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Is Obama pro or anti gun rights?

Is Obama pro or anti gun rights?

  • He is strongly opposed to the rights of gun owners

    Votes: 22 57.9%

  • He is moderately opposed to the rights of gun owners

    Votes: 8 21.1%

  • He is neutral

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • He supports the rights of gun owners

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • Total voters
    38
TurtleDude said:
Some have claimed that because President Obama has not signed any LEGISLATION restricting gun owners' rights, he is not "anti gun". Others have correctly noted that Mr. Obama was never given a CHANCE to sign such laws but his other actions suggest he is militantly opposed to the rights of gun owners

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Most liberal politicians are anti-gun......they are on record repeatedly.
 
MickeyW said:
Most liberal politicians are anti-gun......they are on record repeatedly.
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not all liberls/lefties/progressives/socialists are gun banners but almost every single politician or organization that conspires against our rights as gun owners are left-wingers
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Just wait till Hillary gets in. Obama is a saint when it comes to our rights compared to her. Obama will be just the opening act to the greatest loss of our rights since FDR when she gets in.
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If, she gets in........anything could happen to her before November........................................an indictment for example.

Van Basten said:
He's pro-gun, just not your kind of pro-gun.

Obama isn't trying to snatch all the guns.
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Balderdash...and unsupported!

TurtleDude said:
that's sort of like saying that the person or persons who shot that family in Ohio really didn't hate the family since he/they didn't kill the three infants.

if you want to ban some guns you are virulently anti gun. He's pro gun only in the sense he wants those who protect him to be well armed
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Exactly, because most libs are hypocrites!

Crimefree said:
You have no evidence to support that,
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Ditto.

Crimefree said:
They are both the same as are all gun control advocates. Their desire to remove guns is not based on any logical decision it is based ob fear. Fear cannot be appeased.
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Correct.

Kal'Stang said:
He used examples of what our gun laws should be like. Those examples being the UK and Australia. He is most definitely Anti-Gun Rights.
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Yes indeed.
 
Crimefree said:
Well there is a well thought out rebuttal if ever i saw one. Should by chance you have anything sensible to contribute go right ahead. Do explain what is not insane in removing the best means of defence from the victims of crime.

How would you describe it, because insane seems fitting to me.

What is the purpose of any gun regulation and give a working example that can be shown to work by repetition. Can you do that or do you just propose junk laws
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I was hoping he'd come back and actually engage in further discussions of this topic but apparently that wasn't the case.
 
Van Basten said:
That's a jump if I've seen one.

So, you either allow all guns without restraint or you're anti-gun entirely? I feel like there's a phrase for this, it kind of rhymes with false lobotomy.
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If a law abiding, decent citizen, can be trusted with one type of gun, why not any other?

Korimyr the Rat said:
He's anti-gun, but he's not as anti-liberty as many other Democrats or else he would have tried harder when he had both Houses under Democratic control.

He's only posturing now when he knows he can't do anything about it. It's pure theater.
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Yep.

imyoda said:
Yes........someone did say that................


I must confess it was me...........


and I had documented citations affirming what I said/did ...............


I was not sharing my feelings.........

...but citations where the President acted or said so.........

Now some dismiss the citations as not true because they KNOW its not true...............H


But how sound or convincing is that..........

To take a personal opinion on blind faith as so............


Or it is so because it's commonly repeated rumor.......

Or would you giggle?


Would you take his/her word as fact?
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I.................wouldn't even take your word...........................as fact.

TurtleDude said:
how does the second amendment allow some firearms bans and not others? How can you justify supporting australian (all semi rifles) and English (all handguns) gun bans and pretend someone who does that is not anti gun

the second amendment is properly a ban on government action. and that action is not somehow ok because the guns in question cause liberals to wet themselves over them. anything cops are issued is well within the second amendment concept of arms that citizens can keep and bear
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Agreed!

Van Basten said:
Wait, so you think we should be allowed to have any gun?
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Why not? In for a penny, in for a pound.

TurtleDude said:
any firearm-yes-guns can include 105 mm smoothbore tank guns or 16 inch cannon on battleships

any firearm-yes a firearm being a weapon that is normally hand held firing an inert projectile of limited diameter. can you tell me a firearm honest citizens shouldn't be able to even OWN
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Ok by me...I've been able to shoot a lot of different guns in private hands.......libs don't have any idea, how much fun a guy can have. :lol:

None whatsoever.
 
TurtleDude said:
I was hoping he'd come back and actually engage in further discussions of this topic but apparently that wasn't the case.
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That's the problem with gun control advocates, they are big on rhetoric and very short of facts. They can get out a bucket of crocodile tears but have absolutely no sympathy with the injuries and death of those they disarm. Frighteningly disturbed people.

There is nothing they can contribute since what gun control advocates want is a belief. It has no discussable reason or logic.
 
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MickeyW said:
If, she gets in........anything could happen to her before November........................................an indictment for example.
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If only what you say were true.

Most party people will support their candidate no matter indictment. I think they would support her if she was convicted. Obama would pardon her and she would still be elected. People today do not care about morals. We could care less and even honor presidents that have stood up and out right lied to the people. The better the liar the better the presidents ratings. This is a reflection of the people who support them. Birds of feather.

Look at the popularity of her immigration policy. She stated she would support the millions of people entering our country illegally and reward them with citizenship. What a slap in the face to the millions of law abiding people all over the world waiting patiently to immigrate the right way to our country. Her message to the world is clear. Breaking our laws is the only path to citizenship. Talk about an immigration policy from hell.
 
TurtleDude said:
Some have claimed that because President Obama has not signed any LEGISLATION restricting gun owners' rights, he is not "anti gun". Others have correctly noted that Mr. Obama was never given a CHANCE to sign such laws but his other actions suggest he is militantly opposed to the rights of gun owners

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I would say he falls somewhere in the middle.
Hillary on the other hand comes of as very anti-gun, hence time to get what you need before next year rolls around.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's sort of like saying that the person or persons who shot that family in Ohio really didn't hate the family since he/they didn't kill the three infants.

if you want to ban some guns you are virulently anti gun. He's pro gun only in the sense he wants those who protect him to be well armed
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But that is not how your poll is worded. Just saying.
 
TurtleDude said:
I disagree.
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I knew that. We will just have to agree to disagree on that point. Thing is he is a Done Deal, it is the Next President that needs to be focused on and why bring it up. Bad days are coming again, be ready My Friend.
 
Casper said:
I knew that. We will just have to agree to disagree on that point. Thing is he is a Done Deal, it is the Next President that needs to be focused on and why bring it up. Bad days are coming again, be ready My Friend.
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who knows what will happen. Hillary is scum but I think Bill will remind her what happened in 94, if we are unlucky enough to get that lying bitch as a president
 
Casper said:
I knew that. We will just have to agree to disagree on that point. Thing is he is a Done Deal, it is the Next President that needs to be focused on and why bring it up. Bad days are coming again, be ready My Friend.
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You have a point in that firearm owners are not ready to repulse anything. One could ask the question what would they do if she did get in?

Given the growing support for back grounds checks and registration all that takes is a president wiling to take the chance. The earlier it happens in tenure the better chance of recovery from any possible fall out. People have very short memories and firearm owners are not known for being able to organise political opposition.

In politics the people get what they want. It's a concept firearm owners do not understand.
 
TurtleDude said:
who knows what will happen. Hillary is scum but I think Bill will remind her what happened in 94, if we are unlucky enough to get that lying bitch as a president
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I believe it is almost a given at this point, The Donald Scr*wed the Pooch for the GOP and I cannot envision any why he can actually get elected if Hillary is there in Nov. We can stomp our feet and say please do not let it be so and point to all the pitfalls, that is our prerogative but at the same time face the very possible reality we are facing. Do not know how much influence Bubba actually has over Hillary and if she is President I doubt he will have as much influence as one would assume. She likes that Australian Gun Nonsense so who knows where it may lead, as I said I just suggest being prepared, you know what you need and adding a few lowers and a case or two of various mags could be a very lucrative move.
 
Crimefree said:
You have a point in that firearm owners are not ready to repulse anything. One could ask the question what would they do if she did get in?

Given the growing support for back grounds checks and registration all that takes is a president wiling to take the chance. The earlier it happens in tenure the better chance of recovery from any possible fall out. People have very short memories and firearm owners are not known for being able to organise political opposition.

In politics the people get what they want. It's a concept firearm owners do not understand.
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I agree, it is why I keep repeating that we can hope for the best but at the same time we must prepare for the worst. In the long run I believe anything She may do will get undone, but the damage will have already taken place, think about all the manufactures and other industries that would be devastated by more bans, not good for many Americans.
 
Crimefree said:
That's the problem with gun control advocates, they are big on rhetoric and very short of facts. They can get out a bucket of crocodile tears but have absolutely no sympathy with the injuries and death of those they disarm. Frighteningly disturbed people.

There is nothing they can contribute since what gun control advocates want is a belief. It has no discussable reason or logic.
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Ain't THAT the Truth!!!

PIPEWRENCH said:
If only what you say were true.

Most party people will support their candidate no matter indictment. I think they would support her if she was convicted. Obama would pardon her and she would still be elected. People today do not care about morals. We could care less and even honor presidents that have stood up and out right lied to the people. The better the liar the better the presidents ratings. This is a reflection of the people who support them. Birds of feather.

Look at the popularity of her immigration policy. She stated she would support the millions of people entering our country illegally and reward them with citizenship. What a slap in the face to the millions of law abiding people all over the world waiting patiently to immigrate the right way to our country. Her message to the world is clear. Breaking our laws is the only path to citizenship. Talk about an immigration policy from hell.
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Fully agree.

Casper said:
I would say he falls somewhere in the middle.
Hillary on the other hand comes of as very anti-gun, hence time to get what you need before next year rolls around.
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Done.

TurtleDude said:
who knows what will happen. Hillary is scum but I think Bill will remind her what happened in 94, if we are unlucky enough to get that lying bitch as a president
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Unlucky doesn't even cover it.
 
MickeyW said:
If, she gets in........anything could happen to her before November........................................an indictment for example.
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I don't have faith in the FBI and justice system being impartial in regard to Clinton.There could be a video of her molesting little kids and stomping on the heads of new born puppies and kittens and nothing would still happen to Clinton. No offense but if you think Clinton will get indicted or even found guilty in a court of law then you should stay away from people selling beach front property in Arizona and the deed to the Brooklyn bridge.
 
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TurtleDude said:
not all liberls/lefties/progressives/socialists are gun banners but almost every single politician or organization that conspires against our rights as gun owners are left-wingers
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That's why I didn't say all.
 
Casper said:
I agree, it is why I keep repeating that we can hope for the best but at the same time we must prepare for the worst. In the long run I believe anything She may do will get undone, but the damage will have already taken place, think about all the manufactures and other industries that would be devastated by more bans, not good for many Americans.
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Correct. Manufacturing in the USA sucks now, Hillary could put thousands of people out of work.

Example: The staggering amount of war materiel manufactured in the United States from 1941 to 1945 is a tribute to the efforts of American industry under the most trying conditions.

Today....We don't have the manufacturing capacity. We outsourced everything to Mexico and China. And....we don't even have the raw materials needed.
In a future prolonged real war, we are dead meat.
 
jamesrage said:
I don't have faith in the FBI and justice system being impartial in regard to Clinton.There could be a video of her molesting little kids and stomping on the heads of new born puppies and kittens and nothing would still happen to Clinton. No offense but if you think Clinton will get indicted or even found guilty in a court of law then you should stay away from people selling beach front property in Arizona and the deed to the Brooklyn bridge.
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Oh I agree............it was only one example.
 
Casper said:
I believe it is almost a given at this point, The Donald Scr*wed the Pooch for the GOP and I cannot envision any why he can actually get elected if Hillary is there in Nov. We can stomp our feet and say please do not let it be so and point to all the pitfalls, that is our prerogative but at the same time face the very possible reality we are facing. Do not know how much influence Bubba actually has over Hillary and if she is President I doubt he will have as much influence as one would assume. She likes that Australian Gun Nonsense so who knows where it may lead, as I said I just suggest being prepared, you know what you need and adding a few lowers and a case or two of various mags could be a very lucrative move.
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the best argument for Trump winning-other than keeping the lying bitch out of office is that many liberals and some RINO heads would go the way of the martian's heads at the end of MARS ATTACKS. now that alone would be reason to hope Trump wins (even though I certainly hope he is NOT THE GOP nominee)
 
Casper said:
I believe it is almost a given at this point, The Donald Scr*wed the Pooch for the GOP and I cannot envision any why he can actually get elected if Hillary is there in Nov. We can stomp our feet and say please do not let it be so and point to all the pitfalls, that is our prerogative but at the same time face the very possible reality we are facing. Do not know how much influence Bubba actually has over Hillary and if she is President I doubt he will have as much influence as one would assume. She likes that Australian Gun Nonsense so who knows where it may lead, as I said I just suggest being prepared, you know what you need and adding a few lowers and a case or two of various mags could be a very lucrative move.
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Seems to me firearm owners have the power to elect any president they like. The problem is they have organisations that simply could not be bothered or are to afraid to get involved. That is totally irresponsible of them since each has a mandate to protect the interests of the organisation. It is obviously in the interests of the organisation that no law should capriciously limit membership or potential membership. In fact it is gross dereliction of duty to do so.
 
Casper said:
I agree, it is why I keep repeating that we can hope for the best but at the same time we must prepare for the worst. In the long run I believe anything She may do will get undone, but the damage will have already taken place, think about all the manufactures and other industries that would be devastated by more bans, not good for many Americans.
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Hope has never worked very well :lol:

Firearm owners if organised have the power to dictate terms of any elected official. They are just lead by a bunch of ignorant lazy officials who are to tired to even think. Some like the NRA think they can buy politicians and politicians control the outcome. I'm not sure why such utter stupidity even exists. Possibly a reflection of a school system that is beholden to governments supposed supremacy.
 
Casper said:
I agree, it is why I keep repeating that we can hope for the best but at the same time we must prepare for the worst. In the long run I believe anything She may do will get undone, but the damage will have already taken place, think about all the manufactures and other industries that would be devastated by more bans, not good for many Americans.
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Think about the loss of public safety, freedom and rights. Somewhere somebody has to stand up and represent the public's safety and it sure as hell is not gun control or government. Who is it and who has the most to lose here?
 
TurtleDude said:
Some have claimed that because President Obama has not signed any LEGISLATION restricting gun owners' rights, he is not "anti gun". Others have correctly noted that Mr. Obama was never given a CHANCE to sign such laws but his other actions suggest he is militantly opposed to the rights of gun owners

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As a constitutional scholar and professor, Obama strongly supports the rights granted to individual citizens under the Constitution. He also supports gun control, as most people do.

He has a view of guns that is different from those who are really into it...the ones who wear camo or go to the shooting range every weekend for fun, collect guns, talk about guns, dream about guns, buy their kids guns for their 10th birthday, etc.
 
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