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Captain Adverse · Apr 23, 2016

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Frank Apisa said:
C'mon, man!

We've had two and a half centuries of our Constitution protecting the minority from the whims and caprice of the majority.

Think things through.

Really?

Please explain how it took 65 of those 250 years and a civil war to free the slaves; another 89 years before the law allowed them to be treated equally with Brown v. Board of Education (1954), and another 10 years to ensure their civil rights with the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Kind of whittles down that 250 years of protections a bit doesn't it?

That's not even addressing Native Americans, Women, Asians, or classes of Whites like the Irish.

Right now people are being brainwashed into thinking common citizens do not need to own guns, that guns are a major threat to the safety and security of each and every individual. That if we enact "reasonable and rational" controls this threat would be reduced.

How many times have people heard throughout history "this much and no further," only to find that the line keeps getting redrawn further and further until people find themselves marching into mass graves?

Perhaps it is YOU who should "think things through," and stop lying to yourself and the rest of us?

Frank Apisa · Apr 23, 2016

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Captain Adverse said:
Really?

Please explain how it took 65 of those 250 years and a civil war to free the slaves; another 89 years before the law allowed them to be treated equally with Brown v. Board of Education (1954), and another 10 years to ensure their civil rights with the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Kind of whittles down that 250 years of protections a bit doesn't it?

That's not even addressing Native Americans, Women, Asians, or classes of Whites like the Irish.

Right now people are being brainwashed into thinking common citizens do not need to own guns, that guns are a major threat to the safety and security of each and every individual. That if we enact "reasonable and rational" controls this threat would be reduced.

How many times have people heard throughout history "this much and no further," only to find that the line keeps getting redrawn further and further until people find themselves marching into mass graves?

Perhaps it is YOU who should "think things through," and stop lying to yourself and the rest of us?

I didn't say it works fast...or absolutely reliably, Captain.

But the notion behind much of the Constitution is to protect the minorities from the imposition of majorities.

There is nothing wrong with majority-rules. In fact, that is the way it should be. But the majority cannot be capricious...and arbitrary.

If you have a problem with that...deal with it.

CanadaJohn · Apr 23, 2016

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I think we're all familiar with how arrogant liberal elites can be, particularly those whose only claim to fame and a microphone is their family relationships. That said, I also think it's unlikely that the Republicans will lose both Houses of Congress and more likely that they'll retain both. As such, there is little likelihood of any federal law that restricts gun ownership rights as they exist at this point in time.

It is more likely, in my view, that lower court rulings, if there are any, that pertain to gun ownership rights will be upheld by a Supreme Court, without a deciding voice, not hearing such a case or not coming to a decision.

What this does do, however, is tear down the screen of liberal non-partisanship when it comes to nominations to your Supreme Court. Liberals like to claim they are nominating moderates and those who will uphold the Constitution when what they really plan and intend is to nominate Justices who will do their bidding and get approved policies and "rights" they could never manage to secure democratically.

matchlight · Apr 23, 2016

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haymarket said:
And decisions like Heller will not stand for long. Nobody is going to take anybodys right to keep and bear arms away. So that product of extremist paranoia is simply unfounded

Disingenuous doubletalk. What do you imagine Heller establishes, if not that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right? And do you consider McDonald a decision "like Heller?" If so, what about McDonald's ruling that the right to keep and bear arms is also fundamental?

It is only because the Court found the Second Amendment right IS fundamental that it had a basis for holding that it is incorporated in the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states, according to its long-established rules about doctrine called "substantive due process." See, e.g., Washington v. Glucksberg for a restatement of this rule that only fundamental rights--i.e. ones that are "so deeply rooted in this nation's history and traditions" that the are "essential to a scheme of ordered liberty"--may be incorporated.

Or maybe you would like the new "progressive" Court you hope to get just to ignore longstanding rules like that whenever the hell it feels like it. That's exactly what it did in Obergefell, for example, with the rule about substantive due process and fundamental rights I just mentioned. Maybe you're like Anthony Kennedy, and don't give two hoots in hell about the Constitution or the rule of law, just so long as the result can be rigged to your liking.

Captain Adverse · Apr 23, 2016

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Frank Apisa said:
I didn't say it works fast...or absolutely reliably, Captain.

But the notion behind much of the Constitution is to protect the minorities from the imposition of majorities.

There is nothing wrong with majority-rules. In fact, that is the way it should be. But the majority cannot be capricious...and arbitrary.

If you have a problem with that...deal with it.

I have no problems with majority rule, as long as there are bright line protections which prevent that majority from ever abusing any minority...including the individual.

I do not believe in "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" ideology. I prefer "the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few, or the one."

To me that translates to the rights of an individual outweigh the desires of the many. Therefore, my individual right to self-defense trumps any group desire to feel safe.

yankintx · Apr 23, 2016

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MickeyW said:
While campaigning for her mother recently, Chelsea Clinton admitted that the left is planning to use the Supreme Court to enact greater gun control if a Democrat wins the presidency this fall.
Chelsea Clinton: Now that Scalia's Gone We Can Enact Gun Control (VIDEO)

The left is coming after your guns.
This is not a conspiracy. They’re actually saying it.

Oh Lord

There are more important issue this election cycle than that tired old line. You want to prevent Clinton from gaining the WH I suggest you put your energy into finding a candidate who can defeat her, cause it sure as hell is not Trump.

LaMidRighter · Apr 23, 2016

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shrubnose said:
Could you be trying to prove that you have no class at all?

:lol:

Telling the truth is a very classy thing.

LaMidRighter · Apr 23, 2016

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Dragonfly said:
Jesus Christ....the asinine fear-mongering "they're coming for your/our guns" insanity is just NEVER going to stop is it?

It's mind-blowing how often this crap gets spewed.

There's more guns in the USA than people.

Nobody is going to take your f'n guns.

:roll:

It is coming straight from the mouth of the daughter of a person running for a position to appoint a SCOTUS nominee, that is a pretty solid source.

haymarket · Apr 23, 2016

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matchlight said:
Disingenuous doubletalk. What do you imagine Heller establishes, if not that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right? And do you consider McDonald a decision "like Heller?" If so, what about McDonald's ruling that the right to keep and bear arms is also fundamental?

It is only because the Court found the Second Amendment right IS fundamental that it had a basis for holding that it is incorporated in the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states, according to its long-established rules about doctrine called "substantive due process." See, e.g., Washington v. Glucksberg for a restatement of this rule that only fundamental rights--i.e. ones that are "so deeply rooted in this nation's history and traditions" that the are "essential to a scheme of ordered liberty"--may be incorporated.

Or maybe you would like the new "progressive" Court you hope to get just to ignore longstanding rules like that whenever the hell it feels like it. That's exactly what it did in Obergefell, for example, with the rule about substantive due process and fundamental rights I just mentioned. Maybe you're like Anthony Kennedy, and don't give two hoots in hell about the Constitution or the rule of law, just so long as the result can be rigged to your liking.

I have repeatedly stated that I have no problem with the Court deciding in favor of the winning party in Heller. What I objected to was the invention of a new right that had not been there for the first two centuries of our nation. And even then I could accept the entire "individual right" thing as an evolution of the militia right as the militia waned in actual participation and reality if the Court at the same time also recognized the same corresponding evolution of government regulation of firearms as they developed over time far far beyond anything the Founders could have envisioned. But Scalia played politics and his scope was intentionally limited to reward only his political allies.

But all that will simply be an asterisk in the history books as that decision is not on to stand after the November election gives us a new progressive Court justice to replace Scalia and shifts the balance of voting power on gun cases.

Captain Adverse · Apr 23, 2016

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Dragonfly said:
Jesus Christ....the asinine fear-mongering "they're coming for your/our guns" insanity is just NEVER going to stop is it?

It's mind-blowing how often this crap gets spewed.

There's more guns in the USA than people.

Nobody is going to take your f'n guns.

:roll:

Your post is known as an appeal to common sense (also called a fallacy of disbelief). It is the typical fallacy used to argue in support of gun control.

Yet the facts do not support this "common sense" argument, because what the facts actually show is that every time a "rational restriction" is passed new attempts to move for more restrictions soon follow. All based on the failure of the original restrictions to actually stop any of the harms they were touted as preventing.

The bottom line for "common sense" gun control arguments is that if citizens did not have any access to firearms then there would be no firearm deaths. But the only truth to this is that if firearms did not exist at all, then and only then would there never be another firearm death. Something that will never happen because the genie is already out of that particular bottle.

So the real goal of gun control is to provide restrictions so onerous and costly that very few, if any, common citizens could legally keep and bear arms. This would then empower government forces to do what governments do best...use overwhelming force to oppress and assail those who disagree.

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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Abbazorkzog said:

Spot On!! :thumbs::thumbs:

Captain Adverse said:
And THIS is a major reason why I would never vote for Hillary Clinton.

Ditto!

matchlight said:
Could she be trying to prove she is as stupid as she is homely>

She's been brainwashed by her parents and is a typical liberal dope!

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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shrubnose said:
Could you be trying to prove that you have no class at all?

:lol:

So, are you going to address the OP?

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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lpast said:
If Scotus goes to a liberal majority there will eventually be some gun controls but only pertaining to purchase and maybe gun shows. Its impossible to take guns theres more guns than humans in this country.

More worrisome to me is huge taxes or regulations on ammunition.

And that is why there is a huge buying frenzy going on right now...for guns and ammo. Arm up and ammo up....that's where the smart money is being spent today.

By my educated estimate, there are approximately a 1/2 a billion guns in private hands in the US. +/- 3%

My county alone, is approaching 75% with concealed carry permits...the S.O. is backed up 6 months on appointments.

When I get a confirmed date to give people classes, I tell them to get their appointment scheduled .....immediately.

yankintx · Apr 23, 2016

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Abbazorkzog said:

Nothing like playing to peoples basic fears, not the first time wont be the last

For the majority of Americans the fear of the Dems taking there guns is not on there radar come election time

But a loud mouth, egotistical, big business man who plays on those fears is what the GOP is offering. Perhaps the GOP should fix it's self before fixing America.

Kiss the WH goodbye at least until 2020, the Dems have there issues, that is for sure

But nothing tops the implosion happening within the party of hypocrites

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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yankintx said:
Nothing like playing to peoples basic fears, not the first time wont be the last

For the majority of Americans the fear of the Dems taking there guns is not on there radar come election time

But a loud mouth, egotistical, big business man who plays on those fears is what the GOP is offering. Perhaps the GOP should fix it's self before fixing America.

Kiss the WH goodbye at least until 2020, the Dems have there issues, that is for sure

But nothing tops the implosion happening within the party of hypocrites

And many Americans have much to fear....some realize it and others are too sheeple to know it.

The support for Trump is a castigation of the Republican elite....not Conservative values. I don't know who you are referring to as hypocrites....I'm sure not one and no one that I know, is one.

Frank Apisa · Apr 23, 2016

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Captain Adverse said:
I have no problems with majority rule, as long as there are bright line protections which prevent that majority from ever abusing any minority...including the individual.

I do not believe in "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" ideology. I prefer "the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few, or the one."

To me that translates to the rights of an individual outweigh the desires of the many. Therefore, my individual right to self-defense trumps any group desire to feel safe.

Please continue to feel safe.

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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yankintx said:
Oh Lord

There are more important issue this election cycle than that tired old line. You want to prevent Clinton from gaining the WH I suggest you put your energy into finding a candidate who can defeat her, cause it sure as hell is not Trump.

Trump is it for now...I don't have the power to change it. And anyone who votes for that bitch is a bloody fool! A vote for Hillary is a vote for a Crook and a Liar....just like her husband was.

Frank Apisa · Apr 23, 2016

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MickeyW said:
Trump is it for now...I don't have the power to change it. And anyone who votes for that bitch is a bloody fool! A vote for Hillary is a vote for a Crook and a Liar....just like her husband was.

Can't tell ya how anxious I am to pull that lever over her name, Mickey. I suspect she will make a fine president...and I'm glad she and Bill have a daughter willing to speak her mind the way she is doing.

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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PIPEWRENCH said:
I won't either. Unfortunately this the problem with a democracy. Mob rule. 51% of the people can vote away the rights of the minority or the individual. The constitution was supposed to protect the rights of the people from this.

Under obama, FDR and a few others...it has not fulfilled it's mission.

PIPEWRENCH said:
No. She is proving how stupid We the People are if we let her circumvent our constitution and make a mockery of it.

And letting us all know what her evil mother's intent is......as if smart people didn't already know.

PIPEWRENCH said:
It used to. Our forefathers did not foresee both parties being owned by the rich and powerful. SCOTUS is appointed by the very people who it is supposed to keep from taking away our rights. There can be no better example of the fox watching the hen house. I guess the people deserve to reap what they sow.

Complacency and sheeple, make for the destruction of democracy.

OpportunityCost said:
Apparently you missed the era of the FDR court and how many protections it erased.

It erased many. FDR learned well from Hitler and Stalin and changed America forever.

Dragonfly said:
Jesus Christ....the asinine fear-mongering "they're coming for your/our guns" insanity is just NEVER going to stop is it?

It's mind-blowing how often this crap gets spewed.

There's more guns in the USA than people.

Nobody is going to take your f'n guns.

:roll:

I don't believe that for a minute. If it wasn't for men like Scalia and the NRA and all the other gun groups, the assbite liberals, would have gutted the 2nd Amendment by now. When they finally make the overt attempt to do so, an armed revolt will come... and the government is quietly preparing for that day.

Frank Apisa said:
I did not miss it, OC.

I just don't pay attention to the ravings of conservatives about FDR...who had to take serious action during a time of national emergency...some of which I find abhorrent.

Anyway, Chelsea Clinton is as entitled to her opinions as anyone else in this country. And that is what this thread is about.

Sure she is....and like her mother....they are stupidly evil!

yankintx · Apr 23, 2016

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MickeyW said:
And many Americans have much to fear....some realize it and others are too sheeple to know it.

The support for Trump is a castigation of the Republican elite....not Conservative values. I don't know who you are referring to as hypocrites....I'm sure not one and no one that I know, is one.

Does not change the fact that Trump has as much chance at the WH as I do. Even the RNC know it, the only ones who have denied it are Trump supporters themselves. Independents will insure there is no Pres Trump.

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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haymarket said:
Your view is pretty much correct. When President Clinton appoints a progressive to replace Scalia early next year and they are approved by the new majority Democratic Senate, it sets up a fairly solid 5 to 4 progressive tilt on the Court. And decisions like Heller will not stand for long.

Nobody is going to take anybodys right to keep and bear arms away. So that product of extremist paranoia is simply unfounded.

What we will see is a more common sense and reasonable approach to things like Court approval of Congressional or state action on things like universal checks on all firearms purchases, reasonable limits on what sort of weapons are allowed and which are not allowed, magazine size limits, and possibly a registration program.

A Free man or woman, should not be subjected to any of that crap! And it is ALL CRAP! Not a Damn thing reasonable about it! :no:

-Registration leads to confiscation....it's a Fool's Folly to think otherwise!
-Magazine limits are a total joke...Get Real!
-If a citizen can be trusted to own one type of weapon, it should not matter for any weapon!
-I can buy anything I want on the Free Market, except ready to use explosives....as for Free Men, why should buying a gun from a private party for self defense, be any business of any govt. body?

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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EMNofSeattle said:
The only reason no one is coming for the guns, is because us gun owners are politically organized and willing to protect our rights.

Hillary wants to take away the guns, on record as supporting force confiscation of firearms (by praising England and Australia) she is on record as wanting to allow scores of frivolous lawsuits to be filed against gun makers to bankrupt him, and voted against the law to prevent just that, she is supported by political groups that want to ban regular sporting rifles, restripped concealed and open carry, and require going to owners to carry liability insurance.

And all those laws would have been passed, if gun owners were not worried that someone was coming for our guns.

And *sigh* you want, because you know I'm right

Absolutely correct!

haymarket · Apr 23, 2016

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MickeyW said:
-Registration leads to confiscation....it's a Fool's Folly to think otherwise!

Can you provide the statistics to show us how often that has actually happened?

MickeyW · Apr 23, 2016

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chuckiechan said:
They won't take your guns.

You will have to register them, maybe get a yearly permit and pay a gun tax of a thousand dollars a year. Have your name published in the newspaper in the "Gun Owner Registry", have a waiting period for ammunition, and/or have a back ground check for ammunition.

Have your gun ownership linked to your license place so you can be stopped at will and treated like an armed felon for a "flickering tail light" violation. Insurance companies will be encouraged to rate gun owners higher, since microstamping can be made a federal law so gun owners can be held personally liable for crimes committed with firearms stolen from them.

And in spite of this the thugs, drug dealers, and cartel members will go one about their mayhem with impunity, and the politicians will still go after honest citizens.

But they will "let" you keep your guns.

Remember. The EPA started out regulating pesticides. Now your birdbath is a regulated "Water Pool".

:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud

Henrin said:
That's probably why Obama keeps changing existing law when he doesn't get his way in the legislature. That's probably why the courts just changed the law not that long ago when it comes to marriage. That's probably why the legislature leaves the vast majority of their work to executive agencies. That's probably why executive agencies create regulations without ever involving the legislature. Do you get the feeling that I'm calling your argument full of ****? Yeah, that's because I am.

Correct.....that argument is full of ****!

Frank Apisa said:
Yeah, but you do not know what you are talking about...so I don't mind.

In the meantime, Chelsea Clinton has a right to express herself however she pleases. You ought to acknowledge that.

He knows very well what he is talking about and like her mother...Chelsea is a DIPStick!

Why do you even support these Clintons? Whhhyyyyyyyy? :2sick1:

lpast · Apr 23, 2016

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MickeyW said:
And that is why there is a huge buying frenzy going on right now...for guns and ammo. Arm up and ammo up....that's where the smart money is being spent today.

By my educated estimate, there are approximately a 1/2 a billion guns in private hands in the US. +/- 3%

My county alone, is approaching 75% with concealed carry permits...the S.O. is backed up 6 months on appointments.

When I get a confirmed date to give people classes, I tell them to get their appointment scheduled .....immediately.

Haymarket is correct that what he posted is the best they are going to get

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