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Why is gun control justified?

Necessary is the key word there.
 
The article you provided bears some good points, I was not aware guns were so low on the list of top killers in the US behind drugs, medical errors, car accidents, alcohol abuse, and unintentional falls. Thank you for the insight. However for the record if anyone thinks that we are keeping guns to stop a totalitarian government consider this. We live in the country with the strongest military BY FAR, if the government wanted to it could wipe out half the country with the press of a button; stating that is the reason for keeping guns is delusional and ridiculous. They are pea-shooters compared to the technology and weapons our government has. Consider what we lose instead, at the price of our "comfort".
 
Bobgonzalez said:
The article you provided bears some good points, I was not aware guns were so low on the list of top killers in the US behind drugs, medical errors, car accidents, alcohol abuse, and unintentional falls. Thank you for the insight. However for the record if anyone thinks that we are keeping guns to stop a totalitarian government consider this. We live in the country with the strongest military BY FAR, if the government wanted to it could wipe out half the country with the press of a button; stating that is the reason for keeping guns is delusional and ridiculous. They are pea-shooters compared to the technology and weapons our government has. Consider what we lose instead, at the price of our "comfort".
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what would happen to any politician who caused have the country to be wiped out?
 
TurtleDude said:
what would happen to any politician who caused have the country to be wiped out?
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Some also seem to forget that those in the military are also Americans, it is the same fallacy of claiming the military would fight American citizens that are standing by their Constitutional Rights, they forget who those people in uniform actually are.
 
Casper said:
Some also seem to forget that those in the military are also Americans, it is the same fallacy of claiming the military would fight American citizens that are standing by their Constitutional Rights, they forget who those people in uniform actually are.
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yeah as if some bomber pilot is going to nuke NYC knowing lots of friends and relatives would die.
 
Bobgonzalez said:
The article you provided bears some good points, I was not aware guns were so low on the list of top killers in the US behind drugs, medical errors, car accidents, alcohol abuse, and unintentional falls. Thank you for the insight. However for the record if anyone thinks that we are keeping guns to stop a totalitarian government consider this. We live in the country with the strongest military BY FAR, if the government wanted to it could wipe out half the country with the press of a button; stating that is the reason for keeping guns is delusional and ridiculous. They are pea-shooters compared to the technology and weapons our government has. Consider what we lose instead, at the price of our "comfort".
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Our military would have to be willing to kill their own countrymen and destroy our own towns and cities.... Fat chance. By the time it ever got to that point, gun control is the least of our worries..
 
Bobgonzalez said:
What do we gain by having guns?
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Sport and self defense. We gain more from firearms than other things that are actually non beneficial yet cause more tragedy.
 
"Some also seem to forget that those in the military are also Americans, it is the same fallacy of claiming the military would fight American citizens that are standing by their Constitutional Rights, they forget who those people in uniform actually are."


I don't think it's logically unsound that a soldier would follow an order regardless of what it is, example: the CIVIL WAR. The idea that "an American Soldier would never turn against his own" is the same type of wishful thinking the right accuses the left of having when the left claims "the government will never turn on us therefore we don't need guns", now THAT'S a fallacy.
 
BretJ said:
Our military would have to be willing to kill their own countrymen and destroy our own towns and cities.... Fat chance. By the time it ever got to that point, gun control is the least of our worries..
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That's what I'm saying, the very reason for having gun's is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
 
BretJ said:
Sport and self defense. We gain more from firearms than other things that are actually non beneficial yet cause more tragedy.
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This is true, I see that thanks to one of the articles that was provided on this string, I was only making an argument against the idea that it's for possible government oppression.
 
Bobgonzalez said:
The article you provided bears some good points, I was not aware guns were so low on the list of top killers in the US behind drugs, medical errors, car accidents, alcohol abuse, and unintentional falls. Thank you for the insight. However for the record if anyone thinks that we are keeping guns to stop a totalitarian government consider this. We live in the country with the strongest military BY FAR, if the government wanted to it could wipe out half the country with the press of a button; stating that is the reason for keeping guns is delusional and ridiculous. They are pea-shooters compared to the technology and weapons our government has. Consider what we lose instead, at the price of our "comfort".
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I was in the army and I can assure you very few if any US soldiers would attack the people of this country. Anyone making a ridiculous statement of our military attacking and killing the American people has no clue about our military. Our soldiers have charged head long into machine gun fire watching their fellow soldiers being shot down by the thousands on D-Day to defend this country. To even suggest our brave men and women would follow unlawful orders and kill Americans is ludicrous. If anything they would join up with their countrymen and help overthrow a tyrannical government that issued such unlawful orders.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I was in the army and I can assure you very few if any US soldiers would attack the people of this country. Anyone making a ridiculous statement of our military attacking and killing the American people has no clue about our military. Our soldiers have charged head long into machine gun fire watching their fellow soldiers being shot down by the thousands on D-Day to defend this country. To even suggest our brave men and women would follow unlawful orders and kill Americans is ludicrous. If anything they would join up with their countrymen and help overthrow a tyrannical government that issued such unlawful orders.
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Civil War 1865, not the same military I understand but still entirely possible, no one knows the mindset of the military in the future and the political climate in which it is formed. Even If it were true that you speak for every single one of your hundreds of thousands of comrades they won't be in the military forever; the job of a soldier is to protect their country but if the country is fighting itself who do they protect?
 
Bobgonzalez said:
Civil War 1865, not the same military I understand but still entirely possible, no one knows the mindset of the military in the future and the political climate in which it is formed. Even If it were true that you speak for every single one of your hundreds of thousands of comrades they won't be in the military forever; the job of a soldier is to protect their country but if the country is fighting itself who do they protect?
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well the oath I took and the oath the military takes is to defend the CONSTITUTION. not the government per se.

now maybe some soldiers won't understand that but I suspect most do
 
TurtleDude said:
well the oath I took and the oath the military takes is to defend the CONSTITUTION. not the government per se.

now maybe some soldiers won't understand that but I suspect most do
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Fair point.
 
The point I think is the vast majority will own a firearm for self-defence as a deliberate choice. I don't think anyone can argue over the value of that roll and some 20 studies show the overwhelming success of armed self-defence. The only point of debate is how good it is.

One has to balance that against the induced fear by citizens due to gun controls efforts to popularise fear and hatred of guns and their need to appease that unquenchable fear. Do they have rights to interfere with others self-defence? They claim they do have such rights.

The bigger question is if we value our rights why do we watch gun control erode the public's view of those rights to self-defence with the best means possible? Do we think gun control is justified? Should we support gun control as we can still own guns?
 
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