What Party would benefit the most if the USSC reversed HELLER

disneydude said:

I'm not saying that there are not those on the far left that are in favor of all out bans. Its just not anywhere near the majority and therefore it isn't something that anyone should be overly concerned about. I know that the ultra-2nd Amendment people will say that you ALWAYS have to be overly concerned about everything. To me....that's just paranoia. Nobody is coming after your guns. Relax.

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Actually, while I agree that the average Liberal wants to ban all guns, heck I lean further left than right myself, BUT the problem is we have politicians that believe in pandering to a segment of the base that do want guns to be banned, at least specific guns. I will put it to you this way, IF banning those scary black guns would actually have an impact of gun violence then I might actually consider allowing that to be put in place but the reality is we have tried that and it had no measurable effect on gun violence, so with that data in hand I say no to any further bans. I have always been against registration on principle because the only actual reason for one to be in place is for the government to know who owns guns and which guns they own and the reason behind that is so that they know where to go if they decide to confiscate those guns, no thanks I do not and never will trust the government not to abuse the law. Personally I am satisfied enough with the current laws, at least here in Texas, to say leave them as they are and simply enforce those laws as they are. The problem is not and never has been guns, there are states that have some of the highest gun to person ratio in the Nation and they have less gun violence, the problem is people, especially those with serious mental illnesses and criminals, neither of which care one iota about what the Law says. Get people better educated when it comes to mental illness and find ways to deal with the issue, make belonging to a gang an automatic 5 or 10 prison sentence and throw the book at those that commit crimes using a gun and you make some real differences, passing more gun laws will do nothing to make anyone any safer.

TurtleDude said:

Yes but when the next regulation fails to do anything about crime you have already made the decision to support that next regulation and then the next and the next and the next and so forth

you already have decided that more laws will stop some criminals and that the rights of gun owners is subordinate to your solution to crime

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Nope....that slippery slope analogy is simply a fear tactic by the NRA to keep people afraid that the big bad government is coming after their guns. Its not reality.

TurtleDude said:

generally if they are loyalists like RBG they will vote down the line for the left

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Garland favored over Sri in Reuters article--
He's got a lot of Harvard credentials you like--
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disneydude said:

Nope....that slippery slope analogy is simply a fear tactic by the NRA to keep people afraid that the big bad government is coming after their guns. Its not reality.

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really? so after Democrats in NY passed a ten round limit Cuomo DID NOT TRY TO impose a 7 round limit?

Here's yet another liberal Democrat who wants to limit gun ownership:

TurtleDude said:

really? so after Democrats in NY passed a ten round limit Cuomo DID NOT TRY TO impose a 7 round limit?

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The idea that we should reject reasonable restrictions because they could possibly lead someone to seek stricter restrictions down the road is a silly argument.

disneydude said:

The idea that we should reject reasonable restrictions because they could possibly lead someone to seek stricter restrictions down the road is a silly argument.

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Democrats don't seek REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS. everything necessary to punish criminals has been imposed. Given that the INTENTION of the Democrat Party is to incrementally ban guns I reject your silly claims

TurtleDude said:

Democrats don't seek REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS. everything necessary to punish criminals has been imposed. Given that the INTENTION of the Democrat Party is to incrementally ban guns I reject your silly claims

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Democrats support the same reasonable restrictions by and large that the overwhelming majority of the US citizens support. Sadly though...the politicians are too afraid of the NRA to do anything. Most Democrats I know do not support the bans and major restrictions that most of you guys are afraid of.

disneydude said:

Democrats support the same reasonable restrictions by and large that the overwhelming majority of the US citizens support. Sadly though...the politicians are too afraid of the NRA to do anything. Most Democrats I know do not support the bans and major restrictions that most of you guys are afraid of.

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Yeah I heard that crap after the clinton gun ban and I saw what was done to the Democrats in the 94 election

most voters are low information types who will voice support for the schemes the Democraps try to impose on us gun owners so they can pretend they are doing something about crime. But those slow witted voters don't really understand the issues and rarely understand what the Democraps really want to do. We who do are far more informed and we vote on that issue. Most Democrats you know vote for the democrats who push those restrictions and won't start voting for Republicans merely because Hillary wants to impose Australian styled gun bans on the USA

TurtleDude said:

Yeah I heard that crap after the clinton gun ban and I saw what was done to the Democrats in the 94 election

most voters are low information types who will voice support for the schemes the Democraps try to impose on us gun owners so they can pretend they are doing something about crime. But those slow witted voters don't really understand the issues and rarely understand what the Democraps really want to do. We who do are far more informed and we vote on that issue. Most Democrats you know vote for the democrats who push those restrictions and won't start voting for Republicans merely because Hillary wants to impose Australian styled gun bans on the USA

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Take a deep breath. No one is coming after your guns. Relax.

disneydude said:

Take a deep breath. No one is coming after your guns. Relax.

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You aren't very knowledgeable in this area nor believable. given if you are wrong, you don't lose anything I think I will ignore your claims. I heard people like you saying the same crap in NY when the Democrats started imposing registration and magazine limits. Now gun banning politicians are demanding that guns be seized from the estates of dead people and in CT they are threatening to confiscate guns people already own that they refuse to register

gun bans all over the USA and in places like Australia and England are always accompanied by people like you who deny that such things are coming

TurtleDude said:

You aren't very knowledgeable in this area nor believable. given if you are wrong, you don't lose anything I think I will ignore your claims. I heard people like you saying the same crap in NY when the Democrats started imposing registration and magazine limits. Now gun banning politicians are demanding that guns be seized from the estates of dead people and in CT they are threatening to confiscate guns people already own that they refuse to register

gun bans all over the USA and in places like Australia and England are always accompanied by people like you who deny that such things are coming

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Ignore my claims...its no sweat off my back. I just don't think that living a life of paranoia is generally a good thing. But it works for some. If it works for you...that's cool.

disneydude said:

The idea that we should reject reasonable restrictions because they could possibly lead someone to seek stricter restrictions down the road is a silly argument.

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We already have reasonable restrictions, more will not make any difference, but you know that already, don't you?

disneydude said:

Ignore my claims...its no sweat off my back. I just don't think that living a life of paranoia is generally a good thing. But it works for some. If it works for you...that's cool.

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Isn't adding more restrictions living a life of paranoia, the difference is you want to push your paranoia on the rest of us through more laws.

Casper said:

Isn't adding more restrictions living a life of paranoia, the difference is you want to push your paranoia on the rest of us through more laws.

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If you don't own guns, are afraid of owning guns, don't associate with people who are avid gun owners, one's concept of what are reasonable restrictions is pretty worthless. Its like someone who thinks golf courses are a waste of good homespaces, doesn't know the rules and then saying why would anyone need more than 1 or 2 golf clubs

Casper said:

Isn't adding more restrictions living a life of paranoia, the difference is you want to push your paranoia on the rest of us through more laws.

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LOL....I'm probably the LEAST paranoid person you would ever meet. I live in Los Angeles and never lock my doors....not at night....not when I leave for work. You could call me a lot of names (Some people would say naïve/foolish) but paranoia isn't one of them.

TurtleDude said:

If you don't own guns, are afraid of owning guns, don't associate with people who are avid gun owners, one's concept of what are reasonable restrictions is pretty worthless. Its like someone who thinks golf courses are a waste of good homespaces, doesn't know the rules and then saying why would anyone need more than 1 or 2 golf clubs

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I don't personally own guns but am not afraid of owning guns. I associate with a LOT of people who are avid gun owners for hunting and other recreational uses....so your attempts to try to pidgeonhole people is rather weak. You don't have to own a gun to understand what a reasonable restrictions and what are unreasonable. Many of my friends who own guns support the restrictions that the vast majority of Americans support...other of my friends I would say fall more into your camp.

disneydude said:

LOL....I'm probably the LEAST paranoid person you would ever meet. I live in Los Angeles and never lock my doors....not at night....not when I leave for work. You could call me a lot of names (Some people would say naïve/foolish) but paranoia isn't one of them.

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I used to live in LA, Palos Verdes, and worked in El Segundo, yes you are a D*mn Fool if you are leaving your doors unlocked. Still my statement still stands as true.

disneydude said:

I don't personally own guns but am not afraid of owning guns. I associate with a LOT of people who are avid gun owners for hunting and other recreational uses....so your attempts to try to pidgeonhole people is rather weak. You don't have to own a gun to understand what a reasonable restrictions and what are unreasonable. Many of my friends who own guns support the restrictions that the vast majority of Americans support...other of my friends I would say fall more into your camp.

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what is a reasonable restriction in your view.

and what makes a restriction reasonable and what is the extent to federal regulations given the second amendment?

disneydude said:

I don't personally own guns but am not afraid of owning guns. I associate with a LOT of people who are avid gun owners for hunting and other recreational uses....so your attempts to try to pidgeonhole people is rather weak. You don't have to own a gun to understand what a reasonable restrictions and what are unreasonable. Many of my friends who own guns support the restrictions that the vast majority of Americans support...other of my friends I would say fall more into your camp.

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If you did own a gun, the chances are it would be stolen soon anyway.

TurtleDude said:

what is a reasonable restriction in your view.

and what makes a restriction reasonable and what is the extent to federal regulations given the second amendment?

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We've gone through this before.....

What people fail to recognize is that "Constitutional Rights" are never absolute. Even the most fundamental right can be curtailed if there is a compelling governmental interest involved and the measure is narrowly tailored to address that interest. The Second Amendment itself speaks of a WELL regulated militia not an Unregulated one.

Dittohead not! said:

If you did own a gun, the chances are it would be stolen soon anyway.

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Possibly. I've never locked my doors and have never had an issue.

disneydude said:

Possibly. I've never locked my doors and have never had an issue.

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and now anyone reading this knows you don't lock your doors. Better tell them about Spike, the Doberman.

Casper said:

I used to live in LA, Palos Verdes, and worked in El Segundo, yes you are a D*mn Fool if you are leaving your doors unlocked. Still my statement still stands as true.

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I lived in the Crenshaw District and never locked my doors...so there you go. I don't really have a lot for people to steal. The most they would get would be a DVD player, TV, video game. Its not worth me worrying about.

Dittohead not! said:

and now anyone reading this knows you don't lock your doors. Better tell them about Spike, the Doberman.

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I'm not worried. They wouldn't get much. I do have a German Shepherd though...but I think he would be more likely to lick the person to death than bite them.