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Should gun control supportres pay extra tax

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TaterTots said:
He was in the military? I must have missed that whole point. Now I feel like a douche.
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I did not get the perception that he was in the military, no..

I see his gun rights advocacy as a great service to our country and wish there were many many more people like him.
 
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TaterTots said:
First of all, I respect you for your stance and the competitive shooting. I am really interested, but I think I'm too old to get started. What I'm getting from your post is that you are flat out pro gun and do not believe in anything that can slow down or prevent you from purchasing a gun? I'm hoping I'm flat out wrong. A competitive shooter should know the importance of gun safety and keeping firearms out of the hands of ill individuals. Yet, you still avoided my main question. What did you mean by "innocent until proven guilty?"
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why should someone have to wait if they immediately pass a background check?
 
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TaterTots said:
I guess we're going to get down to brass tax so you can understand my full view on guns/control/reform.
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You have covered a lot of territory and subjects in this post. I will be brief and I would suggest you pick a topic at a time to discuss so it can be discussed in detail.

Background checks should be mandatory for all firearm purchases.
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Unconstitutional. The federal govt can't take states rights away from them by regulating intrastate commerce. It would require more authority by the federal govt than is constitutionally permitted. It would take power formt he state and give it to the fed.

I also believe background checks should be conducted if someone wishes to purchase ammo.
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Over reach that is intended to make it more complicated to buy and sell ammo and wouldn't prevent crime. This would also result in the buyer being charged for a background check every time they wanted to buy a box of ammo.

Also, I see nothing wrong with a waiting period. Especially a 72 hour waiting period for all firearms. This could help to eliminate some poor transactions. For one thing, if someone in a ill state of mind wishes to purchase a firearm the extra time could help to prevent a terrible incident. Maybe that extra amount of time would be enough for someone to help take action. Maybe that extra amount of time could give that person doubt or maybe they would do something stupid..get arrested and no longer be able to purchase a firearm legally.
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It could also prevent a woman that is being stalked by a jilted lover or estranged husband from buying a hand gun to protect herself. This is a bad law passed because of a hypothetical "it could happen"situation.
'No one helped her': NJ woman murdered by ex while awaiting gun permit | Fox News
More Women and Children Killed By The Brady Bill

My view on this is pretty straight forward and nothing to fuss about imo. I do not know one gun owner that would throw a fit over a waiting period and improving background checks.
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Most of the gun owners I know don't agree with this stance at all.

I wouldn't be against a mandatory gun safety class.
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Not constitutional. Again states rights. This is an idea that one would have to attend class to "earn" their 2nd Amendment rights. One could also attempt to apply this to voting or free speech if it were a constitutionally viable proposal. Also this would disenfranchise low income people.

There are a lot of accidents with firearms because people do not learn how to operate one safely.
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This could also be applied to bathing children or swimming pools as there are more fatal accidents in either one of those than accidental deaths from firearms.

I do not support anyone that wants to confiscate, make firearms impossible to purchase for someone in a healthy state of mind, or put a ban on a certain type of firearm.
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Yet you think background checks on ammo is a reasonable proposal.

I do not see the need for a fully automatic weapon, but it is my right to bear arms.
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You can legally own a fully automatic weapon. There have been more people that have choked to death on artichokes (seriously) than have been murdered with a legally owned fully automatic weapon.

That shouldn't be removed from me if I'm in a healthy state of mind.
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At least we agree on something.
 
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TaterTots said:
He was in the military? I must have missed that whole point. Now I feel like a douche.
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Don't feel like a douche. No reason to. It is quite okay to disagree with veterans. People disagree with me all the time, even my wife. I wish I could pull the "I'm a vet" card with her but she would just laugh at me.
 
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TaterTots said:
I'm taking your word that I can link lol. Anyway, we need to get out of the way that mass shootings and accidents are the number 1 cause of deaths involving firearms because that is not true. The truth is that "more than 60 percent of people in this country who die from guns die from suicide." There is even evidence that news of a suicide can lead to more suicides. Suicide is also among the top 5 causes of death in the U.S. With that out of the way, the reason I believe in a substantial waiting period is for 2 reasons.

1. Anyone looking to commit suicide is more likely to pick up a firearm because it's easier. Any other way raises the chances for survival.

2.(this is the main reason) People that have to plan their suicide or if something makes it more difficult can save some lives. Meaning, if they have a firearm available they may just go for it, but if they have to wait for one to become available may improve their chances of survival.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

I do not want firearm confiscated nor do I want it impossible to purchase one if you're in a healthy state of mind. I have friends that own firearms that can deal with a waiting period and more background checks and I've even attended "dinners" with NRA members that can support this. It does not hurt the second amendment. The second amendment is about the right to bare arms not the process to do so.
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I had a cousin who took a trip around the country to visit relatives with his family. He stayed at my folks house for 2 weeks and went around after that visiting other relatives. 1 week after finally getting home his son found him hanging in the garage by a rope. He had gone around visiting relatives to say goodbye. He never let on that he was contemplating suicide the whole time. Another example that I know of personally is this older couple who put their car in the middle of a railroad track of an on coming train. A note was later found showing that it was intentional.

Point of this is to show that if someone is going to commit suicide there are LOTS of ways for them to do so that are just as effective as any gun shot to the head. Indeed, even a gunshot to the head isn't 100% guaranteed to kill ya as there have been survivors of such wounds. So your comment of "Any other way raises the chances for survival." is factually false.

Besides, if someone wants to commit suicide who are you or I to try and stop them? It's their lives. Not ours.
 
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TaterTots said:
If anyone complains about a 3 day wait to have their firearm I'm worried.
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What if someone is being threatened? Cops can only do so much and most of the time its too little too late.
 
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What a stupid thread. Everyone supports gun control.
 
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Crimefree said:
Both side of this debate admit there is no available evidence to support the claim guns cause crime. The research is there for all to see and the best it can claim is we have not found it. It must exist we need to devise new ways of assessing this. That after some 200 years of intense study, probably the most studied subject on this earth.

Erroneous claims are made that there is insufficient data or that methods are incorrect, that will produce this incredibly elusive and invisible proof. Not so much as a hint in direction or event studied has produced a whiff of smoke, a faint but measurable clue or any hope of devising a way of finding this required proof.

Gun laws that are made on demand from people who have nothing to back them other than their own fears or greed is totally unconstitutional and no different to the introduction of slavery on the demands of a group that had no evidence of their claims justifying such laws. Gun control laws are no different. There is no evidence to justify them and the cost to all other is a huge burden all must suffer.

Would it not be logical to TAX the supporters of gun control to pay the full costs of their demands? On what basis is a gun control supporter not responsible for this unnecessary and totally useless waste of TAX. Since it benefits nobody and is present only because of their demand why should they not pay for it?

Simple question on the form

Do you support gun control yes / no

It will not be difficult to apportion the additional tax to them and lying would be a felony. Giving non supporters a tax break which is clearly justified and deserved.

The CDC review.
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.

The National Academy
Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review
Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review | The National Academies Press

The National Academy of Sciences issued a 328-page report based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study. In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns
John R. Lott., Jr. and David B. Mustard
Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

Kleck, Gary. 1991. Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America. Hawthorne, N.Y.:Aldine de Gruyter. Winner of the Michael J. Hindelang Award of the American Society of Criminology.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=159326

Small Arms Survey 2007
Small Arms Survey -*Small Arms Survey 2007

Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime and Violence in America by James D. Wright, Peter H. Rossi, Kathleen Daly
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Gun-Weapons-Violence-America/dp/0202303063
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Interesting to note in the CDC report of 2003 that 76% of violent crimes were NOT committed with firearms.
 
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Crimefree said:
Both side of this debate admit there is no available evidence to support the claim guns cause crime. The research is there for all to see and the best it can claim is we have not found it. It must exist we need to devise new ways of assessing this. That after some 200 years of intense study, probably the most studied subject on this earth.

Erroneous claims are made that there is insufficient data or that methods are incorrect, that will produce this incredibly elusive and invisible proof. Not so much as a hint in direction or event studied has produced a whiff of smoke, a faint but measurable clue or any hope of devising a way of finding this required proof.

Gun laws that are made on demand from people who have nothing to back them other than their own fears or greed is totally unconstitutional and no different to the introduction of slavery on the demands of a group that had no evidence of their claims justifying such laws. Gun control laws are no different. There is no evidence to justify them and the cost to all other is a huge burden all must suffer.

Would it not be logical to TAX the supporters of gun control to pay the full costs of their demands? On what basis is a gun control supporter not responsible for this unnecessary and totally useless waste of TAX. Since it benefits nobody and is present only because of their demand why should they not pay for it?

Simple question on the form

Do you support gun control yes / no

It will not be difficult to apportion the additional tax to them and lying would be a felony. Giving non supporters a tax break which is clearly justified and deserved.

The CDC review.
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.

The National Academy
Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review
Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review | The National Academies Press

The National Academy of Sciences issued a 328-page report based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study. In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns
John R. Lott., Jr. and David B. Mustard
Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

Kleck, Gary. 1991. Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America. Hawthorne, N.Y.:Aldine de Gruyter. Winner of the Michael J. Hindelang Award of the American Society of Criminology.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=159326

Small Arms Survey 2007
Small Arms Survey -*Small Arms Survey 2007

Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime and Violence in America by James D. Wright, Peter H. Rossi, Kathleen Daly
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Gun-Weapons-Violence-America/dp/0202303063
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No. It is not an enough important issue to change the Constitution. We have so many challenges on the table that can destroy our vitality or even existence that I find it relatively frivolouse to worry about gun control at this point.
 
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It rages on just like any other political or special interest want and desire.

Strict gun control is over not going to happen anymore. There are many more guns in america than there are americans. As years pass there are more gun owners than not.

Do guns kill people? no they dont, the people that hold it and aim it and pull the trigger kill. Same, does a knife kill? nope not until someone thrusts it. The point is take the object and the intent is still alive and well and they will find another means.
 
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TaterTots said:
I guess we're going to get down to brass tax so you can understand my full view on guns/control/reform. Background checks should be mandatory for all firearm purchases. I also believe background checks should be conducted if someone wishes to purchase ammo. I still feel as though we could improve background checks. Also, I see nothing wrong with a waiting period. Especially a 72 hour waiting period for all firearms. This could help to eliminate some poor transactions. For one thing, if someone in a ill state of mind wishes to purchase a firearm the extra time could help to prevent a terrible incident. Maybe that extra amount of time would be enough for someone to help take action. Maybe that extra amount of time could give that person doubt or maybe they would do something stupid..get arrested and no longer be able to purchase a firearm legally.

My view on this is pretty straight forward and nothing to fuss about imo. I do not know one gun owner that would throw a fit over a waiting period and improving background checks. I wouldn't be against a mandatory gun safety class. There are a lot of accidents with firearms because people do not learn how to operate one safely. I do not support anyone that wants to confiscate, make firearms impossible to purchase for someone in a healthy state of mind, or put a ban on a certain type of firearm. I do not see the need for a fully automatic weapon, but it is my right to bear arms. That shouldn't be removed from me if I'm in a healthy state of mind.
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You keep missing the point. Actually two points. Your lack of a logical response says you believe gun controls propaganda and have no opinion of your own that is deduced or thought out. Yes I know you believe you do.

Second you know that background checks are a failure if you had taken the trouble to read the references given and information I have given you. Why do you wish to institute a mandatory failure on everyone if you are not suffering from acting on a gun control induced belief? Is that not oppression? Can you give satisfactory expatiation why you wish to act in this strange behaviour of punishing people who have done nothing to deserve your desires and beliefs.

The same goes for mandatory training. Firearms are not complex tools and that has been proven over an over again.

"There are a lot of accidents"????? Did I not give you the figures 500..600 deaths per year. Swimming pools and matches are more dangerous by a long way. Start there if you want to save lives, but you don't and will not. From approximately 300 million guns there are 600 fatal accidents. You do the math maybe that will help you with perspective.

Now we get to examine the fear element of gun control propaganda, machine guns. Oh! My goodness those death dealing things that spray bullets at horrific rates and kill thousands per year..... Two have been use in crime. Note that number 2. There are many thousands in citizens hands. Now I see you think you have the right to that. What do you think the words shall not be infringed mean? We can make you qualify for a firearm and add any qualification we like that sounds good and foolish people think might save a life?

Truly you need to sit back and examine your beliefs. Write the NRA and tell them about the incredibly irresponsible neglectful attitude they have in not educating members at the very least and giving them the fundamental facts of the situation and ability to debunk gun controls lies.

Such stupidity the NRA exhibits is going to see the demise of our rights as citizens are willing to give ever increasing portions away and refuse to object to the creeping cancer of gun control. The only thing that keeps any of our rights in place is citizens willingness to object to INCURSIONS. What is an incursion? Are you helping any?

Sorry I got my soap box out but it is important that firearm owners wake up to what they are now willing to accept and subvert our rights. If we do not stick together to protect our rights heaven help us becasue the NRA will give them away.
 
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lpast said:
It rages on just like any other political or special interest want and desire.
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Not really one has to look at the objectives of gun control and I do not see them stopping because there are a large number of guns. They can be rounded up just like a smaller number. Did you see the people of Louisiana resisting confiscation? Lets see you resist with five grunts with five rifles up your nose.

Strict gun control is over not going to happen anymore. There are many more guns in america than there are americans. As years pass there are more gun owners than not.
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Best you tell gun control that. Mind the laughter does not disappoint you. Is there anyone who actually takes gun control seriously when more than 50% of firearm owners already support some form of incursion of their rights by gun control. Who do you think is going to object and fight if the must? Those firearm owners who have accepted gun control. No country in the world has survived firearm owners willingly turning in their guns because they had irresponsibly stupid cowards for leaders and ACCEPTED gun control as the justified law and forced all their members to OBEY THE useless LAWS they had not objected to. It will come as a surprise to you but nobody fights what they accept.

Do guns kill people? no they dont, the people that hold it and aim it and pull the trigger kill. Same, does a knife kill? nope not until someone thrusts it. The point is take the object and the intent is still alive and well and they will find another means
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Good then why are we trying to appease gun control? Where are the leaders so we can get rid of this gun control stupidity and waste?
 
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joG said:
No. It is not an enough important issue to change the Constitution. We have so many challenges on the table that can destroy our vitality or even existence that I find it relatively frivolouse to worry about gun control at this point.
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Did it not occur to you that gun control is the key to making the other problems go away, government can now do as it likes.
 
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TaterTots said:
First of all, I respect you for your stance and the competitive shooting. I am really interested, but I think I'm too old to get started. What I'm getting from your post is that you are flat out pro gun and do not believe in anything that can slow down or prevent you from purchasing a gun? I'm hoping I'm flat out wrong. A competitive shooter should know the importance of gun safety and keeping firearms out of the hands of ill individuals. Yet, you still avoided my main question. What did you mean by "innocent until proven guilty?"
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Would you object to somebody buying a potato?

Potato's kill as many as guns do, perhaps more. Potato's make as many people commit crime as guns do.
 
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Crimefree said:
Not really one has to look at the objectives of gun control and I do not see them stopping because there are a large number of guns. They can be rounded up just like a smaller number. Did you see the people of Louisiana resisting confiscation? Lets see you resist with five grunts with five rifles up your nose.



Best you tell gun control that. Mind the laughter does not disappoint you. Is there anyone who actually takes gun control seriously when more than 50% of firearm owners already support some form of incursion of their rights by gun control. Who do you think is going to object and fight if the must? Those firearm owners who have accepted gun control. No country in the world has survived firearm owners willingly turning in their guns because they had irresponsibly stupid cowards for leaders and ACCEPTED gun control as the justified law and forced all their members to OBEY THE useless LAWS they had not objected to. It will come as a surprise to you but nobody fights what they accept.



Good then why are we trying to appease gun control? Where are the leaders so we can get rid of this gun control stupidity and waste?
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There will be no large gun control measures passed and you can trust one thing, the govt would be unable to confiscate guns enmasse. That would cause a civil war and they know it.

You can rant and rave but theres a whole lot of people on the other side of this issue that you are neglecting to acknowledge.

BTW I am a gun owner and I am for some additional gun controls. Like stopping the free sale of guns at gun shows between non dealers. Thats how many guns wind up being used by nefarious individual. Once the gun is sold no one knows where it goes or who owns it thats how many miscreants buy guns down south to be taken up north. Its just like when the cigarette runners used to go down south buy cigarettes legally and sell them up north for a considerable profit. Same is being done with guns. I personally refuse to sell a gun to anyone I do not know personally long enough to make judgement as to their character or a person that shows me a legitimate Concealed Carry License and their drivers license. They have been vetted already
 
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TaterTots said:
I'm taking your word that I can link lol. Anyway, we need to get out of the way that mass shootings and accidents are the number 1 cause of deaths involving firearms because that is not true. The truth is that "more than 60 percent of people in this country who die from guns die from suicide." There is even evidence that news of a suicide can lead to more suicides. Suicide is also among the top 5 causes of death in the U.S. With that out of the way, the reason I believe in a substantial waiting period is for 2 reasons.
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OK lets play with facts

1. Anyone looking to commit suicide is more likely to pick up a firearm because it's easier. Any other way raises the chances for survival.
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Having been there and owning firearms yes it does make it easier but sitting in any house room I can spot at least six ways to commit suicide. Most would not be as quick and easy but believe me that does not matter. The claim that becasue it is popular is discounted by the example of Japan were even swords and such are not allowed. It's no problem to drive your car at speed into a wall. People who want to survive will pick a slower way hoping somebody will "rescue" them in time. If not that is their choice.
2.(this is the main reason) People that have to plan their suicide or if something makes it more difficult can save some lives. Meaning, if they have a firearm available they may just go for it, but if they have to wait for one to become available may improve their chances of survival.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html
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Did you consider that a high suicide rate points to other problems that are better addressed than trying to be a gun control supporter? If you want to save lives I can point you in the direction where many thousands could be saved. Crime and psychological problems are a sign of a sick society. Who is responsible for this? Guns or something else? Why are we chasing guns and not the something else?

I do not want firearm confiscated nor do I want it impossible to purchase one if you're in a healthy state of mind. I have friends that own firearms that can deal with a waiting period and more background checks and I've even attended "dinners" with NRA members that can support this. It does not hurt the second amendment. The second amendment is about the right to bare arms not the process to do so.
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Is a six month wait OK? Is a qualification exam that lasts one hour OK. Is a licence fee OK. Is registration OK. Is re-registration OK. Is limitation OK. Is a psychological check up OK. Is a health check up OK. Is compulsory safe storage OK. are gun free zones OK. are background checks OK and who does not qualify?

I beg your pardon, go look up the word infringe. Placing any impediment, qualification or obstetrical in the path is an INFRINGEMENT of that right. It's not there because it sounds good. It's there because infringements are the slippery slope to removal and denial of the right. You want to help destroy the right, no problem just accept infringements and believe government appointed courts and judges when they say it constitutional. The NRA will tell you is the law obey it. Incremental destruction and removal. White anting. Piece by piece, bit by bit it will go.
 
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This entire premise of taxing people who advocate gun control laws is merely a right wing effort to kill discussion about a subject they are obsessed and fixated with out of all proportion to reality.

The radical gun lobby supporters exposes their evil intent in proposing such insults to the American people.
 
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Crimefree said:
Did it not occur to you that gun control is the key to making the other problems go away, government can now do as it likes.
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Which other problems?
 
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TaterTots said:
The majority of your post doesn't even make sense until the end. "Why should anyone that owns guns have to wait?" How about because you may have committed a crime, been incarcerated, or have developed suicidal tendencies since your last purchase(you may have sold your last firearm). Lets get something straight. When I spoke of a waiting period that involves a background check every single time you purchase a firearm.
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This is what is known as an emotional response. In other words you are trying to instil the feelings you feel in others who read this so they can understand you. In this case that feeling is fear. It has no place in legislation because it may or may not even be reality or factual.

Criminals are incarcerated when released they have served their sentence and punishment. If they cannot be trusted with their rights government has no business releasing them back into society as citizens. Making idiotic laws for people who by definition break the law must be the height of stupidity. They inconvenience not one past or would be criminal with intent, only those who try to be law abiding. Great encouragement for their effort.

Can you equate guns do not cause crime with your beliefs? What are you so afraid of that guns will drive people nuts?

What will a background check do. I keep asking and get no reply. Do you have a crystal ball that functions? Does government have one? Does gun control? How can you predict with any degree of certainty what somebody will do in the future?
 
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haymarket said:
This entire premise of taxing people who advocate gun control laws is merely a right wing effort to kill discussion about a subject they are obsessed and fixated with out of all proportion to reality.

The radical gun lobby supporters exposes their evil intent in proposing such insults to the American people.
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Projection Haymarket firearm owners are quite content to be left alone. It is gun control that come along with derogatory remarks slogans and stereotypes.
 
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lpast said:
There will be no large gun control measures passed and you can trust one thing, the govt would be unable to confiscate guns enmasse. That would cause a civil war and they know it.
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The world in not quite like you see it and refuse to acknowledge. Louisiana was simply proof it can be done so no matter what you say or claim it is entirely possible. Nobody rushed to the rescue of any one of those deprived. It has not been the only confiscation see California for another. Why on earth would this be done enmasse? Give one good reason why government would be so utterly stupid?


You can rant and rave but theres a whole lot of people on the other side of this issue that you are neglecting to acknowledge.
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Yes the foolish within that give away our rights.

BTW I am a gun owner and I am for some additional gun controls. Like stopping the free sale of guns at gun shows between non dealers. Thats how many guns wind up being used by nefarious individual. Once the gun is sold no one knows where it goes or who owns it thats how many miscreants buy guns down south to be taken up north. Its just like when the cigarette runners used to go down south buy cigarettes legally and sell them up north for a considerable profit. Same is being done with guns. I personally refuse to sell a gun to anyone I do not know personally long enough to make judgement as to their character or a person that shows me a legitimate Concealed Carry License and their drivers license. They have been vetted already
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You naturally know that guns do not cause crime but here you are expounding the theory they do and we need to do something about it. You of course will not see that which means you are unwilling to examine evidence that shows your BELIEFS to be wrong. Why do you think emotions now rule you instead of common sense?

You can sell you own stuff to who you choose but it does not apply to others.

Question is should you pay tax for this belief you want to force on others
 
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lpast said:
There will be no large gun control measures passed and you can trust one thing, the govt would be unable to confiscate guns enmasse. That would cause a civil war and they know it.

You can rant and rave but theres a whole lot of people on the other side of this issue that you are neglecting to acknowledge.

BTW I am a gun owner and I am for some additional gun controls. Like stopping the free sale of guns at gun shows between non dealers. Thats how many guns wind up being used by nefarious individual. Once the gun is sold no one knows where it goes or who owns it thats how many miscreants buy guns down south to be taken up north. Its just like when the cigarette runners used to go down south buy cigarettes legally and sell them up north for a considerable profit. Same is being done with guns. I personally refuse to sell a gun to anyone I do not know personally long enough to make judgement as to their character or a person that shows me a legitimate Concealed Carry License and their drivers license. They have been vetted already
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actually few criminals go to gun shows to buy from private individuals. Less than 2% of criminals get their guns that way and that does not even specify if that is after a straw sale or the criminal actually buying a gun face to face with a private seller. WHY? Have you been to a gun show? its full of cops, FBI etc
 
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Crimefree said:
Projection Haymarket firearm owners are quite content to be left alone. It is gun control that come along with derogatory remarks slogans and stereotypes.
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Then they need their own independent island.

Your proposal is a cheap and tyrannical attempt to silence people who disagree with your own obsession with guns. Period.
 
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joG said:
Which other problems?
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Let me remind you

No. It is not an enough important issue to change the Constitution. We have so many challenges on the table that can destroy our vitality or even existence that I find it relatively frivolouse to worry about gun control at this point.
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The point is that even the founding fathers told the people this 2A is the cornerstone that will hold government in check. How much of it are you willing to give away?

Is being willing to give away the peoples rights something you should be taxed on?
 
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