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Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background check

TurtleDude

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Guns: FBI Indefinitely Halts Background Check Appeals : News : Headlines & Global News

so if you are denied because you were ONCE arrested for a felony but the charges were dismissed or you were acquitted, yet you are denied a legal gun purchase, you have your rights extinguished without any due process avenue to explore.

I suspect many of the gun banners are happy with this current state of affairs but it does show that the claim that "background checks" don't hurt anyone who is a law abiding citizen is a complete crap
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

TurtleDude said:
Guns: FBI Indefinitely Halts Background Check Appeals : News : Headlines & Global News

so if you are denied because you were ONCE arrested for a felony but the charges were dismissed or you were acquitted, yet you are denied a legal gun purchase, you have your rights extinguished without any due process avenue to explore.

I suspect many of the gun banners are happy with this current state of affairs but it does show that the claim that "background checks" don't hurt anyone who is a law abiding citizen is a complete crap
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I don't understand why we can't just have a database of convicted felons, adjudicated incompetents, etc. and simply run and instant check through that. Insofar as the law doesn't allow discretion, I don't see why a computer can't handle it.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Paleocon said:
I don't understand why we can't just have a database of convicted felons, adjudicated incompetents, etc. and simply run and instant check through that. Insofar as the law doesn't allow discretion, I don't see why a computer can't handle it.
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I am sure the technology exists but this isn't an area of my expertise
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

TurtleDude said:
Guns: FBI Indefinitely Halts Background Check Appeals : News : Headlines & Global News

so if you are denied because you were ONCE arrested for a felony but the charges were dismissed or you were acquitted, yet you are denied a legal gun purchase, you have your rights extinguished without any due process avenue to explore.

I suspect many of the gun banners are happy with this current state of affairs but it does show that the claim that "background checks" don't hurt anyone who is a law abiding citizen is a complete crap
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The background check appeals have been put on hold while the FBI tries to catch up with the incoming flood of new background checks.

No one is being denied due process....but hey, don't let that stop you from getting your panties in a wad.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
The background check appeals have been put on hold while the FBI tries to catch up with the incoming flood of new background checks.

No one is being denied due process....but hey, don't let that stop you from getting your panties in a wad.
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a right delayed is a right denied

I guess you are unable to comprehend that if you are denied, there is no avenue for being able to appeal that denial and thus you are banned from buying that gun for how long-no one knows

but lets stop pretending your motivations are anything other than you wanting as many people (especially conservative men) from being able to buy guns
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

TurtleDude said:
a right delayed is a right denied
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Bumper sticker philosophy.

I guess you are unable to comprehend that if you are denied, there is no avenue for being able to appeal that denial and thus you are banned from buying that gun for how long-no one knows

but lets stop pretending your motivations are anything other than you wanting as many people (especially conservative men) from being able to buy guns
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I guess you didn't read the article. It said the appeals process was put on hold due to the overwhelming number of gun purchases. It's not worth throwing a tantrum over.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
The background check appeals have been put on hold while the FBI tries to catch up with the incoming flood of new background checks.

No one is being denied due process....but hey, don't let that stop you from getting your panties in a wad.
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Really? Let's say that you went to city hall to get a marriage license and they told you that the processing system was backlogged and you may not be able to get your marriage license until whenever the heck they get around to it. Would you still feel like no right is being infringed?
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
Bumper sticker philosophy.

I guess you didn't read the article. It said the appeals process was put on hold due to the overwhelming number of gun purchases. It's not worth throwing a tantrum over.
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given you don't want people owning guns, putting the right to buy a gun on hold means nothing to you

I wonder how you'd feel if say abortion or gay marriage was put on hold for some bureaucratic reason
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

The government's inability to process appeals to their rulings in a timely manner is not sufficient reason to deny an established right...namely, to keep and bear arms.

Heck, the government is violating the 2nd Amendment by even requiring a background check.

I suspect this is the latest, sneaky tactic dreamed up by the Obama administration.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Lutherf said:
Really? Let's say that you went to city hall to get a marriage license and they told you that the processing system was backlogged and you may not be able to get your marriage license until whenever the heck they get around to it. Would you still feel like no right is being infringed?
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I'd say, Vegas here we come.

Your hypothetical is invalid comparison. Try arguing the facts for a change.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

TurtleDude said:
given you don't want people owning guns, putting the right to buy a gun on hold means nothing to you

I wonder how you'd feel if say abortion or gay marriage was put on hold for some bureaucratic reason
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I didn't say I didn't want people to own guns...you did.

I wonder how you'd feel if it was your son that got shot in the chest over a puppy.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
I didn't say I didn't want people to own guns...you did.

I wonder how you'd feel if it was your son that got shot in the chest over a puppy.
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you say it constantly. You just aren't willing to state it directly.

what a stupid comment

I wonder how you'd feel if someone broke into your home and did to you what was done to those two sisters, and their mother in Connecticut where all three were raped and then burned to death

They didn't have a gun to fight back
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
I'd say, Vegas here we come.

Your hypothetical is invalid comparison. Try arguing the facts for a change.
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Vegas wouldn't work. It's a federal background check you needed and you got denied because something in the system is wrong. You can't go to Vegas to get it fixed and if you try to go about just getting married anyway it's a felony. You are the one who brought up "no due process is being denied" and now you don't even want to discuss it.


Typical.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Paleocon said:
I don't understand why we can't just have a database of convicted felons, adjudicated incompetents, etc. and simply run and instant check through that. Insofar as the law doesn't allow discretion, I don't see why a computer can't handle it.
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Because the database is running the list of convictions and mental and competencies against the name and information provided by the buyer, if a buyer has a similar name or date of birth to somebody who was convicted the system will flag them not knowing the difference. On occasion people who have security clearances with federal agencies will often find themselves delayed because when the information is entered The background check system will request more information on who is requesting the background of somebody holding a security Clarence
 
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Lutherf said:
Vegas wouldn't work. It's a federal background check you needed and you got denied because something in the system is wrong. You can't go to Vegas to get it fixed and if you try to go about just getting married anyway it's a felony. You are the one who brought up "no due process is being denied" and now you don't even want to discuss it.


Typical.
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No, I didn't bring it up...TD did. Anyway, your hypothetical is full of holes and I'm not buying it, sorry.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Lutherf said:
Really? Let's say that you went to city hall to get a marriage license and they told you that the processing system was backlogged and you may not be able to get your marriage license until whenever the heck they get around to it. Would you still feel like no right is being infringed?
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Uh, Kim Davis was doing that in Kentucky, and things were put on hold for while, so what's your beef? Do you need to go out and shoot a new gun NOW?
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Paleocon said:
I don't understand why we can't just have a database of convicted felons, adjudicated incompetents, etc. and simply run and instant check through that. Insofar as the law doesn't allow discretion, I don't see why a computer can't handle it.
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We kind of do that why its called the NICS however there will always be human error and thats what they investigators are doing be researching discrepancies.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

EMNofSeattle said:
Because the database is running the list of convictions and mental and competencies against the name and information provided by the buyer, if a buyer has a similar name or date of birth to somebody who was convicted the system will flag them not knowing the difference. On occasion people who have security clearances with federal agencies will often find themselves delayed because when the information is entered The background check system will request more information on who is requesting the background of somebody holding a security Clarence
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Check by SSN. Totally unique.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

jet57 said:
Uh, Kim Davis was doing that in Kentucky, and things were put on hold for while, so what's your beef? Do you need to go out and shoot a new gun NOW?
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Whether I need a gun right now is immaterial. If I can afford one and the store is open I should be able to buy one. If the reason I can't buy one is because the government imposed restrictions and then is unwilling or unable to allow an appeal process to people who believe that they are being improperly subjected to those restrictions the effect is the same as if the right didn't even exist.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Paleocon said:
I don't understand why we can't just have a database of convicted felons, adjudicated incompetents, etc. and simply run and instant check through that. Insofar as the law doesn't allow discretion, I don't see why a computer can't handle it.
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Agencies would have to communicate to do that.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
The background check appeals have been put on hold while the FBI tries to catch up with the incoming flood of new background checks.

No one is being denied due process....but hey, don't let that stop you from getting your panties in a wad.
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The FBI is swamped with people gloriously and happily :)2dance::sword::2dancing:) celebrating their 2nd Amendment rights and investigating emails. All that money, 150 agents on one investigation, resulting in denying people of their due process because of one person's screw up.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
I didn't say I didn't want people to own guns...you did.

I wonder how you'd feel if it was your son that got shot in the chest over a puppy.
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Kind of an idiotic post. Puppies, shot in chest and FBI background checks. No link between those subjects except a comment to cover for the first nonsense comment.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Moot said:
I'd say, Vegas here we come.

Your hypothetical is invalid comparison. Try arguing the facts for a change.
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It's funny you guys bring up facts when the fact is that many liberals have a hissy fit when the right to vote or marriage is in some way infringed upon (like say... voting ID requirements even though something as tiny as a permit or a passport can satiate the requirements) but when it comes to the right to bear arms you guys go above and beyond to infringe the living **** out of it.
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

Lutherf said:
Whether I need a gun right now is immaterial. If I can afford one and the store is open I should be able to buy one. If the reason I can't buy one is because the government imposed restrictions and then is unwilling or unable to allow an appeal process to people who believe that they are being improperly subjected to those restrictions the effect is the same as if the right didn't even exist.
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If the store is closed, are you being deprived of your right?
 
Re: Another reason why INTRA-STATE private sales should not require a background chec

TurtleDude said:
you say it constantly. You just aren't willing to state it directly.

what a stupid comment

I wonder how you'd feel if someone broke into your home and did to you what was done to those two sisters, and their mother in Connecticut where all three were raped and then burned to death

They didn't have a gun to fight back
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I like how Moot has decided to ignore this post. Concession accepted my reptilian friend?
 
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