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Gun dealer gets 2 ½ years for selling weapons to felon

stonewall50 said:
Sarcasm?
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No. When you paid your debt to society your rights should be returned in full. I also see no merit in arresting someone for selling a gun. I'm sorry, but I just don't.
 
Henrin said:
No. When you paid your debt to society your rights should be returned in full. I also see no merit in arresting someone for selling a gun. I'm sorry, but I just don't.
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Part of being convicted of a felony is losing some of your rights as a citizen of the United States. One of those is the right to keep and bear arms. You can argue that it's not fair, that felons should be able to have the same rights as everyone else once they're released, but that's not how it is.


Personally, I think if the felony is a white collar crime, it's not right to take the person's right to bear arms. On the other hand, if it's a violent felony, he's already proven himself to be someone we don't want with a weapon of any sort.

Just IMO.
 
TurtleDude said:
I cannot tell you how many LEOs have said to me when we were discussing a case

"We only catch the dumb ones"
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How many criminals that commit assault or kill people aren't dumb? It seems to me that smart criminals don't use guns for their crimes, and might even have well paying legal income.
 
Let's say a guy is convicted of a felony, let's say child molesting. Goes to jail, pays his debt to society. Then he wants to get a job at the local daycare. Uh, no. Right? I suppose white collar, nonviolent crimes might be an acceptable exception, but still at some point that person made such a poor decision American law convicted him of a major crime against society. I dont know he should have a firearm.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Part of being convicted of a felony is losing some of your rights as a citizen of the United States. One of those is the right to keep and bear arms. You can argue that it's not fair, that felons should be able to have the same rights as everyone else once they're released, but that's not how it is.


Personally, I think if the felony is a white collar crime, it's not right to take the person's right to bear arms. On the other hand, if it's a violent felony, he's already proven himself to be someone we don't want with a weapon of any sort.

Just IMO.
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This is one of the few things I will agree with you on.
 
Lord of Planar said:
And...

Since it was an illegal sale, I wonder how many gun control advocates think this guy would have followed more new laws?
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Well, then it would have been twice as illegal I guess. Dude, I really don't get the logic they use.
 
mak2 said:
Let's say a guy is convicted of a felony, let's say child molesting. Goes to jail, pays his debt to society. Then he wants to get a job at the local daycare. Uh, no. Right? I suppose white collar, nonviolent crimes might be an acceptable exception, but still at some point that person made such a poor decision American law convicted him of a major crime against society. I dont know he should have a firearm.
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There is a process that a felon can get their right to possess a firearm restored. It is a long process and BATF doesn't give those applications much attention, if any.
 
NonoBadDog said:
There is a process that a felon can get their right to possess a firearm restored. It is a long process and BATF doesn't give those applications much attention, if any.
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Currently, your best two shots are presidential pardon or full clemency including restoration of all rights including that of the right to vote. The BATF reserves the right to process a rights restoration but they always claim to be insufficiently staffed to process the paperwork(bull**** flags thrown but not observed of course).
 
LaMidRighter said:
Currently, your best two shots are presidential pardon or full clemency including restoration of all rights including that of the right to vote. The BATF reserves the right to process a rights restoration but they always claim to be insufficiently staffed to process the paperwork(bull**** flags thrown but not observed of course).
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Yeah, would be easier to raise the Titanic.
 
DDD said:
Good news,

Now, the more gun dealers that sell guns to criminals are arrested the better. If we could add brain scans there so as to check impulsive murderous brains and stop them from purchasing legal guns too (and thus prevent them from killing and abusing the 2A right by offending rather than defending) then the USA would be way better off.
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I agree. Eric Holder and minions should be arrested for operation Fast & Furious.

Make that Obama and his minions since he's covered up the information via executive privilege.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065550572 said:
I agree. Eric Holder and minions should be arrested for operation Fast & Furious.

Make that Obama and his minions since he's covered up the information via executive privilege.
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He didn't do a very good job of it, since everyone now knows about it. Nixon did a better job of covering up the Watergate break in.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I am saying that it isn't status quo for dealers to sell guns to felons. I quoted BATF stating that. If you disagree with it offer something to refute it. I think you are confused.

Your post claimed that I claimed that "people are caught all the time selling to felons and not charged."


I never claimed that. I am asking you where did I claim that? I never said people are caught all the time selling to felons and are not charged.
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I'll ask you again, what are claiming to NOW be status quo. Give up sweetie.
 
LaylaWindu said:
I'll ask you again, what are claiming to NOW be status quo. Give up sweetie.
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I already told you. It isn't my fault you can't comprehend the post. Maybe some reading classes?
 
NonoBadDog said:
I already told you. It isn't my fault you can't comprehend the post. Maybe some reading classes?
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And that back pedal and lie you are claiming now didn't work, hence why I had to ask the question like 5+ times. You're strawman remains stagnant and still failed.
 
LaylaWindu said:
And that back pedal and lie you are claiming now didn't work, hence why I had to ask the question like 5+ times. You're strawman remains stagnant and still failed.
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I gave you the answer. Your comprehension problem, not mine.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I gave you the answer. Your comprehension problem, not mine.
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I have no problem the reality is your straw man was exposed and you still can't back up your claim. I'm fine with that.
 
LaylaWindu said:
I have no problem the reality is your straw man was exposed and you still can't back up your claim. I'm fine with that.
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LOL I looked back at the thread and realized that you got yourself wound around the wrong way and stated the opposite of your contention. LOL, this is funny.
I stated that it isn't status quo that gun dealers violate the law. You then ask me to prove exactly the opposite stand of my original premise.
LaylaWindu said:
Where does it say people are caught all the time selling to felons and not charged and where are those figures? There's nothing to refute because you haven't provided any relevant data that makes it status quo. Do you have any?
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I never said people get caught all the time selling guns to felons. I don't need to provide proof of the exact opposite of my premise. Either you can't understand the post or you are lying and are trying to get yourself out of a crack. I think ti is the latter.
 
NonoBadDog said:
LOL I looked back at the thread and realized that you got yourself wound around the wrong way and stated the opposite of your contention. LOL, this is funny.
I stated that it isn't status quo that gun dealers violate the law. You then ask me to prove exactly the opposite stand of my original premise.

I never said people get caught all the time selling guns to felons. I don't need to provide proof of the exact opposite of my premise. Either you can't understand the post or you are lying and are trying to get yourself out of a crack. I think ti is the latter.
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When you can provided anything to support you OP let me know, thanks hun.
 
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