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Souuld people who sell guns onlin like craigslist be immediately arrested? [W:16]

PIPEWRENCH said:
I completely understand all the red tape and nonsense. Everyone in my family lives in a different state. If my brother lived in PA where I live I can sell him my shotgun I no longer use. Unfortunately he lives in anther state so it is illegal. Can anything be more ridiculous. I thought we were one country. All this red tape doesn't save lives. It only makes criminals out of law abiding citizens who are fed up with the government restricting our rights.

I served in the military and am proud of my country but I am disgusted with my government.
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The best part of it all is that not only are these laws in violation of the second amendment, but the commerce clause does not apply to commerce between citizens.
 
Soho gator said:
Isn't it time to crack down on renegade gun nutters?
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why should they? people are allowed to sell personal items all they want.
there are already federal laws regarding gun sales and each state already
has it's own laws.

the only renegade gun nutters are people that are trying to take guns from law abiding citizens.
 
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ThaiBoxer said:
People shouldn't be able to do private sales. They should only be able to sell guns to a licensed dealer.
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Do you think that should be decided by the state the transaction is completed in?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Yeah........ and get 1/2 the value of the gun.
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That is the only thing our government is great at. Figuring out ways to turn our rights into government granted permission and lining their pockets or their minions pockets in the process.
 
Soho gator said:
Isn't it time to crack down on renegade gun nutters?
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Nope.Individuals should be able to sell their guns using newspaper ads, magazines, craigslist or whatever. Just because you hate a right enshrined in the Constitution does not mean you should be able to prevent people from helping others engage in exercising their enshrined constitutional rights. The fact that you would describe someone who is selling their property and helping others be able to exercise their 2nd amendment amendments as renegade gun nutters shows your contempt for the 2nd amendment.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Do you think that should be decided by the state the transaction is completed in?
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I don't think people should have guns at all, but until that happens there should at least be some kind of authority for sales. We don't need people swapping them back and forth with each other.
 
ThaiBoxer said:
I don't think people should have guns at all, but until that happens there should at least be some kind of authority for sales. We don't need people swapping them back and forth with each other.
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You are really a special case.

There already is plenty of authority.

Why not go look at the current federal and state gun laws before you go displaying your ignorance.
 
ThaiBoxer said:
I don't think people should have guns at all, but until that happens there should at least be some kind of authority for sales. We don't need people swapping them back and forth with each other.
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You didn't answer my question. I will ask it again. If you don't understand it let me know and I will simplify it so that you can understand it.
Do you think that should be decided by the state the transaction is completed in?
I will simplify it anyway.

Do you think that the decision about laws concerning gun sales should be up to the states?
Do you think the states should be the authority to decide what the laws concerning sales should be?
Should the states be the authority to create and enforce laws concerning gun sales?

I am expecting you to give me a non answer so I decided to preemptively ask the same question several different ways.
 
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TurtleDude said:
true but Soho Gator opposes legal gun ownership and wants to do everything possible to prevent lawful citizens from owning firearms
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Slander! I just want reasonable regulations much like we have wrt tobacco and sudafed and automobiles
 
Soho gator said:
Slander! I just want reasonable regulations much like we have wrt tobacco and sudafed and automobiles
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your concept of reasonable regulations is laughably extreme. The 50 round limit destroyed any chance of your proposals being seen as anything other than far left lunacy by those of us who actually understand this issue
 
TurtleDude said:
your concept of reasonable regulations is laughably extreme. The 50 round limit destroyed any chance of your proposals being seen as anything other than far left lunacy by those of us who actually understand this issue
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Why are you anti semetic/Israel?
 
Soho gator said:
Why are you anti semetic/Israel?
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are you responding to the right post? nothing in the post of mine you quoted has anything to do with Jews or Israel
 
TurtleDude said:
are you responding to the right post? nothing in the post of mine you quoted has anything to do with Jews or Israel
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Well we know Israel limits its civilians (who almost all serve in the military) to 50 rounds a year. I pegged you as an anti Semite. Maybe you are not but the jury is out in my humble opinion.
 
NonoBadDog said:
You didn't answer my question. I will ask it again. If you don't understand it let me know and I will simplify it so that you can understand it.
Do you think that should be decided by the state the transaction is completed in?
I will simplify it anyway.

Do you think that the decision about laws concerning gun sales should be up to the states?
Do you think the states should be the authority to decide what the laws concerning sales should be?
Should the states be the authority to create and enforce laws concerning gun sales?

I am expecting you to give me a non answer so I decided to preemptively ask the same question several different ways.
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They should be federal laws
 
ThaiBoxer said:
They should be federal laws
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I assume you are saying THERE should be federal laws

actually only state laws are clearly constitutional
 
ThaiBoxer said:
They should be federal laws
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TurtleDude said:
I assume you are saying THERE should be federal laws

actually only state laws are clearly constitutional
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Thanks TD, that is exactly where I was going with this.

ThaiBoxer, read the Interstate Commerce Clause. The regulation of the sales of a firearms within a state is the power of a state and not the federal government.

The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government; the Tenth Amendment provides that any powers that are not enumerated in the Constitution are reserved for the states. Congress has often used the Commerce Clause to justify exercising legislative power over the activities of states and their citizens, leading to significant and ongoing controversy regarding the balance of power between the federal government and the states.
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The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.”
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commerce_clause

The 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt10_user.html#amdt10_hd4
 
Soho gator said:
Why are you anti semetic/Israel?
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That is like me asking you, "Does your face still look like a donkey's ass?" I am sure it doesn't but your question is pretty much idiotic just like my example question would be.
 
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Soho gator said:
Well we know Israel limits its civilians (who almost all serve in the military) to 50 rounds a year. I pegged you as an anti Semite. Maybe you are not but the jury is out in my humble opinion.
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Are you going to move to Israel? This isn't Israel. We have a different Constitution. I am aware that you don't think much of it but opinions of the regular public don't dictate how the Constitution is applied. We have this thing called a Supreme Court that does that.
 
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