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To Liberals Only: Do you want to ban guns for law abiding citizens?

Do you want to ban guns for law abiding citizens?

  • No - No limitations on guns, clips, etc whatsoever

    Votes: 16 40.0%

  • Not completely, just high magazine clips. Still support "assault weapon" ownership

    Votes: 4 10.0%

  • I support all gun ownership with the exception of "assault weapons"

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • I support all gun ownership with the exception of "assault weapons" and handguns

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • I want to see all guns banned and confiscated

    Votes: 3 7.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 14 35.0%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
Dragonfly said:
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By some sources there are now more guns in the US than people.

http://https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/05/guns-in-the-united-states-one-for-every-man-woman-and-child-and-then-some/



Nobody is coming for your guns.

The battle cry from the nutters every time a Dem takes office sells more guns.
Obama being POTUS has been the best thing for the gun industry outside of flat-out invasion by communist zombies.
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BS.

Pelosi has already tried to ban guns I own.
 
i'd rather see us focusing on ending the wars, giving people a little job security, ensuring debt free access to post secondary education, fixing health care, and repairing / expanding our infrastructure.
 
Lursa said:
Discussed this before. Why should I have to pay to exercise a Constitutional right?
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As you know, it is just one of the many ways Democrats try to price gun ownership out of the reach of the poor. Other schemes include mandated smart gun tech, ammo tax, required cla$$es, fees... etc.
 
dadalus said:
I'd like to see gun ownership decrease, since they are a threat to the people in the households who have them. I'd like to see more background checks. Smart guns. And stronger laws.

But the one thing we can't fix is the righteous indignation of gun owners.

Take the idiots in Oregon. If they were black, the outcry would be insane. Instead, they are ignorant Tea Party, Religious, Conservative morons - which the Right loves!

Then, take even some people on this forum who think liberals should be taken out and shot. What kind of idiocy (or fake bravado) is that?

The Right loves to bring up the 2 or 3 shop owners who stopped a theft, ignoring the hundreds of people killed by guns.

Then, they think any kind of restriction immediatly leads to a slippery slope. It's like every elecation cycle, the Right scares their idiot base into thinking the Democrat is going to ban the Bible. They fall for it every time because they are uneducated morons.
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Why should you have the right to tell other Americans 'what they need' and 'what risks they can take in their homes?'

Do you believe you should be able to tell them they cant own swimming pools? Certain dogs? Archery sets? It's none of your business and those people may pay the consequences for their decisions owning guns. They may also reap the benefits of protection. It's certainly not up to you to decide for them.

And btw, I know some of the people that protested down in OR and they are not ignorant or even Tea Partiers.

Oh. And I'm mainly a liberal Democrat.
 
I support a significantly increased effort to disrupt the black market, where a lot of guns are illegally sold. I feel there could be bipartisan support for this.
 
I want to ban gun sales to all gang members and career criminals, that should do it, oh wait..........never mind:golf
 
jet57 said:
I'm pro second amendment, but for these times, I'm also pro banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines in the public market. I also think that one should show cause for concealed carry. When our society acts more responsible again, I'm for loosening up the rules.
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I don't think you can straddle that fence. How can you support the 2nd, which says "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", then proceed to present your list of needed infringements?
 
Phys251 said:
I support a significantly increased effort to disrupt the black market, where a lot of guns are illegally sold. I feel there could be bipartisan support for this.
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getting rid or at least curtailing the war on drugs would go a long way in accomplishing that
 
I think a lot of gun enthusiasts scare themselves out of rationality. I don't know why.

Most people support reasonable gun regulations. Like "cooling off periods," background checks, no guns in schools for god's sakes. That's all. No one's coming to take your guns. Why believe that? Congressmen won't even pass a bill preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying a gun. Geeze.

Just because the police can give you a ticket for not having your seat belt buckled doesn't mean the government is coming to take your cars away.

Why the fanaticism?
 
TurtleDude said:
getting rid or at least curtailing the war on drugs would go a long way in accomplishing that
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Yes it would. Also, I should qualify my prior comment by saying that we need to have a national discussion about what should constitute a legal or illegal sale--whether it is the good or service itself or the method by which it is delivered--and how to go after them. Hell, we could potentially start to cut into other major problems if we cracked down on the black market, such as sex trafficking. We could also wind up criminalizing benign behavior.
 
Phys251 said:
Yes it would. Also, I should qualify my prior comment by saying that we need to have a national discussion about what should constitute a legal or illegal sale--whether it is the good or service itself or the method by which it is delivered--and how to go after them. Hell, we could potentially start to cut into other major problems if we cracked down on the black market, such as sex trafficking. We could also wind up criminalizing benign behavior.
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every harmful thing you can do with a gun, is already illegal and for the most part, subject to some pretty hefty penalties.
 
TurtleDude said:
every harmful thing you can do with a gun, is already illegal and for the most part, subject to some pretty hefty penalties.
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Well there is the issue of making said action harder to commit. That is a recurring point of the gun control crowd. It's hard to shoot up a school without a semiautomatic long gun (or fully automatic, although IIRC those aren't street legal). But the counterpoint is that such guns could be bought on the black market, and someone who is willing to shoot up a school is highly unlikely to care whether their gun purchases are legal or not. They don't just grow on trees--they have to come from somewhere.
 
jpn said:
I think a lot of gun enthusiasts scare themselves out of rationality. I don't know why.

Most people support reasonable gun regulations. Like "cooling off periods," background checks, no guns in schools for god's sakes. That's all. No one's coming to take your guns. Why believe that? Congressmen won't even pass a bill preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying a gun. Geeze.

Just because the police can give you a ticket for not having your seat belt buckled doesn't mean the government is coming to take your cars away.

Why the fanaticism?
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1) cooling off periods have no value to deterring crime. the heat of the moment doesn't last long enough to take the hour or so to buy a gun legally. That is a false claim on your part.


2) gun free schools have been a big success in keeping out the Columbine Killers, Patrick Purdy in Stockton, Lanza in Sandy Hook etc. stupid suggestion

3) Terrorist watch list-no due process and having lunch with someone you work with that the FBI thinks is a terrorist often will land you on that list. If someone really is a terrorist they should be at least under indictment.

GEEZ-you really don't understand constitutional rights and due process

THE NYTs called for taking guns away. SO stop fibbing
 
Phys251 said:
Well there is the issue of making said action harder to commit. That is a recurring point of the gun control crowd. It's hard to shoot up a school without a semiautomatic long gun (or fully automatic, although IIRC those aren't street legal). But the counterpoint is that such guns could be bought on the black market, and someone who is willing to shoot up a school is highly unlikely to care whether their gun purchases are legal or not. They don't just grow on trees--they have to come from somewhere.
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the recurring point of the gun control crowd is to either pander to people who WANT SOMETHING done or to pretend that laws that hinder people like ME buying or owning guns is going to deter people who don't worry about 25-life in a federal penitentiary.
 
jpn said:
I think a lot of gun enthusiasts scare themselves out of rationality. I don't know why.

Most people support reasonable gun regulations. Like "cooling off periods," background checks, no guns in schools for god's sakes. That's all. No one's coming to take your guns. Why believe that? Congressmen won't even pass a bill preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying a gun. Geeze.

Just because the police can give you a ticket for not having your seat belt buckled doesn't mean the government is coming to take your cars away.

Why the fanaticism?
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I'm not into guns at all. I only have the bare minimum and look at them like my car: for specific purposes. And I'm not into cars or trucks, even tho I have both.

OTOH, I am a strong supporter of the 2A and have yet to see any 'reasonable' gun control measures that do not punish the law-abiding Americans just trying to exercise the 2A just like they are entitled to exercise any other Constitutional right.

If you have some solutions that can 'fix' gun violence without penalizing gun owners in general, please do feel free to share them.
 
Phys251 said:
Well there is the issue of making said action harder to commit. That is a recurring point of the gun control crowd. It's hard to shoot up a school without a semiautomatic long gun (or fully automatic, although IIRC those aren't street legal). But the counterpoint is that such guns could be bought on the black market, and someone who is willing to shoot up a school is highly unlikely to care whether their gun purchases are legal or not. They don't just grow on trees--they have to come from somewhere.
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Why cant people own semiauto long guns? People enjoy them, can use them for legitimate purposes and recreation.

I mean, why do people need muscle cars and street racers? They dont 'need' them do they? And surely the street racers kill many innocent people every year.

This is America....others should not have the power to tell other Americans what they need and dont need, what they can enjoy and cannot enjoy.

And yes, I do believe in decriminalizing drugs and prostitution, for example.
 
jimbo said:
I don't think you can straddle that fence. How can you support the 2nd, which says "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", then proceed to present your list of needed infringements?
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I don't see it as straddling but in keeping with the second and watching out for public safety at the same time. We can't confiscate owned guns, but we can whenever possible slow down the spread of new ones which can have a positive effect over a little time. It's gotta be all fifty states though. A stretch, but worth thinkin about.
 
jet57 said:
I don't see it as straddling but in keeping with the second and watching out for public safety at the same time. We can't confiscate owned guns, but we can whenever possible slow down the spread of new ones which can have a positive effect over a little time. It's gotta be all fifty states though. A stretch, but worth thinkin about.
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Why cant young Americans, as they become adults, own guns? They should have 'less' rights under the 2A?
 
Lursa said:
Why cant young Americans, as they become adults, own guns? They should have 'less' rights under the 2A?
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Uh no, - again - young adults CAN own guns and I would encourage it. Just not assault weapons or banana clips and hundred round magazines.

It's worth a try.
 
jet57 said:
Uh no, - again - young adults CAN own guns and I would encourage it. Just not assault weapons or banana clips and hundred round magazines.

It's worth a try.
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What's wrong with assault weapons? Some kind of bias? Prejudice? My present to my nephew on graduation will be going in with my sister & her husband on an AR for him.

They have several purposes, and it's not up to you to tell us how to 'value' those purposes.
 
jet57 said:
Uh no, - again - young adults CAN own guns and I would encourage it. Just not assault weapons or banana clips and hundred round magazines.

It's worth a try.
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at what point does a magazine cause an honest gun owner to become a crazed criminal?

at what point is an honest citizen no longer trustworthy in terms of round count.

how many times have hundred round magazines been successfully used to commit felonies?

at what point would jet57 say a magazine limit is unconstitutional?
 
Lursa said:
What's wrong with assault weapons? Some kind of bias? Prejudice? My present to my nephew on graduation was going in with my sister & her husband on an AR for him.

They have several purposes, and it's not up to you to tell us how to 'value' those purposes.
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"oh boy"

They have been used in too many mass killings, like school children, people at parties and movie theaters... So perhaps it's time to put the kibosh on some weapons in the public market for a while and see what happens.
 
jet57 said:
"oh boy"

They have been used in too many mass killings, like school children, people at parties and movie theaters... So perhaps it's time to put the kibosh on some weapons in the public market for a while and see what happens.
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that's a silly comment. what makes a weapon an "assault weapon" according to Democrat twits in office are cosmetics. Flash hiders, pistol grips, folding stocks. so tell us how eliminating firearms with those features are going to make children safer?
 
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