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Arm Britain: UK citizens fighting for their gun rights

Andalublue said:
I can assure you that the likelihood of British people being persuaded by the efforts of American gun-nuts to change public opinion on the matter is as great as the likelihood of Europeans to persuade Americans to ban them. Not that I'm aware of any Europeans even trying to do so. Different cultures, different attitudes. Hell, even the British police are against carrying firearms themselves.
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Correct Andalublue: there is zero chance of any foreseeable British government relaxing the gun laws. There is zero chance of any substantial body of British opinion wanting them relaxed.
 
Piers Morgan would have a heart attack if the Brit's were allowed easier access to firearms.:doh
 
Well it seems the majority in the UK believe owning a gun for protection is not a right but a privilege granted to those who are deserving. I suggest such the minority who want the right to own a gun for protection move to the USA where we still have right to bear arms.
The other alternative is to speak out and change the law. I believe in government serving and protecting the peoples rights and freedom. When I need to get permission from my government to exercise my rights then I have become a servant of the government. That is my opinion. I think it is better to fight for your rights than get on your knees and beg for permission.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Piers Morgan would have a heart attack if the Brit's were allowed easier access to firearms.:doh
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That's the one good argument at least.
 
It's frankly pathetic that a people want to be disarmed. If you want a safer society you need to focus on culture, wealth and education, not guns.
 
Andalublue said:
A couple of Facebook groups and a forum with 2,000 members (0.004% of the population) isn't really much of a groundswell, now is it?
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That would be exactly why we're trying to get the word out :)

Thank you clicking on the links, it helps with advertising.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, the UK has a different culture than the US. They don't need to take lessons from us any more than we do from them.
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A culture that believes ownership of property is to be embraced is a culture worth defending, but a culture that bars the ownership of certain property is only a culture to condemn.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, actually it is valueless. The culture in the two places is different. You have as much impact on UK opinions on guns as they do on your opinion on guns.
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Since the 2A is most certainly based on the British Bill of rights what two pertinent cultures are you speaking of?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Well it seems the majority in the UK believe owning a gun for protection is not a right but a privilege granted to those who are deserving. I suggest such the minority who want the right to own a gun for protection move to the USA where we still have right to bear arms.
The other alternative is to speak out and change the law. I believe in government serving and protecting the peoples rights and freedom. When I need to get permission from my government to exercise my rights then I have become a servant of the government. That is my opinion. I think it is better to fight for your rights than get on your knees and beg for permission.
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It's not even about guns, or knives.

In Britain you can only use force during the literal exact moment force is being used against you. If you're being cornered by a couple muggers in a park who are making verbal threats and brandishing weapons, and you use pepper spray and flee, you will be arested for criminal assult.

You have to wait untill they swing their weapon to use any kind of force yourself, even your fists, and the instant they stop, you have to as well.

One could maintain a strong anti-gun stance while opposing such tight restrictions. The most recent bill is about creating a basic right to self defense, that you can use force when the threat is iminent and not have to wait until it's carried out.
 
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Crimefree said:
Since the 2A is most certainly based on the British Bill of rights what two pertinent cultures are you speaking of?
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Yes, let's not forget that our moder right to arms comes from English (ie Britain, France, Germany) law.
 
Andalublue said:
I can assure you that the likelihood of British people being persuaded by the efforts of American gun-nuts to change public opinion on the matter is as great as the likelihood of Europeans to persuade Americans to ban them. Not that I'm aware of any Europeans even trying to do so. Different cultures, different attitudes. Hell, even the British police are against carrying firearms themselves.
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I can assure you that persuading the population to kill 13 million of is neighbours, friends and relatives is impossible. How people come up with such foolish rationalisations is a mystery to me.

What gives you the idea Americans are "immune" to the propaganda of gun control or simply propaganda. What do you think the idiotic prohibition of alcohol was all about? Everyone one day thought "hey this is a good idea". Some people really do live in a delusional world.

Try not to be economical with the truth.

Every British police car carries all the weapons they need...... That's so guns cannot infect them with the desire to kill or go on a rampage.
 
Andalublue said:
Yes it is. One where any non-American making any kind of critical comment on US gun culture gets told to butt out pretty quickly, and is referred to as a eurofag thereafter.

You can sign any petition you like, I can guarantee you that the percentage of support you'd get for making UK gun laws more like American laws would be in low single figures.
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yeah years of brainwashing by the nanny state does tend to do that
 
Jerry said:
It's not even about guns, or knives.

In Britain you can only use force during the literal exact moment force is being used against you. If you're being cornered by a couple muggers in a park who are making verbal threats and brandishing weapons, and you use pepper spray and flee, you will be arested for criminal assult.

You have to wait untill they swing their weapon to use any kind of force yourself, even your fists, and the instant they stop, you have to as well.

One could maintain a strong anti-gun stance while opposing such tight restrictions. The most recent bill is about creating a basic right to self defense, that you can use force when the threat is iminent and not have to wait until it's carried out.
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Do not forget the extremely limited things that can be used as a weapon for defence. Even a screwdriver carried without very good reason will be used against you. A woman who carries a pocket knife and uses it to defend against rape will be charged and the wanna be rapist will get off free. It would seem those distant cousins have been standing in the sun to long. The lunatics run the asylum there. Box cutters are on that list and newspaper delivery guys may only have two box cutters
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
Well it seems the majority in the UK believe owning a gun for protection is not a right but a privilege granted to those who are deserving. I suggest such the minority who want the right to own a gun for protection move to the USA where we still have right to bear arms.
The other alternative is to speak out and change the law. I believe in government serving and protecting the peoples rights and freedom. When I need to get permission from my government to exercise my rights then I have become a servant of the government. That is my opinion. I think it is better to fight for your rights than get on your knees and beg for permission.
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No one in the UK is allowed to own a gun for protection whether they be 'deserving' or not. And public opinion likes it that way.
 
Crimefree said:
Do not forget the extremely limited things that can be used as a weapon for defence. Even a screwdriver carried without very good reason will be used against you. A woman who carries a pocket knife and uses it to defend against rape will be charged and the wanna be rapist will get off free. It would seem those distant cousins have been standing in the sun to long. The lunatics run the asylum there.
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Not quite Crimefree; in the circumstances you describe a British jury would be extremely unlikely to convict the woman. Could happen in Sweden though - we don't have juries here.
 
Sweden said:
Not quite Crimefree; in the circumstances you describe a British jury would be extremely unlikely to convict the woman. Could happen in Sweden though - we don't have juries here.
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The fact that it's possible she could be convicted for it is a problem.
 
Crimefree said:
I can assure you that persuading the population to kill 13 million of is neighbours, friends and relatives is impossible.
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Eh? Where did that come from?

Try not to be economical with the truth.
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I agree. The you say...

Every British police car carries all the weapons they need...... That's so guns cannot infect them with the desire to kill or go on a rampage.
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Which is so untrue as to be laughable.
 
Sweden said:
No one in the UK is allowed to own a gun for protection whether they be 'deserving' or not. And public opinion likes it that way.
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You put your finger right on the problem.
 
Sweden said:
Not quite Crimefree; in the circumstances you describe a British jury would be extremely unlikely to convict the woman. Could happen in Sweden though - we don't have juries here.
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Would you prefer I did up an actual case which I can assure you exists?
 
It's not a problem in a civil society that doesn't fear it's neighbours. And has no reason to. Twelve guns deaths a year doesn't even equate to one American afternoon.
As for a facebook petition contaminated by gun nutters? Be serious

I notice the "Arm British citizens" site spells defence the American way. Not that I suspect it might be fake or anything.... A thousand likes from a population of 65 million is not to be...actually it IS to be sniffed at. I smell a rat.
 
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Jerry said:
It's not even about guns, or knives.

In Britain you can only use force during the literal exact moment force is being used against you. If you're being cornered by a couple muggers in a park who are making verbal threats and brandishing weapons, and you use pepper spray and flee, you will be arested for criminal assult.

You have to wait untill they swing their weapon to use any kind of force yourself, even your fists, and the instant they stop, you have to as well.

One could maintain a strong anti-gun stance while opposing such tight restrictions. The most recent bill is about creating a basic right to self defense, that you can use force when the threat is iminent and not have to wait until it's carried out.
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Wow. I would have to wait for someone to stick a knife in me or bash my skull in before I can defend myself. I was planning a vacation to the UK. I think I will forgo that now.
 
Sweden said:
No one in the UK is allowed to own a gun for protection whether they be 'deserving' or not. And public opinion likes it that way.
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Wow. Nobody has a gun in the UK. Interesting. Well the those that do want the right to bear arms and protect themselves as well as their family are welcome here.
 
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