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NRA calls out Obama

Absentglare said:
I assumed you were familiar with an analogy.

People who are very likely to shoot innocents with guns, as determined through due process, are not allowed to legally buy guns.
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uh and who is opposing that?
 
TurtleDude said:
uh and who is opposing that?
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Emphasis mine :

Citizen.Seven said:
Which is why requiring background checks, registration, etc is wrong: it is prohibiting before an action is taken, such as using a firearm for a crime. Furthermore, it is applied even if there is no history or probable cause to justify. If you claim the USFG has this legitimate power, and by extension to state action since the BOR applies to them as well, then by necessity it applies to the 1A and other enumerated recognized rights. In other words, preventing the sale of newspapers or requiring registration for their purchase is within governmeht power.
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Absentglare said:
Emphasis mine :
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Registration is an abomination that is only useful for one thing-harassing honest gun owners. Background checks are feel good costly placebos.
 
Absentglare said:
No, it is not.

I don't believe in unfettered access to firearms and i'm gobsmacked that you would make such an absolutely obscene argument.
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Your reaction, while unfortunate, is not the point. The right to keep and bear arms implies very strongly the ease of access to their procurement like that had by books and newspapers for the 1A. If you think the USFG and the states have the legitimate authority to require hoops to chill the exercise of the former via some form of the commerce clause, then you necessarily support the power if not the practice for the latter. Both are contrary to the plain wording of their respective amendments.
 
Citizen.Seven said:
Your reaction, while unfortunate, is not the point. The right to keep and bear arms implies very strongly the ease of access to their procurement like that had by books and newspapers for the 1A. If you think the USFG and the states have the legitimate authority to require hoops to chill the exercise of the former via some form of the commerce clause, then you necessarily support the power if not the practice for the latter. Both are contrary to the plain wording of their respective amendments.
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The second amendment is not necessarily impacted by limitations to buy guns.

After all, don't pro-gun people always claim that every criminal can always acquire a gun, whenever they want ?
 
Absentglare said:
The second amendment is not necessarily impacted by limitations to buy guns.

After all, don't pro-gun people always claim that every criminal can always acquire a gun, whenever they want ?
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I guess the freedom of the press isn't impacted if the government ban the sell of newspapers and access to news websites.:roll:
 
Absentglare said:
The second amendment is not necessarily impacted by limitations to buy guns.

After all, don't pro-gun people always claim that every criminal can always acquire a gun, whenever they want ?
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This is another example of a gun banner or restrictionist who is desperately trying to find away around the 2A so that his liberal masters in office can pretend that the crap they pander is actually a constitutional means to assuage the howling of the low wattage ninnies who want something DONE NOW and to harass the NRA.
 
cpgrad08 said:
I guess the freedom of the press isn't impacted if the government ban the sell of newspapers and access to news websites.:roll:
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Losing the ability to purchase a gun through your own demonstrated behavior is completely different.

TurtleDude said:
This is another example of a gun banner or restrictionist who is desperately trying to find away around the 2A so that his liberal masters in office can pretend that the crap they pander is actually a constitutional means to assuage the howling of the low wattage ninnies who want something DONE NOW and to harass the NRA.
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This is another example of your anti-anything-other-than-your-personal-narrative-on-guns prejudice.
 
TurtleDude said:
This is another example of a gun banner or restrictionist who is desperately trying to find away around the 2A so that his liberal masters in office can pretend that the crap they pander is actually a constitutional means to assuage the howling of the low wattage ninnies who want something DONE NOW and to harass the NRA.
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OMG Turtledude :shock: you're starting to sound a whole lot like___well; me!

You best be careful of such wordsy witsy wisdom or you'll get yourself anointed vice-pariah of DP_

Libbies are unanimously intolerant of their idiosyncrasies being flagrantly flouted via flamboyant flair_

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Empirica said:
OMG Turtledude :shock: you're starting to sound a whole lot like___well; me!

You best be careful of such wordsy witsy wisdom or you'll get yourself anointed vice-pariah of DP_

Libbies are unanimously intolerant of their idiosyncrasies being flagrantly flouted via flamboyant flair_

:2wave:
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I am what I am and I will be what I will be:lamo
 
Absentglare said:
Losing the ability to purchase a gun through your own demonstrated behavior is completely different.



This is another example of your anti-anything-other-than-your-personal-narrative-on-guns prejudice.
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wrong, you just spew nonsense and get upset when the stuff you spew is demonstrated to be worthless psychobabble, you whine about nonsense. The fact is-you keep pretending all you want to do is keep people who are already subject of federal felonies if they have a gun-from getting one
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong, you just spew nonsense and get upset when the stuff you spew is demonstrated to be worthless psychobabble, you whine about nonsense. The fact is-you keep pretending all you want to do is keep people who are already subject of federal felonies if they have a gun-from getting one
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Your rebuttal is nonsense.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong, you just spew nonsense and get upset when the stuff you spew is demonstrated to be worthless psychobabble, you whine about nonsense. The fact is-you keep pretending all you want to do is keep people who are already subject of federal felonies if they have a gun-from getting one
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It's a common practice, claiming someone's rights aren't being violated when clearly they are as can be seen by applying similar laws to other rights, such as speech.

There's also a fair amount of disingenuous parsing: BO laughs off confiscation as paranoid conspiracy, yet admires Australia's gun laws which included mandatory buy backs. We're not confiscsting your guns, we're making it mandatory that you sell them to us. Psh.
 
Citizen.Seven said:
It's a common practice, claiming someone's rights aren't being violated when clearly they are as can be seen by applying similar laws to other rights, such as speech.

There's also a fair amount of disingenuous parsing: BO laughs off confiscation as paranoid conspiracy, yet admires Australia's gun laws which included mandatory buy backs. We're not confiscsting your guns, we're making it mandatory that you sell them to us. Psh.
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The Bannite movement hopes that the average sheeple hasn't seen all the hateful nonsense the Bannites have spewed at the NRA and Lawful gun owners. If the average sheep were to wake up and examine those comments, they would quickly realize that the "we aren't interested in taking guns away" is crap and the Bannite movement is based on malignant hatred of lawful gun ownership
 
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