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Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for people..

Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

How the heck can Obama make it harder for criminals to get guns? He does not even know who they are and if he did go arrest them. Sheez you gun control types need a lot of dots.

If he does not know who the criminals are is he just going to guess and hope? What is the KNOWN accuracy of back ground checks?

***What kind of emotional screeching is that?

It was a direct question. President Obama only wants to make it harder for CRIMINALS. Now do you want to arm criminals, or can you put away this anti-gun law prejudice and let rational thought have some involvement in what you think ?
 
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But it is already a crime.
Straw Purchasing | Dontlie.org
An illegal firearm purchase (straw purchase) is a federal crime.
An illegal firearm purchase can bring a felony conviction sentence of ten years in jail and a fine of up to $250,000.

You're right!! That's why he's not changing any laws. He's just enforcing them differently !
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Again his answer is regard to woman who was asking about criminals going to states with laxer gun laws to legally purchase firearms and bring them back to Chicago. He responds by saying to make guns more costly in order to dry up the supply. .Do you know what a straw purchase is? It is where someone who can legally purchase firearms purchases firearms with a background check and gives or sells those guns to people who can not legally purchase a gun because those people can not pass a background check. How is Obama going to make it financially more costly for straw purchaser to buy guns without making it more costly for average citizens? Because the straw purchaser and the average law abiding citizen are buying from the same supplier.



https://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/strawPurchase.pdf
What is a straw purchase?
A straw purchase occurs when the
actual buyer of a firearm is unable to
pass the required federal background
check, or does not want his or her full
name associated with the purchase,
and has someone else who can pass
the required background check
purchase the
firearm for him
or her

Because straw purchases will be better enforced, thus the straw purchaser has higher costs but the legal buyer does not.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Oh you mean like when the Obama Administration ensured that legally purchased guns in the US were smuggled across the border where they were then used to kill Mexican nationals so that they could press their gun control agenda? Otherwise known as Fast and Furious.

Oh if only Obama had issued this Executive Order on himself back in 2009 and 2010. How many Mexicans would be alive today that were ultimately killed by guns that he ensured would end up in the hands of criminals?

LOL Those guns got away because no Judge would write a warrant for the strawman purchaser. That is a huge problem. Scumbag gun sellers get away with murder daily.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

But it is already a crime.
Straw Purchasing | Dontlie.org
An illegal firearm purchase (straw purchase) is a federal crime.
An illegal firearm purchase can bring a felony conviction sentence of ten years in jail and a fine of up to $250,000.

But the problem is the laws are written to protect the gun seller. In Arizona the buyer can "change his mind" and sell his gun to anyone in the parking lot of the gun store. It is a sham.
 
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But the problem is the laws are written to protect the gun seller. In Arizona the buyer can "change his mind" and sell his gun to anyone in the parking lot of the gun store. It is a sham.

I'm lost with this argument, sham, OMG, sack cloth and ashes why? What is the problem of who owns a gun? I just have to know that.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

You're right!! That's why he's not changing any laws. He's just enforcing them differently !

Why does he need executive orders if he is not changing any law?
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Because straw purchases will be better enforced, thus the straw purchaser has higher costs but the legal buyer does not.

You have no evidence of that claim and it is not even a good guess. Explain what higher costs are you claiming. Both have the same costs and you have provided no evidence once again of your claim.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

It was a direct question. President Obama only wants to make it harder for CRIMINALS. Now do you want to arm criminals, or can you put away this anti-gun law prejudice and let rational thought have some involvement in what you think ?

Learn to quote what you are responding to as nobody knows what the heck you mean and must guess.

***Do you want to blindly arm criminals ???

Do you want to punish the innocent. Now that is pertinent question. Explain how background checks which have proven to be a farce will not punish the innocent. That's the problem with gun control types they do not care who they trample or deliberately endanger. Schools kids deaths no problem it is worth it of one life is saved.

Is not a direct question, its a leading question that is as false as one can get. CRIMINALS, the ones we know about are all in PRISON. A really really stupid question.

How does one make it harder for criminals who have not been identified, arrested and punished? Does Obama have a crystal ball and know who is going to commit crimes?

Now try and answer the question you have been avoiding.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

There's more, but I'm done with the copy and paste.
What does? Doing what you likely have already done?

It's an interesting concept but one that I think will only increase gun theft. Already, we're seeing a spike in stolen weapons.

ST. LOUIS — In what’s been a violent year in St. Louis, a common theme has emerged: The gun used in any given crime was probably stolen.

The city is on pace for around 200 homicides in 2015, the most in 20 years. Meanwhile, reports of gun thefts are up nearly 70 percent, Police Chief Sam Dotson said. But it’s not homes, gun stores or pawnshops that thieves are targeting, Dotson said: It’s cars and trucks.
Stolen guns increasingly used in violent crimes | The Seattle Times

With heightened background checks and felons already not being able to purchase a gun legally, other venues (black market) will open.

For the criminal, it's not more expensive to steal a $1,200 dollar handgun than it is to steal a $250 one.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

But the problem is the laws are written to protect the gun seller. In Arizona the buyer can "change his mind" and sell his gun to anyone in the parking lot of the gun store. It is a sham.

Regardless of what the state does it is still a federal crime that carries a punishment up to ten years in prison to do a straw purchase.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Because straw purchases will be better enforced, thus the straw purchaser has higher costs but the legal buyer does not.

The person going to store to buy guns in in order to sell or give to other people is a legal buyer.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

The CDC report is overall a blow to the Obama Administration’s unconstitutional agenda. It largely supports the Second Amendment, and contradicts common anti-gun arguments. Unfortunately, mainstream media failed to get the story they were hoping for, and their silence on the matter is a screaming illustration of their underlying agenda.

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

Read more: CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns & Ammo

Obama's own requested research on HIS gun control proposals.

Universal background checks

Twitter summary: Effectiveness depends on the ability to reduce straw purchasing, requiring gun
registration and an easy gun transfer process

To understand the value of background checks it is essential to understand the source of crime guns.
Several sporadic attempts have been made to learn how criminals acquire guns. For example, a 2000
study by the ATF found the following distribution of sources

Source Percentage
Straw purchase 47%
Stolen 26%
Store 14%
Residence 10%
Common carrier 2%
Unregulated private seller 20%
Gun shows/flea markets 13%
Retail diversion 8%

Note: Percentages do not add up to 100% since some sources fall into multiple
categories (e.g. unregulated seller at a flea market)

These figures indicate informal transfers dominate the crime gun market. A perfect universal background check system can address the gun shows and might deter many unregulated private sellers. However, this does not address the largest sources (straw purchasers and theft), which would most likely become larger if background checks at gun shows and private sellers were addressed. The secondary market is the primary source of crime guns. Ludwig and Cook (2000) compared states that introduced Brady checks to those states that already had background checks and found no effect of the new background checks. They hypothesized that the background checks simply shifted to the secondary market those offenders who normally purchased in the primary market.

Supply sources can vary in different parts of the country. An NIJ funded study of the Los Angeles illicit gun market noted: “Results showed that many crime guns were first purchased at local—that is, in county—licensed dealers, rather than from out of state. That is, contrary to the conventional wisdom that crime guns were being trafficked across state borders from places with less stringent regulations, such as Arizona and Nevada, we found that a majority of the guns used in crimes were purchased in Los Angeles County.” Thus, gun markets can be highly local. Understanding gun sources requires a sustained and localized surveillance program. For example, the program could interview new arrestees at intake about how they acquired their gun, cost, and general gun availability. This could be conducted in conjunction with BJA’s plans to target local violence prevention programs in 20 cities. This is similar to the ADAM program for monitoring drug markets and could, in fact, complement any restart of ADAM. In the coming years such data could become available through BJS efforts; BJS will include a series of questions in its 2013/2014 national inmate survey.

Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies
Greg Ridgeway, Ph.D.
Deputy Director
National Institute of Justice
January 4, 2013

What more does one need to see the utter shame and lie of the President willing to oppress innocent citizens and deliberately endanger their lives because he does not like guns?
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Why does he need executive orders if he is not changing any law?

He DOESN'T need any executive orders, THAT'S why i called it a LIE.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_actions.pdf

They are executive ACTIONS.

You have no evidence of that claim and it is not even a good guess. Explain what higher costs are you claiming. Both have the same costs and you have provided no evidence once again of your claim.

Read the pdf above. None of those will increase the cost to a lawful consumer.

Learn to quote what you are responding to as nobody knows what the heck you mean and must guess.



Do you want to punish the innocent. Now that is pertinent question. Explain how background checks which have proven to be a farce will not punish the innocent. That's the problem with gun control types they do not care who they trample or deliberately endanger. Schools kids deaths no problem it is worth it of one life is saved.

Is not a direct question, its a leading question that is as false as one can get. CRIMINALS, the ones we know about are all in PRISON. A really really stupid question.

How does one make it harder for criminals who have not been identified, arrested and punished? Does Obama have a crystal ball and know who is going to commit crimes?

Now try and answer the question you have been avoiding.

Bunch of nonsensical, talking point rhetoric. No one is being punished. The current laws are being better enforced. It should make background checks quicker and more efficient for lawful sales, if anything.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

The person going to store to buy guns in in order to sell or give to other people is a legal buyer.

Nope. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with existing gun control laws.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Unless she's trying to purchase her guns through less than transparent means, Obama wasn't lying. And if she is wanting to buy her guns out of the back of a van from "Mr. X", then I'm not all that concerned if it is harder for her to buy one.

That is not what he said. He very clearly was talking about making it harder and more expensive for criminals to get firearms in a nontransparent way. It is literally in the paragraph you posted.

I can't make you get over any faux outrage, but as the saying goes, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.".

Umm, seriously, you need to read what he actually says and what he proposed. It will help.
A straw purchaser is not getting their guns from a back of van or some alleged grey source. He or she doesn't need to do that because they can pass a back ground check. The guy allegedly selling out of the back of his or her van or some other grey source is not doing background checks. So the straw purchaser's supplier is the same supplier that average law abiding citizens has, which is a licensed gun dealer who does have to do background checks. If anything the guy selling guns from the back of his van is possibly a straw purchaser himself.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Nope. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with existing gun control laws.

A straw purchase is where a legal buyer buys guns for someone else who can not legally buy a gun.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

It's an interesting concept but one that I think will only increase gun theft. Already, we're seeing a spike in stolen weapons.

Stolen guns increasingly used in violent crimes | The Seattle Times

With heightened background checks and felons already not being able to purchase a gun legally, other venues (black market) will open.

For the criminal, it's not more expensive to steal a $1,200 dollar handgun than it is to steal a $250 one.

As any dufus with two operational brain cells knows it is not possible to deprive criminals of what has use or market value. There are more ways to obtain what is wanted than one can produce laws to stop people who by definition do not obey laws. That's rocket science to gun control.

The proof lies in history for all to see, drugs, alcohol, pornography.... each with it own unwelcome consequences thanks to moral busybodies.

The problem is finding people with two operational brain cells. Gun control requires either one or both brain cells are defective leaving a mindless vessel to fill with crap from gun controls cesspool to be repeated every time one pulls the cord.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

He DOESN'T need any executive orders, THAT'S why i called it a LIE.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_actions.pdf

They are executive ACTIONS.

There was no need for executive anything and one change to any law makes it an ORDER. That includes the regulations for that law. You are busy trying to play word games. Obama had perfectly good channels to do what he wanted via congress whjere thery would have seen examination for validity.

You have failed to explain why Obama with two reports he ordered that show the futility of background checks has IGNORED the FINDINGS. Why has this research been ignored?

Read the pdf above. None of those will increase the cost to a lawful consumer.

Bull****, the more time the shop spends with government paperwork the cost must be passed on. You don't know much about this do you and have examined even less? Every time you write I point out your failures to address the problems with what you support and claim without evidence.

What about the person unjustly denied as has been the occurrence of every background check implemented anywhere in the world. You are attempting to AVOID my questions again. ANSWER my questions. What about the KNOWN OPPRESSION of INNOCENT people DENIED? What about their SAFETY.

Bunch of nonsensical, talking point rhetoric. No one is being punished. The current laws are being better enforced. It should make background checks quicker and more efficient for lawful sales, if anything.

How dumb do you have to be to claim somebody denied a purchase upon which their life or that of their family may one day depend is not being punished with false denial? Efficient wasteful costly unnecessary idiocy? Who do you think you are trying to bluff with such crap. It's useless and proven so.

I repeat as you obviously missed it

Is not a direct question, its a leading question that is as false as one can get. CRIMINALS, the ones we know about are all in PRISON. A really really stupid question.

How does one make it harder for criminals who have not been identified, arrested and punished? Does Obama have a crystal ball and know who is going to commit crimes?

Now try and answer the question you have been avoiding.
 
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Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

A straw purchase is where a legal buyer buys guns for someone else who can not legally buy a gun.

I already knew that.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

There was no need for executive anything and one change to any law makes it an ORDER. That includes the regulations for that law. You are busy trying to play word games. Obama had perfectly good channels to do what he wanted via congress whjere thery would have seen examination for validity.

You have failed to explain why Obama with two reports he ordered that show the futility of background checks has IGNORED the FINDINGS. Why has this research been ignored?



Bull****, the more time the shop spends with government paperwork the cost must be passed on. You don't know much about this do you and have examined even less? Ever time you write I point out your failures to address the problems with what you support and claim without evidence.

What about the person unjustly denied as has been the occurrence of every background check implemented anywhere in the world. You are attempting to AVOID my questions again ANSWER my questions. What about the KNOWN OPPRESSION of INNOCENT people DENIED? What about their SAFETY.



How dumb do you have to be to claim somebody denied a purchase upon which their life or that of their family may one day depend is not being punished with false denial?

I repeat as you obviously missed it

Is not a direct question, its a leading question that is as false as one can get. CRIMINALS, the ones we know about are all in PRISON. A really really stupid question.

How does one make it harder for criminals who have not been identified, arrested and punished? Does Obama have a crystal ball and know who is going to commit crimes?

Now try and answer the question you have been avoiding.

There was no executive order. No laws have changed.

You still haven't cited these supposed reports.

The shop will spend less time on paperwork because the system that enacts federal background checks is acquiring more resources to complete that task.

You haven't cited a single person who has been "unjustly denied," whatever that means. Failing the criteria means not justly being able to buy a gun. That makes your alleged example false by definition.

Repeating the same rhetorical nonsense will not make it suddenly applicable.
 
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LOL Those guns got away because no Judge would write a warrant for the strawman purchaser. That is a huge problem. Scumbag gun sellers get away with murder daily.

Wrong. The guns under the Fast and Furious program got across the border because the Obama DOJ mandated and ensured that they would as a part of the gun walking program. Nothing that you post can change that. It is a historical and undeniable fact.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Regardless of what the state does it is still a federal crime that carries a punishment up to ten years in prison to do a straw purchase.

Not if there is no judge that will give an indictment. There are really no prosecutions of strawman sellers to speak of and you know it. Sellers get a pass no mater who they sell to. It's good for business and the laws are written to protect them.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

Wrong. The guns under the Fast and Furious program got across the border because the Obama DOJ mandated and ensured that they would as a part of the gun walking program. Nothing that you post can change that. It is a historical and undeniable fact.

It is also a fact that the ATF tried to get indictments on the seller and could not due to the lax gun laws in Arizona. They were actually told that the seller broke no laws. Not to mention that Bush was in office when the program started. Half truths are the rule withe the right wing blogs you frequent.
 
Re: Obama admits that he wants to make guns more expensive to make it harder for peop

There was no executive order. No laws have changed.

You still haven't cited these supposed reports.

You are babbling and have NOT asked for any reports and I said I have posted them. Now quote it of see your lie. if you want directions in finding them ASK. They are a couple of posts back a blind person would have seen it. Sheez I am shocked at your inability.

I said and I repeat any change to any law and that includes the questions asked or how it is IMPLEMENTED is CHANGE TO THE LAW. I don't care how Obama spins it he has used Executive orders. Go find where he has the right to implement executive ACTIONS and quote this power.

This is the third time I am telling you this.

The shop will spend less time on paperwork because the system that enacts federal background checks is acquiring more resources to complete that task.

Huh!!!! You are trying this crap on an intelligent person not an idiot gun control advocate.

So you are claiming the applicant is going to the government to fill in the forms. I seriously wonder about your lack of ability to understand the simplest things.

You haven't cited a single person who has been "unjustly denied," whatever that means. Failing the criteria means not justly being able to buy a gun. That makes your alleged example false by definition.

Failing criteria that is KNOWN to PRODUCE ONLY ERRORS. WTF is wrong with you?

Get screwed with your idiotic false denials and answer the question asked did you read the reports on the Brady Act I posted? It cannot be shown one crime was prevented. Every person denied by the Brady Act. Good enough for you? You do require a lot of dots and you still get it wrong.

Repeating the same rhetorical nonsense will not make it suddenly applicable.

My question is valid and I have proven its validity by claiming and showing proof the Brady act failed completely.

Repeating the came lies is not getting you anywhere is it? Do tell why will you not answer the very valid and provable correct questions asked?

I repeat as you obviously missed it

Is not a direct question, its a leading question that is as false as one can get. CRIMINALS, the ones we know about are all in PRISON. A really really stupid question.

How does one make it harder for criminals who have not been identified, arrested and punished? Does Obama have a crystal ball and know who is going to commit crimes?

Now try and answer the question you have been avoiding.

 
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