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2015: The Year of the Gun

NonoBadDog said:
How many private sellers do you think are actually out there? I can tell you that the Democrats in Colorado over estimated the sales by "private dealers" by 3000%. Let me spell that out, three thousand percent. It isn't profitable to be a private dealer. Guns have a market value and people know what that value is. "Private dealers" can't buy wholesale so that limits their supply compared to a licensed dealer. People won't just give guns to a guy because he is a "private dealer". They want market value. No profit in buying an AR-15 for a grand and selling it for a grand. The private dealer is pretty much a myth conjured up so that people will have something to whine about.
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absolutely true
 
iguanaman said:
Yet the number of people who own guns continues to decline. It appears that guns are like potato chips for some...you can't have just one. It makes one wonder how they keep track of all their weapons or if they even do.



http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822
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You say that, yet I bought 5 guns from FFLs last year but only own 1 gun right now. That's the exact opposite of what you're arguing here.

I think there's more to it then you realize.
 
WCH said:
They're both criminals. And yes if that gun is used in a crime and can be traced back to the original owner, they can be prosecuted.
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So if I buy a gun from someone who got it from an FFL, and then I turn around and sell that gun to someone I know to be a felon, who then commits a crime with it, the cops will prosecute the guy I bought the gun from, but not me, because he's the original owner even-though I would be the one who committed a crime.

You give even more reason to abolish background checks.
 
iguanaman said:
Yet the number of people who own guns continues to decline. It appears that guns are like potato chips for some...you can't have just one. It makes one wonder how they keep track of all their weapons or if they even do.

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Yeah, sure it does. :roll:
 
iguanaman said:
I would agree that felons are major purchasers of guns if that is what you mean
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Of course they are. That's why we need to pass more gun control laws, because they will magically become law abiding citizens if we just do something.
 
iguanaman said:
It takes 2 to tango. The gun seller must break the law too but we don't care about them. Private sellers don't even need to ask a buyer if he is a felon and there are ZERO penalties for him selling to one.
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Right, because criminals don't have entire networks of gun sellers and buyers. Just look at that criminal Obama, who sold guns to Mexican drug cartels.
 
TurtleDude said:
true which is why the private sale background check proposal is worthless


and what constitutes a "dealer" within the meaning of the law is going to be tied up in the courts for at least 4 years if Obama actually has the power to change the interpretation of what is a "dealer" within the meaning of the 1968 GCA
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Don't you know we need more laws on top of the laws we already have? You can never have too much redundancy in gun laws. ;)
 
Jerry said:
So if I buy a gun from someone who got it from an FFL, and then I turn around and sell that gun to someone I know to be a felon, who then commits a crime with it, the cops will prosecute the guy I bought the gun from, but not me, because he's the original owner even-though I would be the one who committed a crime.

You give even more reason to abolish background checks.
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That's not the scenario we're discussing. It should be you who gets in trouble in this case.
 
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Jerry said:
How are you going to trace a transaction that isn't documented?
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The gun can be traced back to the original owner. [if legally bought] If there's no paperwork, of course you can't trace those transactions.

You might find #9 interesting. I fully believe more info is kept than they tell you about.
Forbes Welcome
 
WCH said:
The gun can be traced back to the original owner. [if legally bought] If there's no paperwork, of course you can't trace those transactions.

You might find #9 interesting. I fully believe more info is kept than they tell you about.
Forbes Welcome
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#9 is literally decades old news, not 'interesting' in the least. Cops find a gun, look up the serial number, maybe call the original owner, and that's it. Nothing useful happens.
 
Jerry said:
I never said it was.
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Just to be clear here, I believe the 2nd amendment and gun ownership is a God-given right that shall not be infringed.

I don't have all the answer for problems associated with gun violence but, more laws isn't the answer. Enforcing the ones we have would be a good start.
 
WCH said:
Just to be clear here, I believe the 2nd amendment and gun ownership is a God-given right that shall not be infringed.

I don't have all the answer for problems associated with gun violence but, more laws isn't the answer. Enforcing the ones we have would be a good start.
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Your posts say otherwise.
 
Jerry said:
You say that, yet I bought 5 guns from FFLs last year but only own 1 gun right now. That's the exact opposite of what you're arguing here.

I think there's more to it then you realize.
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It sounds like you need to get a FFL license. How many guns do you sell a year usually?
 
iguanaman said:
It sounds like you need to get a FFL license. How many guns do you sell a year usually?
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I sold only 1 of them, and at a loss since he got a friend price.

I bought 5, have 1, sold 1. The other 3 were gifts. You see many guns bought by a few people and assume the buyer is keeping them. You have no data to support that assumption.

Even if I had sold them all, it's not how I make a living and so no FFL is required.
 
TurtleDude said:
once again, if that seller knows or has reason to know the buyer is a prohibited person, you are not correct

how many people with felony records do you think go into shows that are crawling with cops and feds and buy guns

I have attended dozens of shows. I have worked shows for a dealer I once represented. I have been there in my official capacity in the past and I have been there as a mere attendee. I have never ever attended a show without seeing at least 5 federal agents-FBI, DEA or ATF and at least a dozen uniformed and in plain clothes State or local police officers. Indeed, many cops work the shows for dealers and the shows i attend hire uniformed but off duty cops for security. at the shows I attend, they have security agents in the parking lots-to prevent thefts but also to stop dealing in the lots (i.e. they want people to buy a ticket to go into the show)
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Wow that's a lot of police presence I bet that is why they want to mandate background checks for all gun sales. They must know that gun shows are prime places for illegal gun sales. It's like a candy store for criminals and straw purchasers.


Police chiefs issue joint plea for background checks for all gun sales
Senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago link access to firearms and an uptick in homicide rates across urban areas in the United States this year.
Aware of the influence of the gun lobby, and inaction in Congress, police chiefs from across the United States are demanding universal background checks for firearms purchases, citing support from the majority of American people in opinion polls.
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Police chiefs issue joint plea for background checks for all gun sales - CSMonitor.com
 
iguanaman said:
Wow that's a lot of police presence I bet that is why they want to mandate background checks for all gun sales. They must know that gun shows are prime places for illegal gun sales. It's like a candy store for criminals and straw purchasers.




Police chiefs issue joint plea for background checks for all gun sales - CSMonitor.com
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the average cops don't want this. just the bureaucrats with their noses up the butts of Democrat politicians

Police chiefs are mainly ass kissers of mayors and city council-rather than being real cops. IN 1996, Janet Reno commissioned an extensive study that she refused to release to the public I saw it because the US Attorney in one of the districts I frequently was in, had left it in an area where I could read it. more than 89% of line police officers thought the brady bill was a waste of time-even more opposed the Clinton AWB


Find how many of those chiefs answer to a Democrat vs a Republican
 
TurtleDude said:
the average cops don't want this. just the bureaucrats with their noses up the butts of Democrat politicians

Police chiefs are mainly ass kissers of mayors and city council-rather than being real cops. IN 1996, Janet Reno commissioned an extensive study that she refused to release to the public I saw it because the US Attorney in one of the districts I frequently was in, had left it in an area where I could read it. more than 89% of line police officers thought the brady bill was a waste of time-even more opposed the Clinton AWB


Find how many of those chiefs answer to a Democrat vs a Republican
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Why is EVERTHING a partisan issue with you? Even a majority of NRA members support background checks on all gun sales. Are they mostly Democrats too?
 
iguanaman said:
Why is EVERTHING a partisan issue with you? Even a majority of NRA members support background checks on all gun sales. Are they mostly Democrats too?
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I don't care. most don't understand the real issue. and all the gun banning schemes in congress are coming from DEMOCRATS

the DEMOCRATS are the PARTY of anti freedom, and the creeping crud of collectivism

Police chiefs have zero credibility on such issues
 
iguanaman said:
Yet the number of people who own guns continues to decline. It appears that guns are like potato chips for some...you can't have just one. It makes one wonder how they keep track of all their weapons or if they even do.



http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822
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You really think this survey has any validity? You really think everyone that owns a gun is just going to tell you that they do in some survey? I sure wouldn't.
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