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What's the core purpose of gun control?[W:196]

What's the core purpose of gun control?

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haymarket said:
So we can remedy that with issuance of a title that serves for legal ownership reasons. A nominal title fee tax can be added.

There, we fixed your objection.
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Nope you did not fix anything, because we do not need a title or a title tax, interesting that for some it is always an excuse for another tax.
Pssst, I already own my guns, no title and not even Uncle Joe knows what all I have and never will. I cannot envision any American in their right mind walking down to the county tax office and filling out title forms for every gun they own and paying a tax on property they already own, only a total sheeple idiot would do anything so stupid. Not gonna happen, wrap your brain around that fact.
 
Casper said:
Nope you did not fix anything, because we do not need a title or a title tax, interesting that for some it is always an excuse for another tax.
Pssst, I already own my guns, no title and not even Uncle Joe knows what all I have and never will. I cannot envision any American in their right mind walking down to the county tax office and filling out title forms for every gun they own and paying a tax on property they already own, only a total sheeple idiot would do anything so stupid. Not gonna happen, wrap your brain around that fact.
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The American people and their duly elected government can decide otherwise. And then your objections are gone with the wind.... just like other things that some people on the right said was never gonna happen.
 
haymarket said:
The only thing too deep is the BS you are swimming in to avoid answering a direct question that you know damn well exposes your argument. Let me ask you again and see if you can honestly answer something you have dodged and evaded since it was raised:

Do you operate under the willful belief that the only people who use guns are killers, terrorists and criminals?

Can you tell us what each of those categories were before they took a gun and became a killer or a terrorist or a criminal?
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LOL, I already answered your childish question, not my fault you cannot comprehend it, some cannot see what they do not want to see. Go back and re-read what I posted or keep chasing your own tale. Know when you have lost and just move on to the next Ban The Evil Guns thread that pops up. By the way You will never win this argument, not today, not tomorrow, and not in your lifetime.
 
Casper said:
LOL, I already answered your childish question, not my fault you cannot comprehend it, some cannot see what they do not want to see. Go back and re-read what I posted or keep chasing your own tale. Know when you have lost and just move on to the next Ban The Evil Guns thread that pops up. By the way You will never win this argument, not today, not tomorrow, and not in your lifetime.
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No you did not. I ask again Do you operate under the willful belief that the only people who use guns are killers, terrorists and criminals?

Can you tell us what each of those categories were before they took a gun and became a killer or a terrorist or a criminal?
 
haymarket said:
The American people and their duly elected government can decide otherwise. And then your objections are gone with the wind.... just like other things that some people on the right said was never gonna happen.
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The American People are on My side, or don't you grasp that fact? Now if some Elected official decides they are above the Constitution there is a cure for that also, you seem to forget the words of our Founders, may they not have to be written in blood again but if that is what it takes I would suggest you arm yourself, oh wait, opps.
 
haymarket said:
No you did not. I ask again Do you operate under the willful belief that the only people who use guns are killers, terrorists and criminals?

Can you tell us what each of those categories were before they took a gun and became a killer or a terrorist or a criminal?
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"I made up nothing, you just do not like logic or facts.
No many people besides criminals operate firearms, but only criminals commit crimes with them, too deep for ya?
Most of those that commit crimes using a firearm have already committed crimes without one, you really do not know how the world works do ya"

Keep reading, go slower this time, I will repost it again and again if you need the help, baby steps......
 
haymarket said:
Do you operate under the willful belief that the only people who use guns are killers, terrorists and criminals?
Can you tell us what each of those categories were before they took a gun and became a killer or a terrorist or a criminal?
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You should stop posting this nonsense question now.

First of all, if you "believe something", it is already "willful". If you didn't believe it noone could force you to. They might force you to SAY you did but that's coercion and not willful.
Secondly, I don't think many people think that people who use guns have to fit in ANY of those 3 categories. Besides, they are too broadly painted.
Are soldiers and cops "killers"? Yes, but not in the sense you present.

I would avoid answering overly broad, obviously maliciously worded questions.
 
haymarket said:
Do you operate under the willful belief that the only people who use guns are killers, terrorists and criminals?
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No, I said people who are those things won't respect laws.

Can you tell us what each of those categories were before they took a gun and became a killer or a terrorist or a criminal?
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Obviously not.
 
Casper said:
The American People are on My side, or don't you grasp that fact? Now if some Elected official decides they are above the Constitution there is a cure for that also, you seem to forget the words of our Founders, may they not have to be written in blood again but if that is what it takes I would suggest you arm yourself, oh wait, opps.
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Really? So take an issue like universal background checks for ALL firearms purchases. Whose side are they on there?

Get real - or is that the same kind of threat of violence those whack jobs in Oregon are putting forth? You do it our way or we kill?
 
Casper said:
"I made up nothing, you just do not like logic or facts.
No many people besides criminals operate firearms, but only criminals commit crimes with them, too deep for ya?
Most of those that commit crimes using a firearm have already committed crimes without one, you really do not know how the world works do ya"

Keep reading, go slower this time, I will repost it again and again if you need the help, baby steps......
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You need comprehension help.

One question for you then - the people you claim registration will do no good with since they are "killers, terrorists and criminals". The moment before they killed or terrorized or committed a crime - what were they?

Since you and others here appear to be unable or unwilling to give an honest answer - here it is for you since you know you are going to get clobbered with reality and refuse to get trapped - THEY WERE REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. They were NOT criminals... they were NOT killers ... they were NOT terrorists ... those things came later. When the right wing gun sycophants say silly things like registration will do not good with those groups they are engaging in selective intellectual fraud pretending that these people must have been born in those three categories.

Of course they were not.

Lets jump into the future when we have a registration law that you claim will do no good.

For example - Frank Hanks - 50 year old Michigan man who one day blows his wifes brains out with his trusty hinting rifle which he has owned for thirty years. Because he is a good and honest guy, he registered it years ago under the then new national firearms registration act. He drives up north - In Michigan we love to say UP NORTH - and buries the wife near his favorite hunting spot. A year later, her remains are found and DNA and other test reveal its Mrs. Hanks. They match a bullet in the body to the type of gun registered to Frank and the police close in and close the case with that huge lead.

Again, what was Frank Hanks before he became a killer and then a criminal upon his conviction? Answer is he was a regular guy who never contemplated being a killer or criminal so he did the lawful thing and registered his gun as mandated.

So can the crap about killers and terrorists and criminals. They were not born that way and they buy guns before any of those categories are joined.
 
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haymarket said:
You need comprehension help.

One question for you then - the people you claim registration will do no good with since they are "killers, terrorists and criminals". The moment before they killed or terrorized or committed a crime - what were they?

Since you and others here appear to be unable or unwilling to give an honest answer - here it is for you since you know you are going to get clobbered with reality and refuse to get trapped - THEY WERE REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. They were NOT criminals... they were NOT killers ... they were NOT terrorists ... those things came later. When the right wing gun sycophants say silly things like registration will do not good with those groups they are engaging in selective intellectual fraud pretending that these people must have been born in those three categories.

Of course they were not.

Lets jump into the future when we have a registration law that you claim will do no good.

For example - Frank Hanks - 50 year old Michigan man who one day blows his wifes brains out with his trusty hinting rifle which he has owned for thirty years. Because he is a good and honest guy, he registered it years ago under the then new national firearms registration act. He drives up north - In Michigan we love to say UP NORTH - and buries the wife near his favorite hunting spot. A year later, her remains are found and DNA and other test reveal its Mrs. Hanks. They match a bullet in the body to the type of gun registered to Frank and the police close in and close the case with that huge lead.

Again, what was Frank Hanks before he became a killer and then a criminal upon his conviction? Answer is he was a regular guy who never contemplated being a killer or criminal so he did the lawful thing and registered his gun as mandated.

So can the crap about killers and terrorists and criminals. They were not born that way and they buy guns before any of those categories are joined.
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So disarm everyone, well the ones you just don't know about like those that are not career criminals because one of them might be mentally ill and use his gun to shoot someone, yes that is what you really want, and I bet you feel it will make you so much safer. By the way, Frank would have been caught anyway, way more evidence than that existed and the bullet can still be traced back to the Main suspect, the husband always is when the wife disappears, chances are he still has his favorite gun but just knowing he owned one like it does not enough to convict anyone. Nice story, but the truth of the matter is it is not the Franks of the world you need to be wary of. Registration laws or even outright bans would not change much of anything, those that use firearms most often in a crime were already criminals and had already committed other crimes, people rarely "snap" and go from good Citizens straight to being Murderers, but hey that des not fit your agenda so let's just ignore those facts. Now back to whatever it is you are doing, I believe your argument has runs its full circular circumference. Have Fun
Oh wait, almost forgot something, pssst, I am not right wing, been label a Liberal all my life, so much for something else you know noting about.
 
haymarket said:
Placing a quote around a statement and including it with the other posters words in endeed CLAIMING IT IS THEIR WORDS. That is what you did. It is dishonest and you cannot be trusted.
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They were my words as already explained. How many times must it be repeated before it sinks in? My guess at least six or seven as the comprehension level is incredibly low

Get lost you were told it was a mistake that was not corrected and as it is your incredible inability to comprehend or pretend not to comprehend in order to tar brush and execute by innuendo I'm done with such stupidity. I have no idea of your ability to comprehend but it seriously needs work.

Trust is earned on provable deeds and lying certainly builds no trust or credibility. You even got that wrong.
 
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haymarket said:
You need comprehension help.

One question for you then - the people you claim registration will do no good with since they are "killers, terrorists and criminals". The moment before they killed or terrorized or committed a crime - what were they?

Since you and others here appear to be unable or unwilling to give an honest answer - here it is for you since you know you are going to get clobbered with reality and refuse to get trapped - THEY WERE REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. They were NOT criminals... they were NOT killers ... they were NOT terrorists ... those things came later. When the right wing gun sycophants say silly things like registration will do not good with those groups they are engaging in selective intellectual fraud pretending that these people must have been born in those three categories.

Of course they were not.
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Well well look here truth for once. Yes they are regular people and NOBODY can tell who is going to do what tomorrow. Innocent until proven guilty.

Lets jump into the future when we have a registration law that you claim will do no good.

For example - Frank Hanks - 50 year old Michigan man who one day blows his wifes brains out with his trusty hinting rifle which he has owned for thirty years. Because he is a good and honest guy, he registered it years ago under the then new national firearms registration act. He drives up north - In Michigan we love to say UP NORTH - and buries the wife near his favorite hunting spot. A year later, her remains are found and DNA and other test reveal its Mrs. Hanks. They match a bullet in the body to the type of gun registered to Frank and the police close in and close the case with that huge lead.
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Funny that has not happened once in 64 years of Canada's hand gun registry and the so-called bullet fingerprinting is a PROVEN farce.

Again, what was Frank Hanks before he became a killer and then a criminal upon his conviction? Answer is he was a regular guy who never contemplated being a killer or criminal so he did the lawful thing and registered his gun as mandated.
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Which does not help solve crime as shown by the Canadian register, New Zealand register......

So can the crap about killers and terrorists and criminals. They were not born that way and they buy guns before any of those categories are joined.
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Citation needed only about 10% obtain a gun through legal means. Registration will not help, it simply will eliminate the premeditated legal purchase if anyone was that stupid. Murder is by the majority a crime of passion. Registration is not needed in such cases. Where it is needed criminals are not stupid enough to leave the gun behind or traceable.
 
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What is he significance of a crime committed with a gun or without but some other means of inducing obedience and fear in the victim?
 
Casper said:
So disarm everyone, well the ones you just don't know about like those that are not career criminals because one of them might be mentally ill and use his gun to shoot someone, yes that is what you really want, and I bet you feel it will make you so much safer. By the way, Frank would have been caught anyway, way more evidence than that existed and the bullet can still be traced back to the Main suspect, the husband always is when the wife disappears, chances are he still has his favorite gun but just knowing he owned one like it does not enough to convict anyone. Nice story, but the truth of the matter is it is not the Franks of the world you need to be wary of. Registration laws or even outright bans would not change much of anything, those that use firearms most often in a crime were already criminals and had already committed other crimes, people rarely "snap" and go from good Citizens straight to being Murderers, but hey that des not fit your agenda so let's just ignore those facts. Now back to whatever it is you are doing, I believe your argument has runs its full circular circumference. Have Fun
Oh wait, almost forgot something, pssst, I am not right wing, been label a Liberal all my life, so much for something else you know noting about.
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I give you specifics and you give me coulda woulda shoulda. Amazing.
 
Crimefree said:
They were my words as already explained. How many times must it be repeated before it sinks in? My guess at least six or seven as the comprehension level is incredibly low

Get lost you were told it was a mistake that was not corrected and as it is your incredible inability to comprehend or pretend not to comprehend in order to tar brush and execute by innuendo I'm done with such stupidity. I have no idea of your ability to comprehend but it seriously needs work.

Trust is earned on provable deeds and lying certainly builds no trust or credibility. You even got that wrong.
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You simply cannot be trusted because of your posts and have proven that.
 
haymarket said:
I give you specifics and you give me coulda woulda shoulda. Amazing.
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No, what is amazing is that you so often talk about a topic you obviously know little about and ignore any facts that do not match your agenda. As I said your argument has runs is circular course and unless you have something new to add I would say you are done adding to the discussion with me.
 
Casper said:
No, what is amazing is that you so often talk about a topic you obviously know little about and ignore any facts that do not match your agenda. As I said your argument has runs is circular course and unless you have something new to add I would say you are done adding to the discussion with me.
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I see the attack - but where is any factual refutation?
 
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Only because I have become jaded to the point where it all comes down to money IMO. I think there must be a profit for some one somewhere to "control" or "fight" firearms.
Aside from that, I don't trust our Government to tell me simple truths much less control all of the weapons.
 
haymarket said:
I see the attack - but where is any factual refutation?
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So sorry: Your allocated time with Casper has run out on this topic, please try again on another topic.
Have a Nice Day:2wave:
 
Casper said:
So sorry: Your allocated time with Casper has run out on this topic, please try again on another topic.
Have a Nice Day:2wave:
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Best news I have heard all day.
 
haymarket said:
Best news I have heard all day.
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Then you will be overjoyed to know it was also made a Global change across the board for all topics.
Enjoy:2dance:
 
Casper said:
Then you will be overjoyed to know it was also made a Global change across the board for all topics.
Enjoy:2dance:
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Knock yourself out. :2wave:
 
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