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The cases of Gun Violence in the past 72 hours in the United States[W:64]

Thrilla said:
interesting worldview you have there..... most folks understand that acting in self defense is justifiable violence and it's considered "good"....

and here's where you explain why you believe defending yourself is bad.....in 3...2....1... go
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I am beginning to wonder if his worldview is from the inside of a middle school locker....
 
Thrilla said:
interesting worldview you have there..... most folks understand that acting in self defense is justifiable violence and it's considered "good"....

and here's where you explain why you believe defending yourself is bad.....in 3...2....1... go
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Uh, me first:

And here's where you failed to answer the question - why is violence good?

I mean you think it is, so your answer must be a doosy.
 
jet57 said:
Uh, me first:

And here's where you failed to answer the question - why is violence good?

I mean you think it is, so your answer must be a doosy.
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Why is all violence bad? If you can justify that statement it must be a doozy. Violence is neither good or bad. That is determined by the intent of the person behind the violence.
 
BretJ said:
Why is all violence bad? If you can justify that statement it must be a doozy. Violence is neither good or bad. That is determined by the intent of the person behind the violence.
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Why is all violence bad?
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Very telling...

Why is all violence bad...hmmm -- Child gets shot by gun. Man gets shot by gun. Child gets run over by car. Man gets run over by car. Man hits child. Man hits man.

Which of those acts of violence is good?
 
jet57 said:
Very telling...

Why is all violence bad...hmmm -- Child gets shot by gun. Man gets shot by gun. Child gets run over by car. Man gets run over by car. Man hits child. Man hits man.

Which of those acts of violence is good?
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Man getting shot by gun (by his son) was in process of beating wife to death....man hits man defending young woman from rapist. I guess you would stand by and allow it to happen because you do not believe in violence. So how do your examples support your assertion that all violence is bad?
 
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What?

No toaster in the bathtub?

And only 300 cases out of, oh, i don't know, 318 MILLION PEOPLE?

Yeah, sure. it's time to throw the toaster in the bathtub.
 
joG said:
What is shocking is how badly the country's systems of education and socialization have run amuck. Of course, thinking that guns are the reason is part of the problem. We have been allowing simplistic thinking of that type drive policies and are now seeing the consequences of 5 decades of social engineering.
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Social engineering.......by liberals, mostly Democraps!

IB daMann said:
I agree with Confucius. We should make a concerted effort to call things by their proper name:

Instead of obscuring the issue with the dishonest term "gun violence"...we should use the proper name: "Criminal Violence." This way we don't lump armed self defense in with crimes committed with a firearm, and we can instead properly associate any criminal violence committed with a gun with all other intentional violence committed with a baseball bat, a knife, a chainsaw, steel pipe, lug wrench, brass knuckles, etc..

Instead of glamorizing a debilitating mental issue, we should not use the term "gun control activist." Instead we should use the clearer term "Gun Craven" or "Hoplophobe."

The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name. - Confucius

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Well said sir! :thumbs:

Lutherf said:
Did you bother to look at the circumstances of these incidents?

I just looked at the first few and 3 of 5 were home invasions. One was an accidental discharge. One appears to be a drive by and one just says "two victims" with no additional information. With the exception of the AD they are all acts by CRIMINALS and PERPETRATED ON THE INNOCENT. If anything a list like this reinforces the reasons to own and carry a weapon for self defense.
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Big time!;)

DVSentinel said:
So, lets see 300 divided by 330,000,000 equals .000000909, move the decimal two places giving us .0000909 % of us population affected.
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A statistic so infinitesimal and to be insignificant.
 
imyoda said:
You are saying all gun violence is causes totally by criminals................REALLY....I doubt if Confucius would agree...................But more so.............I believe if you check the web site cited I believe you will find the definition of gun violence they used in gathering the data..........

But more so.....and on point................(1) it is shocking IMHO of the number of gun violence event occurring over a 72 hour period in the USA...............

And that being so.................(2) don't you feel a sense of duty.............responsibility to see if this violence can be lessened?
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1) This is not new....I submit that this is likely a typical day in America for probably the last 150 years or so ......just a lot more reporting going on. And I suspect, that unreported incidents are double of what is reported.

2) No. We cannot police the USA, not our job.........and liberal activist judges and liberal activist community organizers, sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong, are cause for a lot of this .......allowing bad behavior.
Taking God out of the schools and corporal punishment away from parents and teachers, has led to this crap!

I came to the conclusion years ago, that it all boils down to respect. Citizens not allowed to command respect from juvenile pipsqueaks, sends a message to said pipsqueak, that they can do whatever the **** they want.....and they do!
They turn into adults if they live long enough...and they are the same spoiled, undisciplined punks, they were as kids!
 
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imyoda said:
That is the way you see it......you have the right to protect yourself and family....................but what of the several hundred others?
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What hundreds would that be? The Darwin Award winners? Those who don't use their common sense and are not aware of their surroundings and don't practice vigilance when traveling? Who are they?

imyoda said:
An other one who thinks all gun violence is caused totally by criminals...................Don't you see a problem with believing that?
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Not really, since most or all of it is......Criminals that commit gun violence....others defend themselves or have accidents. The gun is merely another tool to respect.

imyoda said:
:roll:
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And yet...he's right!

You apparently have a predisposition for error.
 
DVSentinel said:
How many would be victims if they defended themselves. And no, criminals killed do not count. That is one problem with the "gun violence" statistics. Hell, according to one site, Oklahoma had gun death rate of 14.4/100000, yet a homicide rate of only 4.5/100000 in 2014. Not all "gun violence" is bad. Not all killings with guns are bad.

Using numbers like you gave only encourages gun laws whose sole affect is to reduce peoples ability to defend themselves.
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Ditto!

Thrilla said:
humans, as it turns out, are violent animals sometimes, nearly all of us, in fact..... that's a fact ya might want to get used to someday, because it hasn't changed since Humans first came into existence, nor will it change ...ever.

there will be no utopia where violence is a thing of the past.


so at the end of the day... i'm not shocked.. at all.
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Ditto!
 
BretJ said:
Man getting shot by gun (by his son) was in process of beating wife to death....man hits man defending young woman from rapist. I guess you would stand by and allow it to happen because you do not believe in violence. So how do your examples support your assertion that all violence is bad?
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I guess you would stand by and allow it to happen because you do not believe in violence
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It's the ridiculousness of you posts that brings this conversation to end.
 
jet57 said:
How is an act of violence committed with a gun anything else BUT gun violence? Your attempt to separate the two is not reasonable or factual.
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See below.

Thrilla said:
so do you believe all gun violence is bad?... or do you believe some gun violence is good and proper?

if you're like 99.9% of humanity in believing some gun violence is good and proper, then there's no reason to lump it together with the bad gun violence.
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Correct!

jet57 said:
Someone getting injured or killed by a gun - is not bad?

man

"Violence is good and proper"...


No wonder the world dislikes us.
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Sometimes violence is good and proper. Like in self defense. Some people just need killing. I have personally met several of those. If you haven't, I'd say your ill equipped to argue on this thread!
And frankly Scarlet, I don't give a rip who likes us! If you are so damn worried about it....move to a country where you will be petted!
 
BretJ said:
I am beginning to wonder if his worldview is from the inside of a middle school locker....
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I mentioned that yesterday......about how his juvenile attitude here....seems boyish and naive.
 
Thrilla said:
so do you believe all gun violence is bad?... or do you believe some gun violence is good and proper?

if you're like 99.9% of humanity in believing some gun violence is good and proper, then there's no reason to lump it together with the bad gun violence.
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jet57 said:
Uh, me first:

And here's where you failed to answer the question - why is violence good?

I mean you think it is, so your answer must be a doosy.
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To save your ass!

jet57 said:
Very telling...

Why is all violence bad...hmmm -- Child gets shot by gun. Man gets shot by gun. Child gets run over by car. Man gets run over by car. Man hits child. Man hits man.

Which of those acts of violence is good?
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12 year old girl brutally raped by street thug......street thug shot and killed by armed citizen....Good and correct action...and necessary!
 
jet57 said:
It's the ridiculousness of you posts that brings this conversation to end.
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Nawwwwww...you get the prize for ridiculous....don't try and swap it out with others!
 
jet57 you are clearly not up to the task of misdirecting the thread tonight.
 
jet57 said:
It's the ridiculousness of you posts that brings this conversation to end.
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Give up so soon? I gave examples that have actually occured where violence was used to achieve something good. You have yet to prove all violence is a bad thing I am beginning to think you are part some sort of middle school debate team project.
 
MickeyW said:
See below.



Correct!



Sometimes violence is good and proper. Like in self defense. Some people just need killing. I have personally met several of those. If you haven't, I'd say your ill equipped to argue on this thread!
And frankly Scarlet, I don't give a rip who likes us! If you are so damn worried about it....move to a country where you will be petted!
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Sometimes violence is good and proper
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There is no such thing.
 
MickeyW said:
To save your ass!



12 year old girl brutally raped by street thug......street thug shot and killed by armed citizen....Good and correct action...and necessary!
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Asked an answered.

There is something wrong with a psychology that believes that violence is good. The right-wing suffers a great deal from this abhorent anti-social world view and as the right-wing influence spirals downward there is hope for US.
 
MickeyW said:
Nawwwwww...you get the prize for ridiculous....don't try and swap it out with others!
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You said:
I guess you would stand by and allow it to happen because you do not believe in violence
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That is blatant misrepresentation of what I have been saying and therefore is a straw man of epic proportions. As a completely ridiculous untruth, it will stand as an example of what is wrong with America.
 
MickeyW said:
jet57 you are clearly not up to the task of misdirecting the thread tonight.
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The personal attack. A clear sign of frustration at not being able to beat your opponent in argumentation.
 
imyoda said:
The cases of Gun Violence in the past 72 hours in the United States
Last 72 Hours | Gun Violence Archive

300+ cases...................shocking
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Many of these "cases" are nothing more than violent morons being violent morons. No mention of motive, perp or source of weapon used. As such, they offer little, if any, relevant points for discussion unless your point is that guns are occasionally abused by morons. Out of about 300 million guns about 300 were used in "cases" of violence in that three day period - that fact that one in million cars nationwide resulted in injury or death, over a three day period, would never be cause for alarm.

I offer a case (first gun death) from your source as a "typiical" example:

Man dies in Hilltop shooting | The Columbus Dispatch
 
jet57 said:
Asked an answered.

There is something wrong with a psychology that believes that violence is good. The right-wing suffers a great deal from this abhorent anti-social world view and as the right-wing influence spirals downward there is hope for US.
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In case you did not realize it, violence is the basis of all law. Non compliance with any law will result in violence on the part of the government. Are you saying that violence on behalf of the government is not justified/good? Perhaps you confuse good with justified.
 
How is any of this 'shocking'? We have been pointing out here for at least 5 years how anti-gun trolls and liberal hack politicians have ignored the day to day violence to only focus on the occasional sensational incident with the right kind of victim and most importantly the right kind of shooter. Hell...they spent 10 months ignoring 9000 dead people, mosltly minorities, in every major dem controlled city in the country perpetrated by minority killers and hundreds of thousands of violent attacks of all nature in between the Trayvon Martin and Sandy Hook shootings.

Shocking? Who the hell is shocked about any of this?
 
350 million people in the United States? Got to remember that.
 
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