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Supreme Court Allows Gun Ban[W:190]

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Crimefree said:
To fix a problem there has to be causal relationship. It is totally idiotic to try to cure flu by putting up the price of beans.

So to validate your claim where is the causal relationship between the level of firearm ownership and crime? While you are at it why not explain how guns cause crime as well.

I would dearly like the answers to these two question which to date no gun control advocate can or has answered.
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People with guns are killing Americans every day of the week. Open a newspaper.
 
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Crimefree said:
You are not seeing the real benefit, public safety is being increased. People are now less fearful of going out knowing criminals have met their match.

Gun control would have us return to where criminals rule the roost.
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Yep, and thus would help prove (justify?) the need for even more gun control. ;)
 
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WCH said:
Right...I'm sure the criminals will comply with this law on the way out to Highland Park for some target practice.

Funny how they are willing to cede power to the state/municipalities for this, yet they will not also give them power over other issues. [i.e. abortion, SSM, etc] A little consistency here would be nice.
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I kinda see the similarity between SSM and gun violence.
 
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WCH said:
Right...I'm sure the criminals will comply with this law on the way out to Highland Park for some target practice.

Funny how they are willing to cede power to the state/municipalities for this, yet they will not also give them power over other issues. [i.e. abortion, SSM, etc] A little consistency here would be nice.
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Like criminals are the main source of gun violence.................when in fact its that law abiding citizen who most often becomes a "criminal" after he/she pulls the trigger
 
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Heinrich said:
The Supreme Court made a mistake when it decided to disregard the well regulated militia condition of the 2nd Amendment in deciding to allow any Tom, Dick, or Harry to live among normal peaceful citizens while owning a lethal arsenal. It needs to reverse that original judgement and the problem of gun violence in American culture can be fixed.
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you prove you have no clue about the bill of rights. there is no well regulated militia condition imposed on a right that the founders believed pre-existed government's existence

the founders NEVER GAVE the federal government any power to regulate firearms. PERIOD

you banners want the government to be able to ban guns so you pretend its constitutional

its intellectual dishonesty at its worst
 
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Crimefree said:
Where in the constitution is the power given to breech the 2nd. I'd like the exact words.
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the greatest intellectual dishonesty in American Jurisprudence is that the people who whine that the original intent of the constitution was only for the militia to have arms (Senile Former Justice Stevens for example) then say that the activist expansion of the commerce clause-which until the turd FDR changed it did not allow congressional control over individual citizens-was the proper grounds for regulating small arms

there never was any intention for the federal government to regulate privately owned arms and everyone who actually studies the constitution knows that. The banoids are just too dishonest to admit its a fiction that the commerce clause allows that

and people like Scalia are complicit in that fraud because if they struck down the commerce clause's illegitimate expansion, they would have to get rid of crap like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc etc

so they engage in intellectual dishonesty with firearms laws at a federal level lest the entire fraud of the new deal comes tumbling down
 
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imyoda said:
Like criminals are the main source of gun violence.................when in fact its that law abiding citizen who most often becomes a "criminal" after he/she pulls the trigger
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more falsehoods

80% of all gun violence or more is perpetrated by people who already have felony records and cannot even legally possess a gun.

Dishonesty is the banoid movement's main stock in trade
 
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Heinrich said:
I do not live in the USA and am not in the Home Guard.
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tell me why your opinion on our laws has any relevance? other than perhaps the best tennis player in History, what exactly does Spain have that merits me to care?
 
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Joe Steel said:
What about the third amendment? Do you think the military would want to quarter soldiers in private residences?
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So you think the 3rd doesn't merit equal standing with the rest simply because the military currently sees no need to quarter soldiers in people's home during peacetime?

Firstly that could change at any time. Secondly the 3rd and 4th combined essentially implement the common law notion of the Castle Doctrine and as such form the basis of our right to privacy. It's a much more consequential right that many people understand.
 
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Crimefree said:
You are not seeing the real benefit, public safety is being increased. People are now less fearful of going out knowing criminals have met their match.

Gun control would have us return to where criminals rule the roost.
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Please don't misuse statistics like that. Just because gun ownership has risen at a time when crime has fallen means nothing of itself. It takes a lot more work that merely seeing two trends to say that one caused the other.
 
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Heinrich said:
People with guns are killing Americans every day of the week. Open a newspaper.
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There are 300 million firearms in private hands in the United States. In any given year there are approximately 11,000 homicides in the United States. Since homicide also includes legal killings that means there are probably less than 11,000 illegal gun killings a year. Over the 50 years that someone might own a firearm that means that odds of a particular firearm being used illegally is a bit over 1 in 600 or about a one tenth of one percent chance that my legally owned handguns will be used in an illegal killing. The actual percentage is actually much smaller for legally owned firearms since legal firearm owners usually don't commit crimes.

As for so called Assault Weapons they are used in less than one tenth of one percent of all homicides.

America is somewhat more violent than many other 1st world countries. Legal firearm availability has almost nothing to do with that.
 
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TurtleDude said:
more falsehoods

80% of all gun violence or more is perpetrated by people who already have felony records and cannot even legally possess a gun.

Dishonesty is the banoid movement's main stock in trade
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You really have to believe that kind of baloney to justify believing that guns don't kill folks more than auto accidents.....................Now please offer me that mindless argument............why then is no one asking to ban cars
 
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imyoda said:
You really have to believe that kind of baloney to justify believing that guns don't kill folks more than auto accidents.....................Now please offer me that mindless argument............why then is no one asking to ban cars
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you are changing the issue dishonestly

Most killings with guns are suicides

after that-the vast majority are felons or those with felony equivalent juvenile records killing people with felony records

no one is trying to ban cars because car owners are not perceived by socialists and progressives such as you as being something mainly owned by conservatives. Liberals are not anti car because the American Automobile Association and the makers of cars are not big Supporters of the GOP
 
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TurtleDude said:
you are changing the issue dishonestly

Most killings with guns are suicides

after that-the vast majority are felons or those with felony equivalent juvenile records killing people with felony records

no one is trying to ban cars because car owners are not perceived by socialists and progressives such as you as being something mainly owned by conservatives. Liberals are not anti car because the American Automobile Association and the makers of cars are not big Supporters of the GOP
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IN a sub-group this is correct......... and provides a strong argument for more common sense gun regulation...............and you're attempt to classify "liberals" as some amorphous group who think, act, feel the same ...................a tactics used by Joseph Goebbels to stereotype the Jews...........so you think you know "all about those liberals" is reprehensible and does not reflect well on your critical thinking skills......

BTW

All of your "explanations of "why" are not supported by fact and appear to be.......nothing more than off the top and made up arguments ............empty noise
 
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Joe Steel said:
To the gun cult's satisfaction, perhaps, but reality remains for the rest of us.
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I feel the same about abortion and SSM. Thing is, those can be changed peacefully.
 
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imyoda said:
Like criminals are the main source of gun violence.................when in fact its that law abiding citizen who most often becomes a "criminal" after he/she pulls the trigger
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I think not. Cite your sources.
 
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I moved away from Chicago and illinois partly because of draconian laws. No wonder people are fleeing the state. Between ridicules taxes and even more restrictive and unjust laws.
 
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imyoda said:
Like criminals are the main source of gun violence.................when in fact its that law abiding citizen who most often becomes a "criminal" after he/she pulls the trigger
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I have not been a police officer in Illinois for many years. I can however say that is absolute hogwash and hyperbole of the worst and most dishonest kind.
 
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Joe Steel said:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Tenth Amendment
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The 2nd amendment prohibits the states from infringing the right to bear arms. Thus the 10th does not apply.
 
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Heinrich said:
People with guns are killing Americans every day of the week. Open a newspaper.
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And just as often with something else, or most often, nothing:

Between 1993 and 2001, about 26%
(or an annual average of 2.3 million) of
the estimated 8.9 million violent crimes
in the United States were committed by
offenders armed with guns, knives, or
objects used as weapons. Firearm
violence accounted for 10% of all
violent crimes; about 6% were committed
with a knife or other sharp object
such as scissors, ice pick, or broken
bottle; 4% with blunt objects such as a
brick, bat, or bottle; and 5% were
committed with unspecified/ ”other”
objects used as weapons.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/wuvc01.pdf
 
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imyoda said:
IN a sub-group this is correct......... and provides a strong argument for more common sense gun regulation...............and you're attempt to classify "liberals" as some amorphous group who think, act, feel the same ...................a tactics used by Joseph Goebbels to stereotype the Jews...........so you think you know "all about those liberals" is reprehensible and does not reflect well on your critical thinking skills......

BTW

All of your "explanations of "why" are not supported by fact and appear to be.......nothing more than off the top and made up arguments ............empty noise
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Common sense gun regulation-punishing those who illegally harm others with guns and jailing for treason politicians who try to infringe on our rights.

your arguments are devoid of "common sense" or any understanding of firearms
 
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WCH said:
I think not. Cite your sources.
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Why not ask the Rev............He cited FRBT which said only 1% of criminals figured in gun violence...................

Please don't tell us you believe the 35,000+ folks.......except for a few........... suffering from gun violence by criminals last year.........Does the NRA have you mine so fried you believe that................"just get them criminals off the street and all will be well"..................REALLY NOW
 
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imyoda said:
Why not ask the Rev............He cited FRBT which said only 1% of criminals figured in gun violence...................

Please don't tell us you believe the 35,000+ folks.......except for a few........... suffering from gun violence by criminals last year.........Does the NRA have you mine so fried you believe that................"just get them criminals off the street and all will be well"..................REALLY NOW
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No...you replied to me.
 
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Black Dog said:
I have not been a police officer in Illinois for many years. I can however say that is absolute hogwash and hyperbole of the worst and most dishonest kind.
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How is that? Have lots of experience when a gun gets into the hands of a child who then shoots someone... where is the hogwash there?.................and some one is not brought up on charges? or a husband (once a law abiding citizen beats his wife and then shoots her? Is this the type of hyperbole you speak of...................Or is all you experience being a peace officer has been in traffic duty/


BTW

Thank you for your service...............a service to our communities which is under-appreciated and a service rewarded with substandard pay............Thank the good Lord for folks like yourself who feel the need to serve


Where's the hog wash
 
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TurtleDude said:
Common sense gun regulation-punishing those who illegally harm others with guns and jailing for treason politicians who try to infringe on our rights.

your arguments are devoid of "common sense" or any understanding of firearms
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When you talk of "treasonous" politicians and have no idea of what common sense is./why is there any need to reply...............that type of thinking is of zealots............ where zealots are known for their loud voices and closed minds
 
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