Harvard University Study Reveals Astonishing Link Between Firearms, Crime and Gun Con

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iguanaman said:

I am constantly amazed how normally logical people can't understand that having a deadly weapon or weapons laying around might cause you or someone you love to get shot by one of them.

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I have a whole cutlery block full of razor-sharp knives. Should I be freaking out over those?
How about my old aluminum baseball bats? Those could cause some severe blunt force trauma.
Whoa...I better watch out with that lawnmower I drag out every two weeks in the summer. That sucker's gotta helluva sharp blade on it!

That gun is around you and your family everyday and there are dozens of things that could happen.

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My wife could slip on a banana peel and break her neck. Is that banana peel a "deadly weapon?" How about the pavement during an ice storm?

Just remember that your "peace of mind" is not without a risk far greater than the chances of your gun "saving" you in a home invasion.

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Getting out of bed in the morning is not without a risk. Your whole argument is based on extremism and hysterics. Come back down to Earth.

Where were Obama's brownshirts while that kook in California was making dozens of pipe bombs? Maybe there should be a three-day waiting list for purchasing plumbing pipe and conduit? Maybe farmers should have to get carry/conceal licenses for purchasing fertilizer? Uh oh...what if you had to go to an arms dealer to get that next set of steak knives?

Maybe we should all just be forced by our government to live in little hamster bubbles?

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Velvet Elvis said:

I have a whole cutlery block full of razor-sharp knives. Should I be freaking out over those?
How about my old aluminum baseball bats? Those could cause some severe blunt force trauma.
Whoa...I better watch out with that lawnmower I drag out every two weeks in the summer. That sucker's gotta helluva sharp blade on it!


My wife could slip on a banana peel and break her neck. Is that banana peel a "deadly weapon?" How about the pavement during an ice storm?


Getting out of bed in the morning is not without a risk. Your whole argument is based on extremism and hysterics. Come back down to Earth.

Where were Obama's brownshirts while that kook in California was making dozens of pipe bombs? Maybe there should be a three-day waiting list for purchasing plumbing pipe and conduit? Maybe farmers should have to get carry/conceal licenses for purchasing fertilizer? Uh oh...what if you had to go to an arms dealer to get that next set of steak knives?

Maybe we should all just be forced by our government to live in little hamster bubbles?

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The answer is no. Knifes and even sporting goods like crossbows have not been shown to increase the likelihood of suicide or homicide like owning a gun has. It is one of those inconvienient truths I know. With something so obviously logically correct as well as being backed up by data a better rebuttal would be that you just do not care if it increases the risk of suicide or homicide of my family members because I would own guns anyway. Please keep trigger locks on all you weapons at least. I realize it could be Darwinian and I shouldn't interfere but there are countless family members that would be alive today if they only had put trigger locks on all their guns. And make sure you have the only key.

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iguanaman said:

The answer is no. Knifes and even sporting goods like crossbows have not been shown to increase the likelihood of suicide or homicide like owning a gun has. It is one of those inconvienient truths I know. With something so obviously logically correct as well as being backed up by data a better rebuttal would be that you just do not care if it increases the risk of suicide or homicide of my family members because I would own guns anyway. Please keep trigger locks on all you weapons at least. I realize it could be Darwinian and I shouldn't interfere but there are countless family members that would be alive today if they only had put trigger locks on all their guns. And make sure you have the only key.

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Wow. Show me the data that correlates the desire to commit murder or suicide with owning a firearm. If that is the case, it only causes that in .001% percent of the population of 120,000,000 gun owners. Jack Daniels increases the likelihood someone will even try to commit suicide by firearm or any other method. Pretty inconsiderate to have alcohol in the home knowing your family members will become alcoholic or kill a family while DUI. I know its Darwinian but daterape with alcohol is the only way some guys can get a little loving..

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Jack Daniels is a dangerous weapon???? Oh, crap.

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BretJ said:

Wow. Show me the data that correlates the desire to commit murder or suicide with owning a firearm. If that is the case, it only causes that in .001% percent of the population of 120,000,000 gun owners. Jack Daniels increases the likelihood someone will even try to commit suicide by firearm or any other method. Pretty inconsiderate to have alcohol in the home knowing your family members will become alcoholic or kill a family while DUI. I know its Darwinian but daterape with alcohol is the only way some guys can get a little loving..

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if the banoid movement believed that most jack daniels purchasers were republicans and that the American Distillery lobby gave millions each year to conservative candidates, the banoids would sound like prohibitionists of the 20s

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Velvet Elvis said:

Jack Daniels is a dangerous weapon???? Oh, crap.

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Especially when served up in a military grade, high power, high capacity red cup.

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joG said:

That, my friend, is not politically very correct in Obama's and the NYT's America.

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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Up-a their ****ing ass with mobil gas!

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joG said:

And this seems a very good argument against registration of arms:

"“Gun owners across America reading this right now will say: ‘Well, duh!’” writes Michael Snyder. Even so, the California state legislature recently approved $24 million to expedite the confiscation of 40,000 handguns and assault weapons purchased legally, according to the Huffington Post. Gun registration records are being used to seize those California guns from owners who legally purchased and registered the guns – but who the state of California has now decided pose a risk to public safety.

“We are fortunate in California to have the first and only system in the nation that tracks and identifies individuals who at one time made legal purchases of firearms but are now barred from possessing them,” said Senator Mark Leno (D-San Francisco)."

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It sure does!

mac said:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

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Thank you !

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mac said:

I don't think you read it...

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I've read a couple of times and it provides no cause and effect, just a piss poor two paralleling lines a graph style of pseudo-research. I believe that the point the study was trying to make is correct, but accepting something just because I want to think that it's accurate is a path I won't head down. There needs to be a real study done that shows the cause and effect and not just one that focuses on similarities.

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faithful_servant said:

I've read a couple of times and it provides no cause and effect, just a piss poor two paralleling lines a graph style of pseudo-research. I believe that the point the study was trying to make is correct, but accepting something just because I want to think that it's accurate is a path I won't head down. There needs to be a real study done that shows the cause and effect and not just one that focuses on similarities.

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I really think you have it confused with something else....this isn't just another reiteration of more guns=more crime. It's actually saying the opposite is true, though I agree, not sufficiently.