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13 Y/O boy fends off two armed home invaders - killing one

CanadaJohn said:
Did you give this one minute's thought?

Summerville South Carolina doesn't seem like the ghetto to me.

* predominantly white 73%
* 93% highschool graduate or higher
* 30% bachelors degree or higher
* 10% of the population veterans
* home ownership 63%
* median home value $180,000
* median household income $55,000
* persons below poverty level 11.5%

Summerville (town) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Compared to the rest of South Carolina, this seems to me to be a fairly well off part of the state with the numbers above being significantly higher than those for the rest of the state.

I don't know the circumstances of this family. But I stand by my statement that if I lived in a neighbourhood where my 13 yr old child needed a loaded gun to protect himself if left home alone, I wouldn't leave him home alone.
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What anybody else has or does is irrelevant.
 
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't know what kind of a neighbourhood you live in, but if I lived in a neighbourhood where a 13 yr old who was left alone required a loaded firearm to protect himself I sure as hell wouldn't be leaving that child alone and unsupervised.
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So you can tell which neighborhoods are dangerous and which ones aren't? Using your crystal ball again?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Did you give this one minute's thought?
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Did you? Because the stats you provided seem to point to Summerville as being a pretty safe place.

CanadaJohn said:
Summerville South Carolina doesn't seem like the ghetto to me.

* predominantly white 73%
* 93% highschool graduate or higher
* 30% bachelors degree or higher
* 10% of the population veterans
* home ownership 63%
* median home value $180,000
* median household income $55,000
* persons below poverty level 11.5%

Summerville (town) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Compared to the rest of South Carolina, this seems to me to be a fairly well off part of the state with the numbers above being significantly higher than those for the rest of the state.

I don't know the circumstances of this family. But I stand by my statement that if I lived in a neighbourhood where my 13 yr old child needed a loaded gun to protect himself if left home alone, I wouldn't leave him home alone.
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Then what can you infer from this home invasion?

How about you can never predict where or when crime might show up on your door step, or even in your kitchen?

Be prepared...
 
Crimefree said:
What anybody else has or does is irrelevant.
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It was a direct response to your claim that they probably couldn't afford to have someone look after the child. I appreciate you find the data irrelevant because it blows your point out of the water.
 
VanceMack said:
Restful. Nice! These people are sleeping peacefully now too....
Police say pastor’s wife, killed in home invasion, was raped by killer | myfox8.com
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Columbus Police Search For Suspect In Home Invasion Rape | WBNS-10TV Columbus, Ohio
Teen Arrested for Stabbing Elderly Woman, Home Invasion | WNEP.com
Tarrant police arrest suspect in home invasion, rape
http://www.longislandpress.com/2015/10/19/ridge-man-accused-of-raping-home-invasion-victim/
http://fox59.com/2013/11/04/documen...ils-of-home-invasion-robbery-sexual-assaults/

But hey...at least they dont have to worry about the trauma of shooting someone.
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All of which is irrelevant to the point that if a 13 yr old needs to be armed with a loaded gun in order to stay home alone, he shouldn't be staying home alone.

I appreciate common sense doesn't fit your agenda, but hey, at least you don't have to worry about this particular 13 yr old.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065275554 said:
So you can tell which neighborhoods are dangerous and which ones aren't? Using your crystal ball again?
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No crystal ball. And your smart ass comments add nothing to the discussion. What does logic tell you about a 13 yr old requiring access to a loaded gun when left home alone? Does providing a child with a loaded gun make you feel like you've got crystal balls?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065275596 said:
Did you? Because the stats you provided seem to point to Summerville as being a pretty safe place.



Then what can you infer from this home invasion?

How about you can never predict where or when crime might show up on your door step, or even in your kitchen?

Be prepared...
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I see reading comprehension isn't the forte of the "arm the children" class. In case you missed it, I posted the stats for the benefit of a poster who claimed maybe this family was too poor to be able to afford to hire someone to look after their child.

Any other ignorant comments you'd like to toss out?
 
CanadaJohn said:
All of which is irrelevant to the point that if a 13 yr old needs to be armed with a loaded gun in order to stay home alone, he shouldn't be staying home alone.

I appreciate common sense doesn't fit your agenda, but hey, at least you don't have to worry about this particular 13 yr old.
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Those people werent all 13 year olds, and they all didnt live in violent ghettos. Violent home break ins happen in wealthy neighborhoods and impact adults far removed from crime ridden neighborhoods. And that you believe 13 year olds cant be left alone...yeah...that kinda speaks volumes as well.

You using the words 'common sense' in light of your comments here...now THATS funny.
 
CanadaJohn said:
No crystal ball. And your smart ass comments add nothing to the discussion. What does logic tell you about a 13 yr old requiring access to a loaded gun when left home alone? Does providing a child with a loaded gun make you feel like you've got crystal balls?
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What do you think...that neighborhood is a violent crime ridden neighborhood where everyone MUST be armed or it is particularly good luck that in this particular home there WAS a loaded firearm available for home defense?
 
VanceMack said:
Those people werent all 13 year olds, and they all didnt live in violent ghettos. Violent home break ins happen in wealthy neighborhoods and impact adults far removed from crime ridden neighborhoods. And that you believe 13 year olds cant be left alone...yeah...that kinda speaks volumes as well.

You using the words 'common sense' in light of your comments here...now THATS funny.
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You may have missed it in your hysteria about arming children, but this OP is about a 13 yr old and my comments have had nothing to do with guns but with the propriety of leaving a 13 yr old home alone with a loaded gun to defend himself.

Nothing you have said changes that fact and much as I enjoy such entertainment, I'm done with your special brand. Enjoy life, and good luck promoting your project to abandon parental supervision and replace it with a loaded gun in every child's play box in America.
 
VanceMack said:
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What do you think...that neighborhood is a violent crime ridden neighborhood where everyone MUST be armed or it is particularly good luck that in this particular home there WAS a loaded firearm available for home defense?
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You don't get it and you never will - have a good day.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good morning Maggie,

I appreciate that and perhaps it's a cultural thing but I can't personally imagine leaving a 13 yr old alone with a loaded gun and expecting that child to defend himself should the need arise. Seems we're expecting our children to become adults in far too many ways these days.
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I disagree... First, until recently, by 12-13, people would begin being treated as adults.

There's a split though, some, are becoming adults by 18, and now it seems that many are barely adults when they are 30.

Crimefree said:
Did you give this one minutes thought? If you lived in such a neighbourhood could you afford to hire somebody to look after the child? Apparently reality is not part of your thinking and a home invasion is a reality no matter where you live except possibly in a prison. At 13 both my parents worked a common thing today.
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I don't know about you, but 12 years old was when I stopped needing a babysitter... Mind you, I was something of a latchkey kid. By 13, a babysitter would have been an insult.

But ya, I remember when I was 20, I got home after bar, didn't notice the person had followed me into my apartment, I turned around as he pushed his way in... No guns, but had a knife block 2 steps away, grabbed a butcher knife and swung it his way, missed his throat area by inches, and told him to take his chance and go home... He did.

We cannot sympathize with criminals, or we are committing violence against their victims.
 
Having a gun didn't help the two adults who couldn't manage to deal with a mere child.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was a direct response to your claim that they probably couldn't afford to have someone look after the child. I appreciate you find the data irrelevant because it blows your point out of the water.
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Absolutely not you have no idea of the circumstances and I offered but one reason you had not taken into consideration. You have not disproved that either so this claim is as false as your others.
 
Crimefree said:
Absolutely not you have no idea of the circumstances and I offered but one reason you had not taken into consideration. You have not disproved that either so this claim is as false as your others.
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You have no idea of the circumstances either but we're supposed to accept your claim as a given and must disprove it. Good for you.

You're on the side of arming 13 yr olds and leaving them home alone to fend for and defend themselves. I'm not.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You don't get it and you never will - have a good day.
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I get it. Either you believe incredibly stupid things or you know you said something incredibly stupid and dont have the grace to recognize it. Either way....
 
Manc Skipper said:
Having a gun didn't help the two adults who couldn't manage to deal with a mere child.
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wrong interpretation


a gun allowed a smaller individual to successfully defend himself against two larger individuals.

People who think as you do wanted the child to have been victimized
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong interpretation


a gun allowed a smaller individual to successfully defend himself against two larger individuals.

People who think as you do wanted the child to have been victimized
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At least he wouldnt have to live with the trauma of defending himself.

I see some of these peoples comments and am just...well...flabbergasted. How the **** can you see an article where two violent felons were attempting to break into a home, the kid in the home defended himselfv, and have your first comments be "That poor bastard...how sad he had the means to defend himself. He will live with that trauma forever. Its all his MOMS fault for not guarding him 24/7 and for leaving the evil gun in the home"
 
VanceMack said:
At least he wouldnt have to live with the trauma of defending himself.

I see some of these peoples comments and am just...well...flabbergasted. How the **** can you see an article where two violent felons were attempting to break into a home, the kid in the home defended himselfv, and have your first comments be "That poor bastard...how sad he had the means to defend himself. He will live with that trauma forever. Its all his MOMS fault for not guarding him 24/7 and for leaving the evil gun in the home"
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its the victimology mindset
 
VanceMack said:
At least he wouldnt have to live with the trauma of defending himself.

I see some of these peoples comments and am just...well...flabbergasted. How the **** can you see an article where two violent felons were attempting to break into a home, the kid in the home defended himselfv, and have your first comments be "That poor bastard...how sad he had the means to defend himself. He will live with that trauma forever. Its all his MOMS fault for not guarding him 24/7 and for leaving the evil gun in the home"
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Ya, seems to me, I'd have less issues dealing with killing someone who might kill me than dealing with the trauma of what the criminals might have done if they weren't stopped.
 
I was home alone many times at age 13. There were always guns around too. Rifles and shotguns in the closet, and behind the front door and my dad always kept a loaded pistol under the couch cushion for easy access in case of emergency.

Of course, I grew up on a rural farm. And being "alone" after school meant my younger sisters and I getting off the bus while our dad was within a half mile or so doing farm work.

At 16, one of my close friends of the same age was forced to shoot her step father in a domestic violence incident, in defense of her mother and herself. It was a shotgun to the chest and he was killed instantly. No charges were filed, the shooting was in self defense.

It's terrible that these things happen. At this point in my life, I'm not a gun owner nor do I have any desire to be.

Hard for me to find fault anywhere in this situation, except with the burglars of course.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Having a gun didn't help the two adults who couldn't manage to deal with a mere child.
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That is the difference between intimidation and self defence.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I see reading comprehension isn't the forte of the "arm the children" class. In case you missed it, I posted the stats for the benefit of a poster who claimed maybe this family was too poor to be able to afford to hire someone to look after their child.

Any other ignorant comments you'd like to toss out?
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You posted the stats. I interpreted them as any logical person would. Why do people like you resort to temper tantrums and asinine comments about reading comprehension when I understand the stats you posted better than you.

Ignorant has been your responses from the start, unfortunately.
 
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