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The Truth About Gun Control

dimensionallava said:
so what do you think we should about it? should we get rid of all black people, enslave them, or just kill them all?
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Absolutely NOT!!! See, this is where the emotional response comes is... Knowing the problem is half the battle... I honestly do not have all the answers, How do you change culture? I do know a few things that are for sure not helping...
Education can help change culture...but the problem is is that too many of the parents are terrible, so no matter how good the schools may be the toxic influences at home and in the neighborhoods ruin any possible progress. Strict and attentive Parenting seems to work in Asian cultures... how do you get more black families to control and care for their children?

I think this is going to be a slow process, but once you publicly identify the problem... the issues can then begin to slowly heal...and perhaps there are people will better non-extreme solutions than I do...BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT WE CANT EVEN TRY TO HELP FIND A SOLUTION... because too many just choose to ignore and distract from the actual problem..

Attempt to Eliminate the Concept of Race... Teach in schools that it is a flawed system of segregating people... and not have laws based on the flawed system. Teach that... yea, people look different, but the trait of me having blonde hair and you having brown hair is just as insignificant as skin color, we are all Americans first, We are all Unique individuals with our own unique back story FIRST. We all contribute to the Mainstream culture, it is something we all share.


dimensionallava said:
sor are you suggesting people should just generally hate black people and blame them for all their problems?
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Again...absolutely not....simply pointing out where the issue is...in order to help IT!!! Deflecting the cause and muddying everything will do nothing to actually treat it. People get angry when the things they see constantly in their daily lives gets denied and then turned around on them to make them look like racist.... It's a toxic environment to improve ANYTHING...
 
celticwar17 said:
Absolutely NOT!!! See, this is where the emotional response comes is... Knowing the problem is half the battle... I honestly do not have all the answers, How do you change culture? I do know a few things that are for sure not helping...
Education can help change culture...but the problem is is that too many of the parents are terrible, so no matter how good the schools may be the toxic influences at home and in the neighborhoods ruin any possible progress. Strict and attentive Parenting seems to work in Asian cultures... how do you get more black families to control and care for their children?

I think this is going to be a slow process, but once you publicly identify the problem... the issues can then begin to slowly heal...and perhaps there are people will better non-extreme solutions than I do...BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT WE CANT EVEN TRY TO HELP FIND A SOLUTION... because too many just choose to ignore and distract from the actual problem..

Attempt to Eliminate the Concept of Race... Teach in schools that it is a flawed system of segregating people... and not have laws based on the flawed system. Teach that... yea, people look different, but the trait of me having blonde hair and you having brown hair is just as insignificant as skin color, we are all Americans first, We are all Unique individuals with our own unique back story FIRST. We all contribute to the Mainstream culture, it is something we all share.



Again...absolutely not....simply pointing out where the issue is...in order to help IT!!! Deflecting the cause and muddying everything will do nothing to actually treat it. People get angry when the things they see constantly in their daily lives gets denied and then turned around on them to make them look like racist.... It's a toxic environment to improve ANYTHING...
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great so i acknowledge that you hate black people now what do you want do about it?
 
ModerateGOP said:
You doubted the guy ever advocated violence against someone who didn't agree with him. And you didn't know who he was?!?! Wow. You have a lot of learning to do
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Where dd I doubt it???

Please show me where I did...I have no Idea what he has said or done...i don't care....I don't close my mind automatically when I encounter someone people say have a bad reputation, because frankly, people always try to demonize people they disagree with...

All I said was that in the video shown he seemed reasonable....that is it....I don't care about anything outside the video... The things in the video are what I am interested in, NOT THE GUY HIMSELF...
 
Funny how "black culture" is shared by poor whites but not rich blacks (whackjob's "evidence" aside); yet, the obviously inaccurate label is maintained even after one admits the culture is neither exclusive of whites nor inclusive of blacks. What the person means is "bad culture". It would accurately be described as "poverty culture"; however, that wouldn't be blaming black people and, ultimately, that's clearly the goal.

Why does it not surprise me that the Truth at hand is racism.
 
dimensionallava said:
oh im sorry black "culture" is what you hate, so what do you want to do about it?
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There is no hate.... I recognize that portions of African American culture is making a big negative impact on it's population.... it advocates violence, gang life, disrespect for woman. not taking education seriously, disrespect for authority figures, crime, and immorality in general ....
Of course not all black people engage in all these things... But too many do...

My best friend is black...He's been my best friend for at least 8 years...I don't hate black people and I don't dislike all aspects of black culture....


Asian cultures are a perfect example of how culture influences the success of it's people....Tiger asian moms are for real... education and hard work is a serious thing in the majority of asian families... it has lead to asians in America actually doing better than white people...
 
celticwar17 said:
There is no hate.... I recognize that portions of African American culture is making a big negative impact on it's population.... it advocates violence, gang life, disrespect for woman. not taking education seriously, disrespect for authority figures, crime, and immorality in general ....
Of course not all black people engage in all these things... But too many do...
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If it is merely portions, and includes portions of whites, then why label it "black culture"?
 
ecofarm said:
Funny how "black culture" is shared by poor whites but not rich blacks (whackjob's "evidence" aside); yet, the obviously inaccurate label is maintained even after one admits the culture is neither exclusive of whites nor inclusive of blacks. What the person means is "bad culture". It would accurately be described as "poverty culture"; however, that wouldn't be blaming black people and, ultimately, that's clearly the goal.

Why does it not surprise me that the Truth at hand is racism.
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That is addressed in the video....There is a negative correlation to poverty and violent crime...Less poverty= more violent crime....

Poor white communities do not have near the same murder-rates as poor black communities...

You are just wrong
 
dimensionallava said:
"the truth about gun control is....... black people are bad" is that basically it?
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Molyneux is married to a black woman IIRC, I doubt he believes that. He certainly did not make that argument-but you have ascribed it to him, all without watching the video, I might add.

Its curious that you do, though.
 
ecofarm said:
If it is merely portions, and includes poor whites, then why label it "black culture"?
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You didn't watch the video...The same correlations happen when all things are held equal....Poor blacks dramatically have more violent crime than poor anything else.
 
ecofarm said:
If it is merely portions, and includes portions of whites, then why label it "black culture"?
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And Ecofarm.... just because "black culture" is an issue... does not mean that other subcultures don't either.... We are talking about the BIGGEST issue... the issue that is having the largest affect on crime.


THAT is the reason for the singling out
 
dimensionallava said:
so what do you think we should about it? should we get rid of all black people, enslave them, or just kill them all? or are you suggesting people should just generally hate black people and blame them for all our problems?
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With the bloody history of communism (hundreds of millions killed, after being disarmed), its understandable why you (a self described communist) might think this.

But where did you hear that argument in the OP, or in the .gov sources he cited?

It should be quite easy for you to explain how.
 
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celticwar17 said:
You didn't watch the video...The same correlations happen when all things are held equal....Poor blacks dramatically have more violent crime than poor anything else.
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Or... they have more convictions as a result off systemic privilege. Or... poor whites are not being accurately segregated in the data (are we talking inner city poor whites or rural poor whites, is the distinction made or are rural poor whites being used to warp the numbers). There are many ways in which data can be improperly gathered and interpreted, especially when the goal is to blame blacks.
 
US Conservative said:
Molyneux is married to a black woman IIRC, I doubt he believes that. He certainly did not make that argument-but you have ascribed it to him, all without watching the video, I might add.

Its curious that you do, though.
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if black people can't hate other black people then explain ben carson

...... see you can't do it
 
celticwar17 said:
That is addressed in the video....There is a negative correlation to poverty and violent crime...Less poverty= more violent crime....
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Idiocy. Obviously the parameters of what qualifies as a violent crime is being used to skew the results. Rich people do not commit more robberies.

Poor white communities do not have near the same murder-rates as poor black communities...
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Obviously less violent crime because they're rural. Rural communities are far less likely to prosecute lesser violent crimes and the poor inner city black neighborhoods suffer systemic privilege.

How about we compare the numbers of violent crimes by population density instead of just population.

You are just wrong
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You have no clue how data can be manipulated.
 
dimensionallava said:
great so i acknowledge that you hate black people now what do you want do about it?
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As there is more crime in black neighborhoods, and as many gun laws have their basis in racist democrat jim crow laws, I find it odd that stating objective facts means someone hates anyone else.

Do you believe that facts have an agenda, communist?
 
ecofarm said:
Or... they have more convictions as a result off systemic privilege. Or... poor whites are not being accurately segregated in the data (are we talking inner city poor whites or rural poor whites, is the distinction made or are rural poor whites being used to warp the numbers). There are many ways in which data can be improperly gathered and interpreted, especially when the goal is to blame blacks.
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Cop-outs... total and complete copout..

These statistics are all scale by population percentages. And no it is reported that there are actually much more nonreported black crimes than white crimes... because the tendencies of black neighborhoods not calling the police..
 
celticwar17 said:
There is no hate.... I recognize that portions of African American culture is making a big negative impact on it's population.... it advocates violence, gang life, disrespect for woman. not taking education seriously, disrespect for authority figures, crime, and immorality in general ....
Of course not all black people engage in all these things... But too many do...
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what else do you hate about them?

My best friend is black...He's been my best friend for at least 8 years...I don't hate black people and I don't dislike all aspects of black culture....
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you have a black freind? so did dylan roof? does this freind know how much you hate him? (assuming he even exists)


Asian cultures are a perfect example of how culture influences the success of it's people....Tiger asian moms are for real... education and hard work is a serious thing in the majority of asian families... it has lead to asians in America actually doing better than white people...
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so whats your goal? call China and work out some kind of trade
 
celticwar17 said:
And Ecofarm.... just because "black culture" is an issue... does not mean that other subcultures don't either.... We are talking about the BIGGEST issue... the issue that is having the largest affect on crime.

THAT is the reason for the singling out
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I'll ask again. Given "black culture" is not exclusive of whites or inclusive of blacks... why inaccurately label it as "black culture"?
 
US Conservative said:
As there is more crime in black neighborhoods, and as many gun laws have their basis in racist democrat jim crow laws, I find it odd that stating objective facts means someone hates anyone else.

Do you believe that facts have an agenda, communist?
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democrat jim crow laws lol alright I think your taking the robert byrd thing a little too far, it was funny for a minute but just stop now
 
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