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So Who Are American Gun Owners?

jet57 said:
DEATH RATES are death rates. If there's too many for a health society, then there's a problem. And we have a problem.
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Suicide is a problem but no gun ownership. If you correlate gun ownership with the suicide then your just wrong.
 
jet57 said:
It was the 'misanthrope' word that I was questioning...
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misanthrope

ˈmɪz(ə)nθrəʊp,mɪs-/

noun

a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.

"Scrooge wasn't the mean-spirited misanthrope most of us believe him to be"

synonyms:hater of mankind,*cynic,*sceptic,*churl,*grouch,*grump,*recluse,*hermit,*anchorite;*

hikikomori
 
jet57 said:
I think that your think is flawed and rather based on a politically driven paranoia that does not add up. Pellosi is a dope. Feinstein is a dope. Nothing they can conjure up together or separately has or will ever add up to a hill of beans. You're however leaving out one particular in this: all the mass shootings of late.

Crime statistics go down when economic strength goes up. We saw this in the Clinton years as well. If there are only 10 incidents of gun violence in a particular small town for example, that's going to be seen as 10 too many by anybody with any common sense at all. So what's wrong with wanting to bring down that number to 0 and leaving the 2nd amendment intact? Nothing! The country is flat out gun crazy these days and it only besmirches our society.
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First of all, if I am not mistaken stats have been posted on DP already showing that mass shootings are not increasing "of late".

Secondly, when someone proposes a gun control measure which meets the following criteria:

1. Meets Constitutional Strict Scrutiny
2. Will impact the criminal far more than the law-abiding
3. Shows actual likelihood of causing a substantial reduction in violent crime


... then I assure you I will be all ears.


Haven't heard one lately.
 
jet57 said:
DEATH RATES are death rates. If there's too many for a health society, then there's a problem. And we have a problem.
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So, how many threads outside of this gun section have you addressed this problem of death rates?
My guess is very few if any as it is not deaths that you are truly concerned of but gun owners and gun owner politics.
 
cpgrad08 said:
I hope you can oscillate.
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Aha. "Fan." "Oscillate." Yeah.


Wait a minute, let me go drink some tequila and try it again... :D



(Sorry my smartass button is stuck "on" today...)
 
jet57 said:
The stats in the article don't really back up your assertion on rural vs urban. The states in the article shown that have the most gun violence are predominately rural states. You can also see that Calfornia, for such a huge population and stricter gun access has very little gun violence. Suicide is suicide, but it a statistic in gun violence as a problem, and though it is a personal choice, how many of those suicides would have been unsuccessful without a readily available tool for quick and destructive purposes?
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I'm more in favor of successful suicides than unsuccessful ones. Just one of my quirks.
 
Goshin said:
Technically the number is correct, as regards all firearm deaths. However it becomes disingenuous without noting that 2/3rds are suicides and a substantial number are accidents or defensive shootings.
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Its the phrase "were killed" that is blatantly dishonest. It implies they were victims of someone with a gun.

Suicide is such a dead issue...pardon the pun. The rate of legal (lets not forget...that chart shows LEGAL gun owners...not the hundreds of thousands of illegal firearms owned by violent criminals) gun ownership is lower in california...yet...the suicide rates in the age group from adolescents to age 55 is considerably HIGHER than the national average. Availability of a firearm is irrelevant to the individual committed to committing suicide.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Suicide is a problem but no gun ownership. If you correlate gun ownership with the suicide then your just wrong.
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He and others have had their ass kicked on so many threads regarding firearms and suicide its not even funny. Yet...every new thread they trot out there like its something new. Its pathetic. France...England...Japan, Australia...so many others all have suicide rates that are comparable and even HIGHER than those in the US and firearms is not even a percentage point of their means of committing suicide. Its just pathetic that they still trot it out. And...as in every other thread, eventually the suicide figures in Japan will be brought out PROVING firearms and lethal means are irrelevant, and they will say...but...but...but you cant compare the two. OK...fine...then the UK has more suicides per 100k than we do and their primary means of suicide is hanging. But...but...but..........

Its all bull**** and they know it. They know everyone else knows it AND they know that everyone else KNOWS THEY know it. But it wont stop them from trotting it out in every new thread promoting gun control.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
Suicide is a problem but no gun ownership. If you correlate gun ownership with the suicide then your just wrong.
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What part of "suicide by gun" do you not understand. That is a violent act with a gun.
 
jet57 said:
Not really.
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How many murder-suicide murders are there each year? I would bet there are more hernia deaths each year.
 
Unicron said:
misanthrope

ˈmɪz(ə)nθrəʊp,mɪs-/

noun

a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.

"Scrooge wasn't the mean-spirited misanthrope most of us believe him to be"

synonyms:hater of mankind,*cynic,*sceptic,*churl,*grouch,*grump,*recluse,*hermit,*anchorite;*

hikikomori
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I know what word means. I didn't get why you had to link a death clock that has nothing to do with the thread subject and label it for misanthropic people.
 
scatt said:
How many murder-suicide murders are there each year? I would bet there are more hernia deaths each year.
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Again: see post #34. Your answers are there and I'm not repeating myself.
 
jet57 said:
Again: see post #34. Your answers are there and I'm not repeating myself.
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I see you edited it to add information.

We have absolutely proved that hernia deaths are more common, given that your special interest group guessed numbers of murder-suicide murders are less than the CDC actual numbers of hernia deaths.
 
MACS-24 said:
So, how many threads outside of this gun section have you addressed this problem of death rates?
My guess is very few if any as it is not deaths that you are truly concerned of but gun owners and gun owner politics.
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Wrong again. Death rates depends upon the subject that causes the deaths, like drugs, automobiles etc etc.

I have no problem with gun owners. I have problems with extreme politics both left and right, so your attempt at labeling my motives fails you. I thought the article on the kinds of people that turn out to be the majority of gun owners was very interesting as it described myself among them. The right-wing of course has attempted to turn into "commies under your bed", not me.
 
scatt said:
I see you edited it to add information.

We have absolutely proved that hernia deaths are more common, given that your special interest group guessed numbers of murder-suicide murders are less than the CDC actual numbers of hernia deaths.
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You have proved nothing. Time and medical advancements have changed my assertion into a more accurate state of events.
 
jet57 said:
You have proved nothing. Time and medical advancements have changed my assertion into a more accurate state of events.
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You think medical advancement in the last four years has decreased hernia deaths by at least 25 percent?
 
jet57 said:
Interesting article.

This Is What The Average Gun Owner Looks Like In America



Thoughts?
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Thoughts-More anti gun BS from anti gun morons like the author of the article you cited

Moved by her research, she became vice-president of the Gun Violence Survivors Foundation in 2014 and, in addition to continuing her research, helps coordinate crowdfunding campaigns to help victims and their families cope with the aftermath of a gunshot wound.

Its anti gun crap and bogus. And yet another bit of anti gun excrement that you have posted while pretending to be a pro gun advocate
 
jet57 said:
No, I don't think so. The crucial point of the study and what comes from the left/ center left, is the amount of gun violence in this country: it's an unhealthy rate and that's the point. As we see from the study as well, exactly who fits the profile of American gun owners hits the nail on the head as well, because we can it reflected in most pro gun positions here.
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That is almost as idiotic as the article itself. we get the fact that you hate the politics of gun owners and you find excrement laden far left polemics from hard core gun banners to justify your hate but this is beyond pathetic. Most of the problems caused by people using guns are caused by leftwing youthful male blacks who often cannot own firearms legally so that totally blows away the premise of that article. Rich white conservative males over the age of 50 aren't causing homicides or robberies or other crimes with firearms
 
MACS-24 said:
So, how many threads outside of this gun section have you addressed this problem of death rates?
My guess is very few if any as it is not deaths that you are truly concerned of but gun owners and gun owner politics.
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He's a hard core hater of people who own guns and actually make gun ownership an important part of how they vote. You see, People like me, have a very dim view of Obamatardation, BidenIdiocy or DianeFeinswine socialism and that is what bothers Jet57 so much. So he attacks gun ownership because we don't buy into his far left agenda.
 
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