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9 year old kills her shooting instructor (accidentally)[W:257, 471]

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A 9 year old girl killed her 39 year old shooting instructor when he was training her to shoot a sub machine gun (Uzi).

I am no fan of weapons but that is just my European dislike of guns speaking, but should a 9 year old be allowed/trained to shoot a weapon with such a heavy recoil. When she fired the recoil made the gun go over her head which caused the instructor to be hit by a bullet. This girl will be traumatized for the rest of her life.

Learning to shoot a rifle maybe but a sub machine gun? I think it was an unwise decision. Should there be an age limit for being allowed to fire weapons who have this kind of recoil?

UPDATE1 -- 9-year-old girl shoots, kills Arizona shooting instructor - BNO News
 
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I guess he wasnt a very good instructor. Instant Darwin Award.
 
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Good grief.

An Uzi isn't a beginner firearm. They say the girl was with her family on vacation and, from the sounds of things, was a novice around firearms. If that was the case then putting a full auto Uzi in her hands was, obviously, a bad idea.
 
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Guns and children, what a combination. We don't let a kid drive til they're 16 but think its reasonable to put an automatic weapon in their hands at 9?

Stupidity killed this man.
 
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There was nothing reasonable about this.
 
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PoS said:
I guess he wasnt a very good instructor.
Instant Darwin Award.
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He won't make that mistake again.

What is really sad about this is the effect that it will have on that young lady.
 
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Why does a nine year old have a firearms instructor?

I'm sure it works for some folks, but it just seems like a bad combination. At least let her hit her teens first. BB guns exist, people. If you're that set on teaching firearms basics.

Smh.
 
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Lutherf said:
Good grief.

An Uzi isn't a beginner firearm. They say the girl was with her family on vacation and, from the sounds of things, was a novice around firearms. If that was the case then putting a full auto Uzi in her hands was, obviously, a bad idea.
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Yea it should have never been on auto. Tragic mistake....prayers for all involved.
 
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Only in the US.

Your mad over there.
 
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Verax said:
Guns and children, what a combination. We don't let a kid drive til they're 16 but think its reasonable to put an automatic weapon in their hands at 9?

Stupidity killed this man.
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While I obviously agree with the idea that this was a stupid decision by the instructor, farm kids operate vehicles between 10-12 years of age and certainly aren't unaware of weapons at that age or earlier.
 
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PoS said:
I guess he wasnt a very good instructor. Instant Darwin Award.
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I hate to say it, but I agree. Firearms require respect. Automatic firearms require it doubly.

Van Basten said:
Why does a nine year old have a firearms instructor?

I'm sure it works for some folks, but it just seems like a bad combination. At least let her hit her teens first. BB guns exist, people. If you're that set on teaching firearms basics.

Smh.
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A BB gun isn't a firearm, though I did teach my kids the basics using one. When they showed they could handle it properly 100% of the time, I let them shoot a .22. Both of my kids were shooting and handling firearms before they reached their teens. I have never had to reprimand either of them for having a lack of respect for firearms either. Just like driving, you need to have someone who will teach you the proper respect for the thing you are handling. Both cars and guns can kill in an instant and should be treated as such.

Tim the plumber said:
Only in the US.

Your mad over there.
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Yep. Freedom is maddening to a lot of folks.
 
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I learned to handle and fire firearms around 8 years old. A rifle and a .22.

I don't think a gun of that fire power is appropriate for a 9 year old child.
 
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Lutherf said:
Good grief.

An Uzi isn't a beginner firearm. They say the girl was with her family on vacation and, from the sounds of things, was a novice around firearms. If that was the case then putting a full auto Uzi in her hands was, obviously, a bad idea.
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By what sane reasoning does anyone put a loaded weapon into the hands of a 9 year old?

What is the message you're sending to that kid?
 
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Peter King said:
A 9 year old girl killed her 39 year old shooting instructor when he was training her to shoot a sub machine gun (Uzi).

I am no fan of weapons but that is just my European dislike of guns speaking, but should a 9 year old be allowed/trained to shoot a weapon with such a heavy recoil. When she fired the recoil made the gun go over her head which caused the instructor to be hit by a bullet. This girl will be traumatized for the rest of her life.

Learning to shoot a rifle maybe but a sub machine gun? I think it was an unwise decision. Should there be an age limit for being allowed to fire weapons who have this kind of recoil?

UPDATE1 -- 9-year-old girl shoots, kills Arizona shooting instructor - BNO News
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European dislike?

While you may think handing a 9 year old kid a loaded gun is OK, I find it frightening. What are the motor skills of the average 9 year old and what are we trying to teach here.

In this country that kid would be at a petting zoo, the "instructor" facing life in solitare - he could never be allowed into general population.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
By what sane reasoning does anyone put a loaded weapon into the hands of a 9 year old?

What is the message you're sending to that kid?
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With most of our extended family, that was simple. "Let's go hunting, Kids!"

And....nothing bad happened.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
By what sane reasoning does anyone put a loaded weapon into the hands of a 9 year old?

What is the message you're sending to that kid?
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I've got no problem with a 9y/o learning to shoot. That part isn't a problem at all. By that age pretty much any kid should be able to handle a .22 or other small caliber handgun or certainly a rifle. I'd still want to make sure that there was strict supervision but not a problem to let them shoot.
 
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Lutherf said:
I've got no problem with a 9y/o learning to shoot. That part isn't a problem at all. By that age pretty much any kid should be able to handle a .22 or other small caliber handgun or certainly a rifle. I'd still want to make sure that there was strict supervision but not a problem to let them shoot.
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That strict supervision worked well in this case.
 
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Fiddytree said:
While I obviously agree with the idea that this was a stupid decision by the instructor, farm kids operate vehicles between 10-12 years of age and certainly aren't unaware of weapons at that age or earlier.
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I also know adults that I don't think should operate machinery or weapons!

A kid working on a farm could be a necessity and also over time a competent adult could judge whether they are able to operate a tractor by themselves within a reasonable frame of control. Slapping an automatic in the hands of an unknown 9 year old is just... sigh.
 
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Verax said:
Slapping an automatic in the hands of an unknown 9 year old is just... sigh.
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Stupidity, yes.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
That strict supervision worked well in this case.
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The difference between a .22 rifle and a full auto Uzi is like the difference between a tricycle and a Mustang. It also doesn't seem that the instruction was all that strict. Putting a full auto SMG or pistol in the hands of a novice is just asking for disaster unless the instructor is literally hands on with the student.
 
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Peter King said:
A 9 year old girl killed her 39 year old shooting instructor when he was training her to shoot a sub machine gun (Uzi).

I am no fan of weapons but that is just my European dislike of guns speaking, but should a 9 year old be allowed/trained to shoot a weapon with such a heavy recoil. When she fired the recoil made the gun go over her head which caused the instructor to be hit by a bullet. This girl will be traumatized for the rest of her life.

Learning to shoot a rifle maybe but a sub machine gun? I think it was an unwise decision. Should there be an age limit for being allowed to fire weapons who have this kind of recoil?

UPDATE1 -- 9-year-old girl shoots, kills Arizona shooting instructor - BNO News
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It shouldn't be legal for a 9-year-old to shoot/hold a firearm, period. What's wrong with people??
 
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What a **** situation.

I also really feel for the girl... no 9 year old should have something like that on their conscience.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
European dislike?

While you may think handing a 9 year old kid a loaded gun is OK, I find it frightening. What are the motor skills of the average 9 year old and what are we trying to teach here.

In this country that kid would be at a petting zoo, the "instructor" facing life in solitare - he could never be allowed into general population.
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I do not think you understand, that was me stating that I dislike guns but realize that this is not shared by many in the US.

I do not think that a small girl should be shooting weapons at all, but if she was learned to do this, then maybe it should be a small caliber rifle so that these kinds of tragedies do not happen.
 
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shrubnose said:
He won't make that mistake again.

What is really sad about this is the effect that it will have on that young lady.
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You are right, she will be traumatized for the rest of her life. She will be needing psychological help for years and years.
 
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Lutherf said:
The difference between a .22 rifle and a full auto Uzi is like the difference between a tricycle and a Mustang. It also doesn't seem that the instruction was all that strict. Putting a full auto SMG or pistol in the hands of a novice is just asking for disaster unless the instructor is literally hands on with the student.
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I know the difference, I grew up with a .22 rifle, shot skeet competitively and have handled a confiscated Uzi.

Different cultures Luther. Here, it is not true we hate guns, we respect them as tools for hunting and the sport[s[ that come from it, including Olympic events. However, Canada, without getting too philosophical, evolved rather than revolved, we did not have a "wild west" nor extensive wars with First Nations. And as such we have developed into a very crime free society which does not see any value in people carrying weapons.

This will shock you. Here, if I were to carry a hunting rifle to my car and be seen by a neighbor, it is likely the police will respond code three to a "man with a gun call"..and no our cops do not arrive guns out. I might face charges for improper transfer of a firearm or more likely be advised to buy a case.

So, I cannot see any value in giving a child a gun, even with strict oversight.

But I agree, this instructor needs to go down
 
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