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Poll: Americans Believe Owning a Gun is an Act of Patriotism.....

Buck Ewer said:
I'm quite sure that Turtledude understands that he would be killed soon after beginning such a personal declaration of war against the USA.
He is that insanely attached to his guns that it seems he could not go on living without them.
This fetish many Americans have with their guns is not only dramatic but seems to bring out an anti-American murderous insanity among them.
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There is so much projection going on here I thought I might have to say three hail Marie's or be turned into a pillar of salt.

I truly don't see firearm owners getting their knickers in a knot demanding the paranoid anti-social misfits go for psychometric testing to see if they are fit responsible citizens and that is very much in doubt. Only the insane demand what is known to fail be repeated because they believe it will work if more is applied or this time it is different.

In 200 years gun control has scoured this earth looking for the elusive proof there is a causal link between guns and crime and found not even the phantom of a trace. In the wake of this insane fear lies more dead bodies than all the wars. Children are now being thrown by gun control on their sacrificial alter to boost conversion and acceptance, when are we going to realise these followers drugged up on their own fear cannot be reasoned with and need to be stopped before they destroy all before them?

People who are unafraid do not demand others be hobbled and restrained, Those who are need to seek help.
 
Starbuck said:
I think you actually missed my point.

I'm all for gun ownership, I think it's a great thing that people who want guns can go out and get them.
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Me I could not care less but do not mess with my rights. With my rights intact II can make my own choices.

My issue is that the George Zimmerman case, and subsequent reaction, actually did a lot of damage to the credibility of gun rights activists. The guy messed up and murdered an unarmed teenager, he should've been tried for and convicted of exactly that.
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You are like gun control making a mountain out of an anthill. The point of laws is to do just that if and only if he committed a crime. It is not my nature to prejudge or condemn and I do believe a fair trial is needed.

Additionally, the entire gun lobby should've distanced themselves from him, as he made the gun ownership crowd in this country look like a bunch of fools.
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The entire gun lobby could not organise a pissup in a brewery. I see no reason why they should have distanced themselves.
Not a good example of a responsible gun owner.
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Ah! the problem emerges an elitist. - someone who believes in rule by an elite group.

So you have been indoctrinated into firearm owners hall of shame and cowardice where governments favour and appeasement is the way to survive. FOR HEAVENS SAKE DON'T ROCK THE BOAT AND SPOIL IT FOR ALL OF US.

I'm pretty sure that's subject for another thread, one long since past.
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I'll bet you never saw it being called what it really is.
 
BretJ said:
That assumes the total strength of the all volunteer force would side with the government. In addition, most U.S. bases here stateside are relatively open as are fuel stores and parts. Just like the rest of the business world, most weapons systems such as aircraft and armor rely on "just in time" style supply chains for maintenance requirements. The idea that the U.S Military would be willing to fight a war stateside anything like how we operate elsewhere is sophomoric.
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I wouldn't care to lay odds either way, and no one else in his right mind would, either. Suffice it to say that there will always be many loyalists, both in the military and elsewhere.
 
Crimefree said:
Me I could not care less but do not mess with my rights. With my rights intact II can make my own choices.
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Depending upon where you live, you're rights aren't likely in any peril.

Regardless, even where gun laws are strict it is difficult for any law enforcement agency to actively enforce a passive crime. Owning and possessing a gun is not something that can be easily enforced on any wide scale.


Crimefree said:
The entire gun lobby could not organise a pissup in a brewery. I see no reason why they should have distanced themselves.
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Honestly, the gun lobby is one of the most efficient and organized lobbies around, this was one of their missteps.

Crimefree said:
Ah! the problem emerges an elitist. - someone who believes in rule by an elite group.

So you have been indoctrinated into firearm owners hall of shame and cowardice where governments favour and appeasement is the way to survive. FOR HEAVENS SAKE DON'T ROCK THE BOAT AND SPOIL IT FOR ALL OF US.
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I don't know how you see elitist sentiments anywhere in my post?

The cool thing about freedom is that you should also respect the freedom of movement of other people and not use your rights to negatively impact the lives of others. . . especially without cause.

I'm pretty sure that killing innocent and unarmed people is something the overwhelming majority of gun owners feel is bad.
 
Starbuck said:
Depending upon where you live, you're rights aren't likely in any peril.
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I have absolutely no idea of your qualification to make such a statement but whatever it is it is bogus. 25,000 restrictive gun control laws says you have no idea of what in peril means. I suppose as long as one can own a gun our rigts are intact. Speak to Haymarket he thinks the same. You will get on well together.

Regardless, even where gun laws are strict it is difficult for any law enforcement agency to actively enforce a passive crime. Owning and possessing a gun is not something that can be easily enforced on any wide scale.
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The millions of times this has been said have been wasted, nobody understands what it means. Gun control is not about guns, it is about CONTROL.

The ability of government to charge you with some administrative or ridiculous crime is all the leverage government needs to get you to turn you friends and family in rather than do time.

Honestly, the gun lobby is one of the most efficient and organized lobbies around, this was one of their missteps.
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Honestly the gun lobby could not organise a piss-up in a brewery. If it was effective pleas explain why it cannot win in California as a state or even a few hundred towns with new laws. If the "gun lobby" can then why does it not? The USA does not have l;ess strict gun laws then it did 50 years ago. You want more proof?

I don't know how you see elitist sentiments anywhere in my post?

Not a good example of a responsible gun owner.
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The cool thing about freedom is that you should also respect the freedom of movement of other people and not use your rights to negatively impact the lives of others. . . especially without cause.
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Perhaps you should do as you preach.

What cause would there be for "responsible" firearm owners other than elitism?

I'm pretty sure that killing innocent and unarmed people is something the overwhelming majority of gun owners feel is bad.
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I'm sure they do, none of them were responsible, none should be tarred with the same brush by some fools who want to take collective responsibility is some grovelling way of trying to curry favour. In what way are firearm owners connected to this person that is different to vehicles owners for example?
 
TurtleDude said:
you throw the term INSANE around a lot when the real insanity comes from the garment soiling gun haters who are either terrified of the fact that others make personal safety their individual responsibility or hate conservatives and think attacking gun rights is just punishment for us being against nanny state collectivism.

I am sorry you hate freedom so much but its a common affliction
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It would appear the gun grabbers suffer from a singular malady, they all suffer a lack of a good choice of reading material and had to make do with what they saw on TV. Believing implicitly that agony aunts painting scenes with victims trauma and parading the crying suffering people for all to see. The sharks of the news business as they broadcast in a frenzy of victims blood trying to out do each other in splattering victims blood all over everything.

Here they were, the eager minds our educations system has produced, who sucked it up without question and believed.

I wonder what percentage of people ever check one single fact they hear each day? Zero? 99%?
 
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