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Would Hillary If Elected, Actually Succeed in Removing Our Right to Own A Gun?[W:54]

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I have been watching Hillary since she and Bill made it into the Arkansas state government. In my opinion she, like many Democratic politicians, embraces what is expedient for Hillary. That includes the content of her speeches, her official statements to the press, her vote when she was in Congress, and what 'conviction' or position she will hold at any given time. She, like Obama, can change her position on almost anything if it is politically expedient to do so.

If she should win the Democratic nomination, and it appears likely that she will, and should be elected President, if it is popular to go after the guns she will do that. If it is not, she won't.

We have all seen how lacking in any kind of conviction that President Barack Obama is. Hillary would be little different. The one leg up she might have on Obama is that I don't think she holds America in the contempt that he does, and I can't see her intentionally doing what will harm it. But when a person has no convictions or apparent moral center, who knows how they will use a position of power once they have it?
 
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I think Schweitzer will enter the early primaries.
He's another good DEM on guns, just like both Montana Senators,
and the ones from ND, SD, MO, AR, LA, WV, AK, IN, NC, NY and Nunn in GA and so on.

That makes at least 13 con/mod DEM senators that are pro-gun, and six are women.
The rest of the delegation in the upper midwest is far from being flaming gun liberals, sans a few .
radioman said:
I think you mentioned former Montana gov. Schweitzer the other day.
Interesting guy and I don't think Hillary will get the Dem nomination.
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The best candidate for the job doesn't usually get the nomination. Barring some situation that would render a person unelectable, it is whomever the political machine wants to get the nomination that usually gets it. Right now Hillary is the 'man' and, once she announces, it won't really be a primary, but it will be a coronation.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Getting a bit heated in here folks. Lets calm down please. Don't need all the baiting and trolling and flaming going on.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
She's one of them.
Sarah Palin is the other.
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Yep! She helped Obama considerably.
 
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Nah, this needless paranoid notion should stop. No politician should commit political suicide by attempting to drastically revolutionize a cultural code (i.e., that of gun ownership) against the will of the majority of people. Add on top of that the Hillary is smart and you have a major no-no.
 
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rhinefire said:
If anyone in the country can actually succeed it will be Hillary. I realistically cannot see her failing at this unless the right rises up like never before. At this writing she has support not only here but in many other parts of the country. If she does indeed fail then the issue will die off for a long time. The opposition absolutely has to use the idea of disarming American citizens as among the forefront of issues hanging over her swollen head. Be afraid my fellow gun owners, be very afraid.
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Gun control will succeed for the simple reason firearm owners are a completely disorganised and misdirected bunch of amateurs who have absolutely no idea of what kind of fight they are involved in.

Fact. No country in the world has less restrictive gun laws that it did 50 years ago. If firearm owners had a successful strategy what is it. Why is it not being applied in states like California? Is it not obvious if firearm organisations cannot win in California, they cannot win anywhere else.

Anyone with a bit of higher education in social psychology can tell you what gun controls strategy and mode of operation is.

Who can tell me what firearm organisations and firearm owners are doing to counter that?
 
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DDD said:
Nah, this needless paranoid notion should stop. No politician should commit political suicide by attempting to drastically revolutionize a cultural code (i.e., that of gun ownership) against the will of the majority of people. Add on top of that the Hillary is smart and you have a major no-no.
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What will of the majority? 12% of the population support less restrictive gun laws of none at all. 88% undecided, support current gun laws or more strict gun laws. About 50% support more strict gun laws. ~~ Gallup.

What majority? If Firearm owners strategy for winning is "the majority will object" give me a country where this has been successful? Culture is simply an impediment that will be overcome.

Was it German culture to send Jews to their death? Firearm owners are delusional. Best they learn how to fight gun control.
 
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Crimefree said:
What will of the majority? 12% of the population support less restrictive gun laws of none at all. 88% undecided, support current gun laws or more strict gun laws. About 50% support more strict gun laws. ~~ Gallup.

What majority? If Firearm owners strategy for winning is "the majority will object" give me a country where this has been successful? Culture is simply an impediment that will be overcome.

Was it German culture to send Jews to their death? Firearm owners are delusional. Best they learn how to fight gun control.
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The "undecided" may be torn between going against the gun culture of which they are members of. As long as they remain undecided Hillary would really risk a lot if she goes against gun rights. I do not think she will with these stats.
 
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DDD said:
The "undecided" may be torn between going against the gun culture of which they are members of. As long as they remain undecided Hillary would really risk a lot if she goes against gun rights. I do not think she will with these stats.
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I have no idea where you get your confidence from. Support for more strict laws is currently around 50%. During Sandy Hook it rose to 60% and look what they got. More than 1500 bills, 100 state laws and still being proposed. Oh! what the heck we can still buy guns.... No problem, lets celebrate a victory we had nothing to do with, no Federal laws passed.

In the 1990's it was also around 60% and look what that got. Have you already forgotten? What is interesting is that Obama has done more for firearm owners than the combined effort of every single firearm organisation in reducing that 60%. ~~ Gallup poll and report.

If any claim is made for firearm organisations being responsible I want to know what they did and why nobody else ascribes this to the reduction.

No problem, carry on it's going to last forever..... They will never....
 
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radioman said:
Krauthammer is a smart guy, a first-rate spin artist.
He just always looks like he's---I don't know---constipated and unhappy.
I know the guy's got some health issues, but what a grump.
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He's quadriplegic. Spinal injury, 1972. "Got some health issues"...


I bet you feel like a jerk. haha
 
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rhinefire said:
If anyone in the country can actually succeed it will be Hillary. I realistically cannot see her failing at this unless the right rises up like never before. At this writing she has support not only here but in many other parts of the country. If she does indeed fail then the issue will die off for a long time. The opposition absolutely has to use the idea of disarming American citizens as among the forefront of issues hanging over her swollen head. Be afraid my fellow gun owners, be very afraid.
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Oh my god... it's the same old, tired-assed, chicken-little claim every single solitary election cycle.

"The Dems are coming for our guns...."
"The Dems are coming for our guns...."
"The Dems are coming for our guns...."


Agghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....................

It's a simple-minded scaremongering tactic to try to get the frightened folks out to vote.....

Question - How well has that strategy been working for you? :roll:
 
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Dragonfly said:
Oh my god... it's the same old, tired-assed, chicken-little claim every single solitary election cycle.

"The Dems are coming for our guns...."
"The Dems are coming for our guns...."
"The Dems are coming for our guns...."


Agghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....................

It's a simple-minded scaremongering tactic to try to get the frightened folks out to vote.....

Question - How well has that strategy been working for you? :roll:
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It can't really be characterized as a "simple-minded scaremongering tactic" when the actions of the Democrats give credence to that claim...and it worked very well here in Colorado. We recently got rid of two Democrat Congressmen for that very reason.

Sorry I had to be the one to burst your little sarcastic, hyperbolic bubble, Dragonfly.
 
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If ANY president is truly serious about removing all guns from law abiding citizens, their first order should be to disarm the Secret Service detachment that is guarding them and their families.
 
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Isn't it odd in the 60's & 70's the democrats were known for opposing big government and today they boast of it's unrelenting immensity.
 
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Odd that we experienced months of close to no ammunition available to purchase especially 9mm. So I say to all you that say "it can't happen here" go back 10 years and tell us gay marriage and legal pot are on the way. "It will happen here", try shooting without ammo.
 
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Dragonfly said:
Oh my god... it's the same old, tired-assed, chicken-little claim every single solitary election cycle.

"The Dems are coming for our guns...."
"The Dems are coming for our guns...."
"The Dems are coming for our guns...."


Agghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....................

It's a simple-minded scaremongering tactic to try to get the frightened folks out to vote.....

Question - How well has that strategy been working for you? :roll:
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people like you said this when

England registered Handguns
Australia registered most firearms
NJ registered semi auto rifles
NYC registered semi auto rifles
california registered semi auto rifles

and in all cases cited above-those registration lists were used to confiscate registered weapons

are you willing to say post a million dollar bond as proof against our claims, meaning if the Dems push more gun control laws you lose that bond?
 
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Mycroft said:
It can't really be characterized as a "simple-minded scaremongering tactic" when the actions of the Democrats give credence to that claim...and it worked very well here in Colorado. We recently got rid of two Democrat Congressmen for that very reason.

Sorry I had to be the one to burst your little sarcastic, hyperbolic bubble, Dragonfly.
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People like Dragonfly claimed I was paranoid when I said the NYS law limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds would be a stepping stone to even more restrictions-

I was right-a case involving a convicted murderer using a rifle he could to possess with 30 round magazines that had been banned in NYS motivated the asshole Cuomo to ban more than 7 rounds in a gun. In other words, the assholes pass laws that are not responsive to the "crisis" since it was already ILLEGAL for a convicted Murderer to even TOUCH a firearm
 
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rhinefire said:
Odd that we experienced months of close to no ammunition available to purchase especially 9mm. So I say to all you that say "it can't happen here" go back 10 years and tell us gay marriage and legal pot are on the way. "It will happen here", try shooting without ammo.
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We experienced months of ammo shortages because the belief that Obama was going to "take our guns away" caused a run on guns and ammo. The manufacturers couldn't keep up with the demand. That's why there was an ammo shortage.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
We experienced months of ammo shortages because the belief that Obama was going to "take our guns away" caused a run on guns and ammo. The manufacturers couldn't keep up with the demand. That's why there was an ammo shortage.
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that was one of the reasons. The gun supply is back to full capacity but 22 LR ammo is still hard to get and gouging in the prices remains
 
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TurtleDude said:
that was one of the reasons. The gun supply is back to full capacity but 22 LR ammo is still hard to get and gouging in the prices remains
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True. The cupboards are pretty bare of .22 ammo around here too. I wonder why that particular caliber? You can order it on line though unless you live in one of the nanny states that made mail order of ammo illegal.

How would a President Hillary see that? I don't think she would care one way or the other unless it was a political football at the moment. Then she would wet her finger and stick it in the air to see which way the political winds were blowing before taking a position on it one way or the other.
 
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Crimefree said:
I have no idea where you get your confidence from. Support for more strict laws is currently around 50%. During Sandy Hook it rose to 60% and look what they got. More than 1500 bills, 100 state laws and still being proposed. Oh! what the heck we can still buy guns.... No problem, lets celebrate a victory we had nothing to do with, no Federal laws passed.

In the 1990's it was also around 60% and look what that got. Have you already forgotten? What is interesting is that Obama has done more for firearm owners than the combined effort of every single firearm organisation in reducing that 60%. ~~ Gallup poll and report.

If any claim is made for firearm organisations being responsible I want to know what they did and why nobody else ascribes this to the reduction.

No problem, carry on it's going to last forever..... They will never....
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References?
 
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NIMBY said:
I have never heard of door-to-door confiscation.
Which right-wing site did you get that from?
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Never heard of door to door confiscation? Must have never read a paper or watched the news. Hurricane Katrina, look it up.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Never heard of door to door confiscation? Must have never read a paper or watched the news. Hurricane Katrina, look it up.
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What do you think. Is this NRA propaganda contrived video? Or the real deal?



But what would you do if armed agents of the ATF or National Guard or local police ring your doorbell and confiscated your guns? Would you hand them over? Or give them cause to get physical, arrest, or shoot you?

Do you want a President who would order or allow that? Or not?
 
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