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What do you think about the Newtown family members who want to ban guns [W: 372]

TheDemSocialist said:
What do i think? I think they have every right to hold that opinion and voice their opinion.
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I don't think anyone has said otherwise. Rather, while they may feel that way they can't do anything about it.
 
After reading the first several posts in this thread, I'm convinced we need to remove the laws on drinking and driving. After all, it's not the alcohol's fault...
 
TurtleDude said:
While I am sorry about their loss, I have nothing but contempt for people who want to rape the rights of millions in their effort to punish someone since Lanza cheated the courts and the executioner by blowing his worthless brains out.

THEIR GRIEF does not give them a license to punish us.
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They're anti-gunners who are exploiting the deaths of their own children to push their political agenda.
 
Slyfox696 said:
After reading the first several posts in this thread, I'm convinced we need to remove the laws on drinking and driving. After all, it's not the alcohol's fault...
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While I think DUI laws are rediculously strict, it's still a fact that alcohol is a mind altering substance. Are guns a mind altering substance? Do people say, "I'm going to pop a gun ad party my ass off!"?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What do i think? I think they have every right to hold that opinion and voice their opinion.
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I have the right to call them scumbags for exploiting the deaths of their children to push their political agenda.
 
TurtleDude said:
While I am sorry about their loss, I have nothing but contempt for people who want to rape the rights of millions in their effort to punish someone since Lanza cheated the courts and the executioner by blowing his worthless brains out.

THEIR GRIEF does not give them a license to punish us.
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I think their opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.
 
apdst said:
While I think DUI laws are rediculously strict, it's still a fact that alcohol is a mind altering substance. Are guns a mind altering substance? Do people say, "I'm going to pop a gun ad party my ass off!"?
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I don't understand your argument. What does mind-altering have to do with anything? I could just as easily make the claim that pointing a beer bottle at someone and dispensing the alcohol in their direction never killed anyone.

If it's not the gun's fault people are killed, it's not alcohol's fault people are killed. And since many people in this thread seem offended by the idea of people who had their babies murdered looking for a solution because someone else acted irresponsibly, I would expect those same people to be in favor of removing laws which prohibit drinking and driving.
 
I think it is sad but understandable that in their grief they fail to realize that gun control laws would not have saved their children.



However, they get one vote, just like the rest of us...
 
Slyfox696 said:
If it's not the gun's fault people are killed, it's not alcohol's fault people are killed. And since many people in this thread seem offended by the idea of people who had their babies murdered looking for a solution because someone else acted irresponsibly, I would expect those same people to be in favor of removing laws which prohibit drinking and driving.
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No, that's just dumb. While it is not the gun's fault in and of itself, nor is it alcohol's fault in and of itself, it is the use of such by an individual which constitutes harm. Shooting someone is illegal, recklessly endangering others with a gun is illegal. Drinking and driving is reckless endangerment in most cases, it shouldn't be legal just as reckless endangerment with a gun should not be legal. You don't ban guns, you don't ban alcohol, but you do ban reckless endangerment. So let's try to exercise a bit of honesty and intelligence in the debate.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I don't understand your argument. What does mind-altering have to do with anything? I could just as easily make the claim that pointing a beer bottle at someone and dispensing the alcohol in their direction never killed anyone.

If it's not the gun's fault people are killed, it's not alcohol's fault people are killed. And since many people in this thread seem offended by the idea of people who had their babies murdered looking for a solution because someone else acted irresponsibly, I would expect those same people to be in favor of removing laws which prohibit drinking and driving.
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Can you possibly fathom how idiotic yo argument is?
 
Slyfox696 said:
I don't understand your argument. What does mind-altering have to do with anything? I could just as easily make the claim that pointing a beer bottle at someone and dispensing the alcohol in their direction never killed anyone.

If it's not the gun's fault people are killed, it's not alcohol's fault people are killed. And since many people in this thread seem offended by the idea of people who had their babies murdered looking for a solution because someone else acted irresponsibly, I would expect those same people to be in favor of removing laws which prohibit drinking and driving.
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In the same way the we should expect them to advocate for laws which would restrict alcohol consumption commensurate to what gun control advocates expect from gun owners. The same level of consumption restrictions would save far more lives. Yes?
 
apdst said:
Can you possibly fathom how idiotic yo argument is?
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Of course, I've read the exact same argument from gun supporters many times.
BretJ said:
In the same way the we should expect them to advocate for laws which would restrict alcohol consumption commensurate to what gun control advocates expect from gun owners. The same level of consumption restrictions would save far more lives. Yes?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but we already have laws which restrict alcohol use.

I must say I'm not sure I fully understand your post. Could you explain further, in case I missed it?
 
Slyfox696 said:
Of course, I've read the exact same argument from gun supporters many times.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we already have laws which restrict alcohol use.

I must say I'm not sure I fully understand your post. Could you explain further, in case I missed it?
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We already have laws that restrict murder with a firearm, too.

People go on drunken rampages all the time and kill people with guns. Are you ready to ban alcohol the same way you're ready to ban guns?
 
apdst said:
We already have laws that restrict murder with a firearm, too.
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No, we have laws which restrict murder. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe there is a law specifically for guns.

People go on drunken rampages all the time and kill people with guns. Are you ready to ban alcohol the same way you're ready to ban guns?
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First of all, I have no problem with banning alcohol. I don't drink it, I don't understand the fascination Americans have with it and if it were banned tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me one bit.

But who said I want to ban guns? Would I like to ban SOME guns? Sure. All guns? I've never once in my entire life argued that.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Of course, I've read the exact same argument from gun supporters many times.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we already have laws which restrict alcohol use.

I must say I'm not sure I fully understand your post. Could you explain further, in case I missed it?
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We already have laws to restrict illegal firearms use. In order to attain the same levels of success expected from proposed gun control laws, we would have to pass new laws restricting the sale and consumption of alcohol further. Responsible gun owners are being asked to accept restrictions to firearms freedoms in order to possibly prevent deaths caused by less than 1% of all gun owners. Less than 1% of all alcohol consumers are responsible for far more deaths and injuries. If saving lives is the goal, should we not expect the other 99% of responsible drinkers to further restrict their rights to purchase and consume alcohol? We would have to if saving lives is the issue.
 
apdst said:
While I think DUI laws are rediculously strict, it's still a fact that alcohol is a mind altering substance. Are guns a mind altering substance? Do people say, "I'm going to pop a gun ad party my ass off!"?
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Personally I find putting few rounds downrange very calming and relaxing. This time of year I can come home, hang a couple of targets and have enough light to shoot 40-80 rounds. I guess technically it's more like meditation but it could be considered mind altering although in a good way.
 
BretJ said:
We already have laws to restrict illegal firearms use. In order to attain the same levels of success expected from proposed gun control laws, we would have to pass new laws restricting the sale and consumption of alcohol further. Responsible gun owners are being asked to accept restrictions to firearms freedoms in order to possibly prevent deaths caused by less than 1% of all gun owners. Less than 1% of all alcohol consumers are responsible for far more deaths and injuries. If saving lives is the goal, should we not expect the other 99% of responsible drinkers to further restrict their rights to purchase and consume alcohol? We would have to if saving lives is the issue.
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You're twisting my argument around, I think. I'm not arguing drinking and driving should be legal, nor am I arguing anything regarding alcohol laws. I'm saying the same arguments people make about guns could just as easily be made about alcohol.
 
Slyfox696 said:
No, we have laws which restrict murder. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe there is a law specifically for guns.

First of all, I have no problem with banning alcohol. I don't drink it, I don't understand the fascination Americans have with it and if it were banned tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me one bit.

But who said I want to ban guns? Would I like to ban SOME guns? Sure. All guns? I've never once in my entire life argued that.
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Banning some guns is no different than banning all guns.
 
apdst said:
Banning some guns is no different than banning all guns.
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That's a silly thing to say. Using that theory banning some drugs is no different than banning all drugs, so since ibuprofen is sold over the counter so should cocaine.
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's a silly thing to say. Using that theory banning some drugs is no different than banning all drugs, so since ibuprofen is sold over the counter so should cocaine.
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I'm for full legalization.
 
Slyfox696 said:
That's a silly thing to say. Using that theory banning some drugs is no different than banning all drugs, so since ibuprofen is sold over the counter so should cocaine.
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It's exactly the thing to say.
 
Ikari said:
I'm for full legalization.
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Arbo said:
Yes, it should.
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apdst said:
It's exactly the thing to say.
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Not what I was expecting, though I applaud you on the consistency. Would banning some criminals from certain things be the same as banning all criminals? For example, if we banned convicted child molesters from working in a day care would that be the same as banning someone who plead guilty to a speeding violation?

While I'm trying to make a point, I'm also genuinely curious as to how far you believe the some is the equal of the whole.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Not what I was expecting, though I applaud you on the consistency. Would banning some criminals from certain things be the same as banning all criminals? For example, if we banned convicted child molesters from working in a day care would that be the same as banning someone who plead guilty to a speeding violation?

While I'm trying to make a point, I'm also genuinely curious as to how far you believe the some is the equal of the whole.
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Once one's punishment phase is through with the courts, including jail time, community service, parole, etc. all right and liberties should once again be recognized.
 
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