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Another case for mandatory gun safety courses to own a gun.....

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Wayne LaPierre tells Utah feds want to seize guns | The Salt Lake Tribune


In Utah where this photo was taken it's illegal for children to open carry in public. But the pro-gun enthusiast attending LaPierre's gun rally with his kid obviously doesn't know or care what the current gun laws are. Is he a law abiding gun owner in your eyes?

That kind of willful ignorance and negligence, especially around children, is exactly why there should be mandatory gun safety courses in order to own a gun and stronger penalties for breaking existing gun laws.
 
Methodology: Find one person doing something stupid or questionable, and imply that all persons of Category X are similarly stupid and therefore we must have Law Y.


Noted... and disagreed with.
 
Moot said:
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Wayne LaPierre tells Utah feds want to seize guns | The Salt Lake Tribune


In Utah where this photo was taken it's illegal for children to open carry in public. But the pro-gun enthusiast attending LaPierre's gun rally with his kid obviously doesn't know or care what the current gun laws are. Is he a law abiding gun owner in your eyes?

That kind of willful ignorance and negligence, especially around children, is exactly why there should be mandatory gun safety courses in order to own a gun and stronger penalties for breaking existing gun laws.
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What does this have to do with gun safety? Did the child handle the weapon unsafely? Did he muzzle anyone or ever even touch the trigger?

Sounds like a stupid law to me.
 
How much you want to bet that boy has received training on that firearm?
 
Goshin said:
Methodology: Find one person doing something stupid or questionable, and imply that all persons of Category X are similarly stupid and therefore we must have Law Y.


Noted... and disagreed with.
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It only takes one bullet to kill someone, too. Find one stupid gun owner and there's bound to be hundreds more out there just like him, especially if you consider they're all getting their information from the NRA.

At the same rally there was also a three year old that was open carrying a pink "Hello Kitty" rifle that matched her pink jacket.
 
Moot said:
It only takes one bullet to kill someone, too. Find one stupid gun owner and there's bound to be hundreds more out there just like him, especially if you consider they're all getting their information from the NRA.

At the same rally there was also a three year old that was open carrying a pink "Hello Kitty" rifle that matched her pink jacket.
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Actually, that kid was doing nothing wrong in the picture. I know, you go for the emotional argument hundreds of times but all you do is make assumptive statements that aren't based on any facts. I'm not an NRA fan or member BUT your go to argument of "well the NRA........" is a running fallacy, the fact is the NRA does have a training program, and, unlike most gun grabbers they have and provide knowledge of the subject to anyone interested.
 
Lachean said:
What does this have to do with gun safety? Did the child handle the weapon unsafely? Did he muzzle anyone or ever even touch the trigger?

Sounds like a stupid law to me.
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Not allowing children open carry guns in public is a stupid law to you? Really?



If the father is ignorant of the state gun laws, then I wouldn't trust his intellegence on gun safety, either.
 
Moot said:
Not allowing children open carry guns in public is a stupid law to you? Really?



If the father is ignorant of the state gun laws, then I wouldn't trust his intellegence on gun safety, either.
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And the fact that people see nothing wrong with this criminal doesn't say much about the so-called "responsible gun owners"

This just shows that their claims to want existing laws to be enforced are dishonest
 
Moot said:
Not allowing children open carry guns in public is a stupid law to you? Really?
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The child was obviously with his/her parent. Otherwise you must be 18. So no one is "allowing" children to open carry without said guardian or parent.

Moot said:
If the father is ignorant of the state gun laws, then I wouldn't trust his intellegence on gun safety, either.
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The only one ignorant of the state laws are you.
 
sangha said:
And the fact that people see nothing wrong with this criminal doesn't say much about the so-called "responsible gun owners"

This just shows that their claims to want existing laws to be enforced are dishonest
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If anything Moot pointed out were true, you would have a good point. They were not true and nothing but bad guesses and hyperbole on her part.
 
Moot said:
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Wayne LaPierre tells Utah feds want to seize guns | The Salt Lake Tribune


In Utah where this photo was taken it's illegal for children to open carry in public. But the pro-gun enthusiast attending LaPierre's gun rally with his kid obviously doesn't know or care what the current gun laws are. Is he a law abiding gun owner in your eyes?

That kind of willful ignorance and negligence, especially around children, is exactly why there should be mandatory gun safety courses in order to own a gun and stronger penalties for breaking existing gun laws.
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The child is not pointing his weapon at anyone,his finger is not on the trigger and he isn't doing any stupid **** with his firearm.So if anything the photo proves that the child and father are demonstrating firearm safety.
 
How many arrests were made at that rally? I'm certain considering it received a fair amount of attention that the police must have rushed in their right away and seized those firearms and cited the father...right? Any mishaps? Any litter left behind? ANYTHING???

Yeah boy...lets pass some sort of new law...ANY law!
 
It is irresponsible to allow a child to carry in public and is illegal. It's one thing if they are hunting together, it's another when the kid is carrying at a public rally. Gun control or not, the law is the law.
 
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If you have a problem with someone else's child open carrying, tough ****. It's not your kid. If you think it's best for your child's safety to not open carry, don't let them carry. Pretty simple really.
 
jamesrage said:
The child is not pointing his weapon at anyone,his finger is not on the trigger and he isn't doing any stupid **** with his firearm.So if anything the photo proves that the child and father are demonstrating firearm safety.
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And the kid is showing more knowledge of safe handling than Dianne Feinswine ever showed in her, "sweeping the room, finger on trigger, unfocused carry" photo ops.
 
Black Manta said:
The child was obviously with his/her parent. Otherwise you must be 18. So no one is "allowing" children to open carry without said guardian or parent.



The only one ignorant of the state laws are you.
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Firearm Laws | Utah Department of Public Safety

It is unlawful for a minor under 18 to possess a handgun unless the minor:
1.Is a patron of a lawfully operated target concession at an amusement center and the firearms used are chained or affixed to the counters;
2.Is in attendance at a hunter's safety course;
3.Is engaged in practice at a range or other area where discharge of a firearm is not prohibited by law;
4.Is engaged in organized competition;
5.Is on real property with the permission of the owner, licensee, or lessee of the property and has permission of a parent or guardian or the owner to possess a firearm;
6.Is hunting lawfully;
7.Is traveling to or from any activity listed above.
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digsbe said:
It is irresponsibly to allow a child to carry in public and is illegal. It's one thing if they are hunting together, it's another when the kid is carrying at a public rally. Gun control or not, the law is the law.
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I can't agree more with the bolded statement. Just because you don't agree with a law, doesn't give you the right to break it. You live in a civilized society that deemed this law appropriate. If you disagree, move somewhere else where the collective minds think more along your lines.
 
digsbe said:
It is irresponsibly to allow a child to carry in public and is illegal. It's one thing if they are hunting together, it's another when the kid is carrying at a public rally. Gun control or not, the law is the law.
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There's nothing illegal about it. A child in the presence of a guardian may possess a firearm. The crime would be if the child was brandishing, that would be endangerment.
 
digsbe said:
It is irresponsibly to allow a child to carry in public and is illegal. It's one thing if they are hunting together, it's another when the kid is carrying at a public rally. Gun control or not, the law is the law.
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How much do you want to bet there was not ammunition in the magazine? In the photo in question a police officer spoke to the dad, and the dad slung the rifle over his shoulder. No citation, no incident. In that crowd of 1200 a large number were open carrying semiautomatic weapons and shockingly...none of those guns jumped out and shot anyone.
 
LaMidRighter said:
There's nothing illegal about it. A child in the presence of a guardian may possess a firearm. The crime would be if the child was brandishing, that would be endangerment.
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A police officer did have the dad sling the weapon over his own shoulder. The cop mentioned it, the father complied, no arrests, no citations. It was a peaceful observance and gathering.
 
sangha said:
Firearm Laws | Utah Department of Public Safety

It is unlawful for a minor under 18 to possess a handgun unless the minor:
1.Is a patron of a lawfully operated target concession at an amusement center and the firearms used are chained or affixed to the counters;
2.Is in attendance at a hunter's safety course;
3.Is engaged in practice at a range or other area where discharge of a firearm is not prohibited by law;
4.Is engaged in organized competition;
5.Is on real property with the permission of the owner, licensee, or lessee of the property and has permission of a parent or guardian or the owner to possess a firearm;
6.Is hunting lawfully;
7.Is traveling to or from any activity listed above.
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As soon as you show me the handgun the minor posses in the picture, I will consider this post more than a bad joke. :lol:
 
LaMidRighter said:
There's nothing illegal about it. A child in the presence of a guardian may possess a firearm. The crime would be if the child was brandishing, that would be endangerment.
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Personally I think that's foolish to allow. Under no circumstance does a child need to be carrying a weapon in public even in the presence of a guardian. It may be legal, I'm unsure about Utah gun laws and took the OP's word on it.
 
Moot said:
It only takes one bullet to kill someone, too. Find one stupid gun owner and there's bound to be hundreds more out there just like him, especially if you consider they're all getting their information from the NRA.

At the same rally there was also a three year old that was open carrying a pink "Hello Kitty" rifle that matched her pink jacket.
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG clear the streets! :lol: Tell me what danger this posed please. You're not serious right?
 
VanceMack said:
A police officer did have the dad sling the weapon over his own shoulder. The cop mentioned it, the father complied, no arrests, no citations. It was a peaceful observance and gathering.
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What I'm saying is I don't know of a single minor prohibition on the books when they are in the presence of a legal guardian. The police can ask the father to take possession of the weapon, but I don't believe it to have the force of law. Of course, I would comply with the request as well, it's just better in that type of environment to keep the situation calm for all involved.
 
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