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Do Gun Free Zones actually protect people?

Lutherf said:
That's the way it is here. Even most bars aren't posted if they have a decent food business. I can't think of a bank or grocery store that's posted.

I was at a popular casual dining place the other day and noticed that they were posted but the idiots had the sign up on the wall behind the counter. You had to be 20 feet into the place before you might have seen the sign. Fortunately, the way the law is if the sign isn't evident you can't get in trouble unless you have already been notified (someone with an agenda).
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Same here, the state made requirements that the signs had to be so big and prominent and look like thus-and-so, before you could get into any trouble over it. Half the (few) places that are posted aren't legally posted, so I ignore them since their signs are not compliant with the law.
 
Laws mean nothing to villains.

One of the reasons why, I need more than ten rounds and an AR
 
ric27 said:
Laws mean nothing to villains.

One of the reasons why, I need more than ten rounds and an AR
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more and more thugs are wearing body armor meaning you might have to hit them a few times to stun them so you can close and stick the barrel in their mouth or the back of their heads
 
Goshin said:
Same here, the state made requirements that the signs had to be so big and prominent and look like thus-and-so, before you could get into any trouble over it. Half the (few) places that are posted aren't legally posted, so I ignore them since their signs are not compliant with the law.
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Since we're on the subject, I had to run down to the Dept. of Revenue yesterday which is in the state building and do you think that they have the sign everyone else is supposed to? Hell no! They do have the code section stenciled on the doors but no sign whatsoever.
 
TurtleDude said:
more and more thugs are wearing body armor meaning you might have to hit them a few times to stun them so you can close and stick the barrel in their mouth or the back of their heads
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You realize that....now the catch phrase is semi-automatic :roll:

Incidentally, I bet your guns have killed less people then Ted Kennedy's car..lol
 
ric27 said:
You realize that....now the catch phrase is semi-automatic :roll:

Incidentally, I bet your guns have killed less people then Ted Kennedy's car..lol
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true enough

before Josh Sugarmann told the media to use that term it was used less than 50 times in the ten years prior to his paper. The year afterwards-thousands of times

we had Semi auto revolvers
semi auto pump shotguns

every gun used in any crime became
semi auto
 
Goshin said:
Same here, the state made requirements that the signs had to be so big and prominent and look like thus-and-so, before you could get into any trouble over it. Half the (few) places that are posted aren't legally posted, so I ignore them since their signs are not compliant with the law.
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I think a small no carry sign is a CYA against robbers and other criminals, they aren't going to follow it anyway, in principle the owner may be neutral to carry, but doesn't want to be liable in a frivolous endangerment suit if something goes down. At least that's my theory, the owners who are decidedly anti gun will have the no firearms sign in a prominent place.

I personally would rather this in my place.
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TurtleDude said:
true enough

before Josh Sugarmann told the media to use that term it was used less than 50 times in the ten years prior to his paper. The year afterwards-thousands of times

we had Semi auto revolvers
semi auto pump shotguns

every gun used in any crime became
semi auto
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As for that little idiot, shooting is too good for dishonest little pieced of crap like him. I'd much rather see him get toothpasted by a runaway steamroller.
 
LaMidRighter said:
As for that little idiot, shooting is too good for dishonest little pieced of crap like him. I'd much rather see him get toothpasted by a runaway steamroller.
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the best thing that could happen is if a bunch of crazed rapists invaded his home and he got "death by bongo"
 
LaMidRighter said:
I think a small no carry sign is a CYA against robbers and other criminals, they aren't going to follow it anyway, in principle the owner may be neutral to carry, but doesn't want to be liable in a frivolous endangerment suit if something goes down. At least that's my theory, the owners who are decidedly anti gun will have the no firearms sign in a prominent place.

I personally would rather this in my place.
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Love that sign! :)
 
Goshin said:
Love that sign! :)
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an old green beret I knew ran a bar years ago-sadly he died and the bar is gone. the men's room had troughs you peed in and they had a couple stickers

one of course was "we're not FONDA Hanoi Jane with a picture of Ms Fonda in her famous striped leotard

the other had a pistol and a bullseye with WE AIM TO PLEASE SO PLEASE AIM


might have to get some of the latter decals
 
Maybe they do and maybe they don't the point is that ANYONE who carries in a legally marked gun free zone is breaking the law and is therefore a criminal. Gunnies included
 
wolfman24 said:
Maybe they do and maybe they don't the point is that ANYONE who carries in a legally marked gun free zone is breaking the law and is therefore a criminal. Gunnies included
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No, the POINT is that those inclined to murder don't obey "gun free zone" laws or signs.... in fact they apparently prefer to commit their atrocities there, since all it means is "unarmed victims available here!" :roll:
 
wolfman24 said:
Maybe they do and maybe they don't the point is that ANYONE who carries in a legally marked gun free zone is breaking the law and is therefore a criminal. Gunnies included
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actually its called trespassing-a minor misdemeanor

should those who put up signs be civilly responsible for mass murders? I sure hope the Aurora victims sue the movie theater into bankruptcy
 
Goshin said:
No, the POINT is that those inclined to murder don't obey "gun free zone" laws or signs.... in fact they apparently prefer to commit their atrocities there, since all it means is "unarmed victims available here!" :roll:
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Its absolutely amazing how devoid of logic the anti gun people are. As I noted, for their schemes to work and have validity they must assume that people who follow the laws against murder, rape and robbery will ignore gun laws and those who violate the laws against rape murder and robbery will obey a gun law
 
wolfman24 said:
Maybe they do and maybe they don't the point is that ANYONE who carries in a legally marked gun free zone is breaking the law and is therefore a criminal. Gunnies included
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Criminals and terrorists like to strike at places where there are plenty of harmless victims.....which corresponds well to *gun free zones* and other nonsense.
 
I let my wife carry for me in gun free zones and locations where there are many Cops. She can hand the gun to me almost as fast as I can draw it. There are quite a few other advantages to this system.
 
TurtleDude said:
Its absolutely amazing how devoid of logic the anti gun people are. As I noted, for their schemes to work and have validity they must assume that people who follow the laws against murder, rape and robbery will ignore gun laws and those who violate the laws against rape murder and robbery will obey a gun law
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I think it is often a case of denial. The notion of encountering an armed scumbag or crazy is so frightening that some want to cling to whatever hope is present them... voila, politicians trumpet gun control as the answer and they grab onto it like a life preserver. "You MUST not question the life preserver, it WILL protect me!"

No doubt someone will say "gunners" like us are the same, but our true-believerism is fixated on guns... perhaps in some cases, but in my own case (and yours I know) we have personal experience to draw on where being armed DID protect us... whereas one need only look at the murder stats in DC and similar areas to see that gun control makes a poor float to bet your life on.
 
Goshin said:
I think it is often a case of denial. The notion of encountering .... that some want to cling to whatever hope is present them... "You MUST not question the life preserver, it WILL protect me!"
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You make gunners sound like the religious.
 
blaxshep said:
You make gunners sound like the religious.
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Anti's, actually. A lot of times many of them do sound like they have blind faith in gun control... many seem impervious to facts, statistics, logic and reason.
 
gun free zones tend to protect the active killers for a short period of time until they become full of officers with guns

no one else
 
ric27 said:
Criminals and terrorists like to strike at places where there are plenty of harmless victims.....which corresponds well to *gun free zones* and other nonsense.
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So are you comparing the gunnies who break this law with the people you mentioned? They break the law and don't seem to care. And we are expect6d to think they have our backs?
 
ric27 said:
Criminals and terrorists like to strike at places where there are plenty of harmless victims.....which corresponds well to *gun free zones* and other nonsense.
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So are you comparing the gunnies who break this law with the people you mentioned? They break the law and don't seem to care. And we are e
 
wolfman24 said:
So are you comparing the gunnies who break this law with the people you mentioned? They break the law and don't seem to care. And we are expect6d to think they have our backs?
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Actually, regardless of "Gun Free Zone" or not, I carry to protect my family first and my life second. Something bad happens, my first and only priority is to get my family to safety. I will not engage a shooter unless he/she/they interfere with priority one. You are responsible for your own back and your own family. If you do not have the means or willingness to protect either, that is your choice.
 
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