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Moot said:
I'm glad he did. Coal isn't good for breathing and people want more renewable cleaner burning sources. The government would have subsidize the coal industry to keep jobs, like they do for nuclear power (also banking, agriculture, military, etc.) ....and that's not free market, either. Laissez faire free market is a joke.
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If people actually cared about cleaner and renewable.. they'd go Nuclear. But we know that's not the case. Nuclear and Coal are the LEAST subsidized energy in the US.
 
austrianecon said:
If people actually cared about cleaner and renewable.. they'd go Nuclear. But we know that's not the case. Nuclear and Coal are the LEAST subsidized energy in the US.
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how clean and renewable is a stockpile of nuclear waste
 
austrianecon said:
If people actually cared about cleaner and renewable.. they'd go Nuclear. But we know that's not the case. Nuclear and Coal are the LEAST subsidized energy in the US.
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The public doesn't accept the risk of nuclear power. I suspect it's because they don't trust leaders, government or plant owners to tell them the truth when a meltdown occurs until after the damage is done.

I think nuclear power has been subsidized since the first power plant went on line. I think renewable energy deserves just as much R&D and subsidies as nuclear power and fossil fuels have enjoyed for the last forty or fifty years or more. I don't think we should rely on just one or two sources for power. We should always be looking for cleaner, safer and more renewable sources of energy.
 
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Agreed.

The price of failure for nuclear power is too great. And failure WILL happen with any system, it's just a matter of time.
 
Moot said:
The public doesn't accept the risk of nuclear power. I suspect it's because they don't trust leaders, government or plant owners to tell them the truth when a meltdown occurs until after the damage is done.

I think nuclear power has been subsidized since the first power plant went on line. I think renewable energy deserves just as much R&D and subsidies as nuclear power and fossil fuels have enjoyed for the last forty or fifty years or more. I don't think we should rely on just one or two sources for power. We should always be looking for cleaner, safer and more renewable sources of energy.
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And this is baloney.. so we can have ships and subs powered by nuclear power.. but our electricity is a no? Nuclear power is very safe.
It's extremely safe if you locate plants were earthquake's are subpar in size. Thorium powered plants will be very safe.

Nuclear power was subsidized because the left over material was bought by Uncle Sam to make nuclear weapons and because of the high standards to begin a project.
 
Critter7r said:
Agreed.

The price of failure for nuclear power is too great. And failure WILL happen with any system, it's just a matter of time.
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LOL.. there has only really been 3 real incidents in the whole world since Nuclear plants have been around. 1 was natural (Japan Earthquake), and the other two in Soviet Union and then TMI (Three Mile Island).
 
austrianecon said:
And this is baloney.. so we can have ships and subs powered by nuclear power.. but our electricity is a no? Nuclear power is very safe.
It's extremely safe if you locate plants were earthquake's are subpar in size. Thorium powered plants will be very safe.

Nuclear power was subsidized because the left over material was bought by Uncle Sam to make nuclear weapons and because of the high standards to begin a project.
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Three mile island, Chernobyl, Japan and the myriad of close calls and accidents due to human error didn't set very well in peoples minds. They developed a NIMBY attitude toward nuclear power.

As a side...we still have a lot "downwinders" in the Southwest. It was a slap in their faces to try and build the Yucca nuclear waste facility right under their noses. The irony is...the southwest doesn't even have or use nuclear power.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...rds-under-radiation-exposure-compensation-act
 
Moot said:
Three mile island, Chernobyl, Japan and the myriad of close calls and accidents due to human error didn't set very well in peoples minds. They developed a NIMBY attitude toward nuclear power.

As a side...we still have a lot "downwinders" in the Southwest. It was a slap in their faces to try and build the Yucca nuclear waste facility right under their noses. The irony is...the southwest doesn't even have or use nuclear power.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...rds-under-radiation-exposure-compensation-act
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Close calls happen... happens in Oil, Coal, Hydro and even Solar. Just the nature of the beast trying to tame energy into power. The NIMBY is applied to many issues. Rich liberals in Orange County, CA pulled the NIMBY card over a plan to turn El Toro (Marine Air Station) into an International Airport. Hell, Cape Wind project had the Kennedy family and Kerry family do a NIMBY.

Yucca is still gonna happen, like it or not.. may not be Yucca but somewhere it's gonna happen. Yucca make sense because let's be honest those downwinders are full of ****. Nukes were tested in the area. Oh and there is 4 plants in the Southwest, 3 in California, one in Arizona, Palo Verde is largest facility in the US by generation, and is joint owned by several power companies in several southwest states. Then there is Los Alamos.

Those compensation payouts are do to nuke testing. Not nuclear power.
 
austrianecon said:
Close calls happen... happens in Oil, Coal, Hydro and even Solar. Just the nature of the beast trying to tame energy into power. The NIMBY is applied to many issues. Rich liberals in Orange County, CA pulled the NIMBY card over a plan to turn El Toro (Marine Air Station) into an International Airport. Hell, Cape Wind project had the Kennedy family and Kerry family do a NIMBY.

Yucca is still gonna happen, like it or not.. may not be Yucca but somewhere it's gonna happen. Yucca make sense because let's be honest those downwinders are full of ****. Nukes were tested in the area. Oh and there is 4 plants in the Southwest, 3 in California, one in Arizona, Palo Verde is largest facility in the US by generation, and is joint owned by several power companies in several southwest states. Then there is Los Alamos.

Those compensation payouts are do to nuke testing. Not nuclear power.
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Don't forget about Trump's NIMBYs....

"...One of the NIMBYs in this case is a big one -- Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago, which lies under the flight path for the parallel runways. Trump attorney Neal McAliley has lobbied the FAA to consider peak-hour pricing to reduce congestion....

Palm Beach Newspaper Rails Against PBI Expansion In Editorial | Aero-News Network


And his golf course in Scotland...

Donald Trump goes to Supreme Court over Menie wind farm - BBC News​


Still no nuclear power plants in Utah...yet. But the state already stores more than it's share of nuclear and chemical waste...near the Goshute Indian Reservation. Poor Indians...they always seem to get the short end of the deal.

Radiation poisoning is still radiation poisoning....and it's invisible.
 
Moot said:
Don't forget about Trump's NIMBYs....

"...One of the NIMBYs in this case is a big one -- Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago, which lies under the flight path for the parallel runways. Trump attorney Neal McAliley has lobbied the FAA to consider peak-hour pricing to reduce congestion....

Palm Beach Newspaper Rails Against PBI Expansion In Editorial | Aero-News Network


And his golf course in Scotland...

Donald Trump goes to Supreme Court over Menie wind farm - BBC News​


Still no nuclear power plants in Utah...yet. But the state already stores more than it's share of nuclear and chemical waste...near the Goshute Indian Reservation. Poor Indians...they always seem to get the short end of the deal.

Radiation poisoning is still radiation poisoning....and it's invisible.
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Of course it is.. radiation is a natural thing. ;)
 
austrianecon said:
Close calls happen... happens in Oil, Coal, Hydro and even Solar. Just the nature of the beast trying to tame energy into power. The NIMBY is applied to many issues. Rich liberals in Orange County, CA pulled the NIMBY card over a plan to turn El Toro (Marine Air Station) into an International Airport. Hell, Cape Wind project had the Kennedy family and Kerry family do a NIMBY.
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Nice.

Let's pretend that liberals are the only ones that pull the NIMBY card.

Poor conservatives in my hometown pulled the NIMBY card regarding a dog park. "We want a dog park, just not there. Because we live right next to the location being considered". Hell you'd have thought it WAS a nuclear plant we were considering building.
 
Critter7r said:
Nice.

Let's pretend that liberals are the only ones that pull the NIMBY card.

Poor conservatives in my hometown pulled the NIMBY card regarding a dog park. "We want a dog park, just not there. Because we live right next to the location being considered". Hell you'd have thought it WAS a nuclear plant we were considering building.
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I guess I must live in a liberal neighborhood. Part of the appeal of my apartment is that it is like 100 feet away from a dog park.
 
austrianecon said:
Close calls happen... happens in Oil, Coal, Hydro and even Solar.
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Wait a second...what's a close call for solar? Sunburns from installing them outdoors? A sun spill...like an oil spill except with sunshine?

Surely there are better ways to power our society than digging up highly toxic elements, spinning them in a centrifuge, and dunking them in water, right??
 
Incisor said:
Wait a second...what's a close call for solar? Sunburns from installing them outdoors? A sun spill...like an oil spill except with sunshine?

Surely there are better ways to power our society than digging up highly toxic elements, spinning them in a centrifuge, and dunking them in water, right??
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Ivanpah solar plant (in Mojave) caught fire earlier this year due to it's solar panels.
 
austrianecon said:
Ivanpah solar plant (in Mojave) caught fire earlier this year due to it's solar panels.
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Right, but that didn't result in an oil spill that destroyed the environment.
 
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