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The COLA Fro 2017 Will Be .02%!!!!!

Kushinator said:
What liberals claimed it wasn't enough in this thread?
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I learned a long time ago that the "leans" posted by members here are very misleading. I was honest about mine but many are blatantly false and purposely misleading and dishonest.
 
Moderate Right said:
I learned a long time ago that the "leans" posted by members here are very misleading. I was honest about mine but many are blatantly false and purposely misleading and dishonest.
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Wow, that is just desperate. And sad.

There is no question that rhinefire is hard right. Go read some of his posts. We'll wait. ;)
 
Visbek said:
Wow, that is just desperate. And sad.

There is no question that rhinefire is hard right. Go read some of his posts. We'll wait. ;)
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I wasn't talking about him. Just like a liberal who himself thinks he can fool us by using a "lean" that says undisclosed, exactly what I am talking about. Why don't you just fess up and change your lean to liberal? Are you scared of the truth?
 
Moderate Right said:
I wasn't talking about him. Just like a liberal who himself thinks he can fool us by using a "lean" that says undisclosed, exactly what I am talking about. Why don't you just fess up and change your lean to liberal? Are you scared of the truth?
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Yes, we get it.

You were talking about the liberal who resides in your head and tells you stuff.
 
Moderate Right said:
I just worded it badly. I am claiming that liberals are all for indexing the minimum wage to inflation but are now complaining about the amount of the COLA adjustment not being enough, even though it is indexed to inflation.
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I think what they are upset about is that the low COLA is based upon the decline in gas prices. But have you seen what's happened to food this year? It's unbelievable. And there are a lot of seniors who no longer drive, but still have to eat. Sometimes COLA doesn't accurately represent inflation for some. But it can work they other way around too. When gas prices skyrocketed, COLA was much higher.

So, in the long run, it balances out, but human nature being what it is, many people are only going to look at the short term effects, saying nothing if the increase is high, and complaining if it is low.
 
danarhea said:
I think what they are upset about is that the low COLA is based upon the decline in gas prices. But have you seen what's happened to food this year? It's unbelievable. And there are a lot of seniors who no longer drive, but still have to eat. Sometimes COLA doesn't accurately represent inflation for some. But it can work they other way around too. When gas prices skyrocketed, COLA was much higher.

So, in the long run, it balances out, but human nature being what it is, many people are only going to look at the short term effects, saying nothing if the increase is high, and complaining if it is low.
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I've seen what happened to US food inflation this year.

It IS unbelievable how close we are to deflation.

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danarhea said:
I think what they are upset about is that the low COLA is based upon the decline in gas prices. But have you seen what's happened to food this year? It's unbelievable. And there are a lot of seniors who no longer drive, but still have to eat. Sometimes COLA doesn't accurately represent inflation for some. But it can work they other way around too. When gas prices skyrocketed, COLA was much higher.

So, in the long run, it balances out, but human nature being what it is, many people are only going to look at the short term effects, saying nothing if the increase is high, and complaining if it is low.
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I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Liberals use arguments like yours to justify this stuff but when I argue that inflation is only low due to gas prices all of a sudden they don't buy it and want to debate how overall inflation is low and is nothing to worry about.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Liberals use arguments like yours to justify this stuff but when I argue that inflation is only low due to gas prices all of a sudden they don't buy it and want to debate how overall inflation is low and is nothing to worry about.
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What the...?

No one is denying that low gas prices are a major reason for the low inflation we've seen over the past year or so. Guess what happens when energy prices drop? The cost of almost everything else drops. We use energy to generate, distribute and store goods; we use energy to support and consume services.

We even have a consumer price index specifically for the elderly (CPI-E). Guess what? It very closely tracks CPI-U (all consumers).

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These are not questions of ideology. They're questions about economic measurements.

This recognition doesn't justify your accusation. Many people from a variety of political ideologies want to change Social Security payments, either up or down, and the reasons vary. The people who think that Social Security doesn't pay enough are not basing that on claims about inaccuracies of inflation; it's because they want to provide the elderly with greater benefits. Or, some conservatives may say that people today are paying more into SS than they will collect in payroll taxes (note, that's only true if you ignore Medicare; when the two are combined, most beneficiaries collect more than they paid in.) Or, some liberals may recognize that SS is growing faster than collections, and propose a cut in benefits along with an increase in taxes to keep the segregated payroll tax system "solvent."

My views on SS are hardly a secret, I've posted on that topic many times, and I'm highly confident I've never said COLA adjustments were insufficient. I certainly do not routinely criticize official US inflation figures; in fact, I'm often the one defending them. I also regard single-year increases in SS above the official inflation rate as little more than political pandering.

I realize that hyper-partisan individuals are hypersensitive to perceptions of hypocrisy, but yeah, there is none of that here. It's all in your head.
 
pinqy said:
He never said liberals complained that SS COLA is too big. He said the opposite: that liberals think it's not enough.
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Yes, but what liberal is he talking about? As I asked, would liberals be the ones likely to say the COLA shouldn't be larger?

>>you blame conservatives.

When did I ever suggest that?

>>I find the suggestion that I should disagree with someone solely based on their politics offensive.

Same question. When did I suggest that you should?

Moderate Right said:
they … want to debate how overall inflation is low and is nothing to worry about.
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We'll debate the question of whether or not there are reasons to fear inflation in anything but the long-term, but since overall inflation is low, we don't see any reason to debate that.
 
mmi said:
Yes, but what liberal is he talking about? As I asked, would liberals be the ones likely to say the COLA shouldn't be larger?

>>you blame conservatives.

When did I ever suggest that?

>>I find the suggestion that I should disagree with someone solely based on their politics offensive.

Same question. When did I suggest that you should?



We'll debate the question of whether or not there are reasons to fear inflation in anything but the long-term, but since overall inflation is low, we don't see any reason to debate that.
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COLA is low because inflation is low. If you want to cry about COLA then let's not link anything to inflation, including minimum wage increases.
 
pinqy said:
Huh? No one is against SSA COLA being g adjusted for inflation.
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I am. Eliminating the COLA is one of the only politically achievable ways to share the cost of the program's funding problems with current and near-term beneficiaries.
 
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