According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour [W: 676]

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mmi said:

I ask again, are you "punished" if you get a ticket or licence suspension for driving without insurance?

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I already answered that question, read my past posts

When I pay income tax, as I have every year since I was fifteen, while never making it out of the second quintile, am I being "punished"? Under Clinton45's proposal, the estimated average increase in income taxes for that group is $15. Is that "punishment" for my success?

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Raising taxes strictly on the rich is targeting the successful.

>>This is no different than punishing the poor for not buying into Obamacare.

I'd say that's not "punishment" either. If I go to a doctor and receive a bill, am I being "punished"?

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If you go to a Dr. you received services provided by that DR. You get a bill for that service. Now if you don't buy into Ocare you are punished for not wanting that service. I know you don't get it but that's OK

>>But that's OK, I know you don't get it.

I figure I do "get it." You don't like the ACA.

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You don't get it at all, but you do get I don't like Ocare. For the people that don't want that service they are punished.

Imo, the "Trump card" isn't really sarcasm, it's a combination of egotheism, McCarthyism, bigjoeism, and assholeism. That sentence is my contribution to neologistic mickleism.

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That's your opinion, and your opinion means nothing to me.

>>You guys have no idea what your talking about.

Perhaps you could enlighten us, I mean more than you have already.

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Thank you, yes I have enlightened you and I appreciate you wanting more enlightenment, stay tuned more is coming.

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Born Free said:

I already answered that question, read my past posts

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Answered it in this thread? Not that I noticed. Where? Here it is again: "Are you 'punished' if you get a ticket or licence suspension for driving without insurance?"

>>Raising taxes strictly on the rich is targeting the successful.

A variety of factors has caused income to accumulate at the top over the past thirty-five years — globalisation, automation, a higher return on education, AND massive and completely unproductive tax cut giveaways to wealthy households.



In light of this, doesn't it make sense to seek to counter those effects by raising taxes at the top end?

>>If you go to a Dr. you received services provided by that DR. You get a bill for that service. Now if you don't buy into Ocare you are punished for not wanting that service.

I'd say yer not "punished," but rather "get a bill" for having what would otherwise be FREE access to very expensive emergency room care. Should people who do not avail themselves of the opportunity to purchase health insurance be turned away at the emergency room door? Would they be willing to accept that as an alternative to paying the penalty?

>>people that don't want that service they are punished.

Again, they're being charged for what would otherwise be free access to emergency room care.

>>your opinion means nothing to me.

I grant you the same distinction.

>>yes I have enlightened you and I appreciate you wanting more enlightenment, stay tuned more is coming.

I'm still waiting for it to start. I figure yer in the dark and not enlightening anyone.

Btw, yer most recent post was hard to follow. Please learn to use the QUOTE tag properly. ☺

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mmi said:

>>If you go to a Dr. you received services provided by that DR. You get a bill for that service. Now if you don't buy into Ocare you are punished for not wanting that service.

I'd say yer not "punished," but rather "get a bill" for having what would otherwise be FREE access to very expensive emergency room care. Should people who do not avail themselves of the opportunity to purchase health insurance be turned away at the emergency room door? Would they be willing to accept that as an alternative to paying the penalty?

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I can't explain it any better, if you don't want to buy Ocare you are punished for not wanting to buy this service. You use a false assumption that everyone is going to use the ER. Not so.

>>people that don't want that service they are punished.

Again, they're being charged for what would otherwise be free access to emergency room care.

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False assumption. You make up excuses to justify punishing people

Btw, yer most recent post was hard to follow. Please learn to use the QUOTE tag properly. ☺

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I do that on purpose just to hear you bitch. Consider it punishment or a tax :lamo

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Born Free said:

I can't explain it any better

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Well, don't feel bad, you never had any chance of doing so.

>>You use a false assumption that everyone is going to use the ER.

I am NOT assuming that. I'm saying everyone has access to it. If those willing to sign a waiver saying they cannot have access to emergency services would do so, I might consider withdrawing my support for the penalty in those cases. And I might want the family to pay for picking up the corpse and cleaning up the mess, if any.

>>I do that on purpose just to hear you bitch.

Oh I knew that already. And I didn't "bitch," … bitch. I made a polite request.

>>Consider it punishment or a tax "lmao:

I consider it what it is — childish pestiferousness. I might add that if you laugh it all off, there'll be nothing left of you.

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mmi said:

Well, don't feel bad, you never had any chance of doing so.

>>You use a false assumption that everyone is going to use the ER.

I am NOT assuming that. I'm saying everyone has access to it. If those willing to sign a waiver saying they cannot have access to emergency services would do so, I might consider withdrawing my support for the penalty in those cases. And I might want the family to pay for picking up the corpse and cleaning up the mess, if any.

>>I do that on purpose just to hear you bitch.

Oh I knew that already. And I didn't "bitch," … bitch. I made a polite request.

>>Consider it punishment or a tax "lmao:

I consider it what it is — childish pestiferousness. I might add that if you laugh it all off, there'll be nothing left of you.

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You lefties have no humor, lighten up a little.

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Born Free said:

You lefties have no humor, lighten up a little.

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OK. And in light of the earlier moderator warning, I take it all back. ☺

Hey, the ACA is a very clumsy mechanism. Obummer was trying to change a tire on a moving car while being whacked on the back of head by the GOP and its teabugger army. I think he got all the lug nuts tightened to where they won't come off, by it is a bit wobbly.

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mmi said:

OK. And in light of the earlier moderator warning, I take it all back. ☺

Hey, the ACA is a very clumsy mechanism. Obummer was trying to change a tire on a moving car while being whacked on the back of head by the GOP and its teabugger army. I think he got all the lug nuts tightened to where they won't come off, by it is a bit wobbly.

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We'll call it a bent axle that needs fixen.

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Born Free said:

We'll call it a bent axle that needs fixen.

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Well, the bend was there before Jan 2009, wouldn't you say?

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mmi said:

Well, the bend was there before Jan 2009, wouldn't you say?

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Yeah I would say, and it needed fixing for years. But the fix that Obama put in place is far from fixing the problem. You recall we were told that we could keep our Dr., keep our insurance, our premiums would go down by $2,000 +- annually, but the reverse has happened. The SC gets involved and calls the punishment a tax and people are punished to buy a service they do not want. Now we see large insurance companies pulling out of the exchanges because of huge looses. Soon to be released will be the new insurance increases that I understand Obama is trying to get postponed until after the election. There are a lot of problems with Ocare and mostly it's cost and few choices, the Dems know major adjustments need to be made if they have a chance of saving it.

The VA has been a huge problem and that has really gone nowhere in fixing it's problems. The VA is like a car with four flat tires, it's not even moving.

Re: According To Liberals The Living Wage Should Be $7.50 Per Hour

A man who worked for me explained living wage. It depends on how many children you have. He had five and thought he should be paid more than the guy he worked with who had no children.

It would be handy to just screw a lot when you wanted a raise.

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Patrickt said:

A man who worked for me explained living wage. It depends on how many children you have. He had five and thought he should be paid more than the guy he worked with who had no children.

It would be handy to just screw a lot when you wanted a raise.

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Even the left doesn't know what a living wage is.

What is a living wage for a single person with no kids?

What is a living wage for a single person with one kid? Two kids? Three kids? Four kids? Five kids?

What is a living wage for a married person with no kids?

What is a living wage for a married person with one kid? Two kids? Three kids? Four kids? Five kids?

What is the living wage for the above people in San Francisco, LA, or New York?

What is the living wage for the above people in Hope, Arkansas or Casper, Wyoming?

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Moderate Right said:

Even the left doesn't know what a living wage is.

What is a living wage for a single person with no kids?

What is a living wage for a single person with one kid? Two kids? Three kids? Four kids? Five kids?

What is a living wage for a married person with no kids?

What is a living wage for a married person with one kid? Two kids? Three kids? Four kids? Five kids?

What is the living wage for the above people in San Francisco, LA, or New York?

What is the living wage for the above people in Hope, Arkansas or Casper, Wyoming?

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Well, it ain't the federal minimum wage.

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Threegoofs said:

Well, it ain't the federal minimum wage.

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But they are actually two different things. Minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage. That's why it has never been called a living wage, except recently by liberals.

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Moderate Right said:

But they are actually two different things. Minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage. That's why it has never been called a living wage, except recently by liberals.

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Right.

The concept is that the minimum wage needs to be a living wage.

Seems like you would have figured out this nuance 50 posts ago.

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Threegoofs said:

Right.

The concept is that the minimum wage needs to be a living wage.

Seems like you would have figured out this nuance 50 posts ago.

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That is the liberal concept. High school and college kids, and those wishing to supplement their income like spouses or the elderly, do not need a living wage. By the way, this is MY thread. You should have figured that out 691 posts ago.

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Moderate Right said:

That is the liberal concept. High school and college kids, and those wishing to supplement their income like spouses or the elderly, do not need a living wage. By the way, this is MY thread. You should have figured that out 691 posts ago.

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Well, looks like it took you over 600 posts to figure it out.

I regret my error.