Do you think maybe the right has it a little ass backwards[W:157]

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countryboy said:

Where in the Constitution is the dept of education? EPA? IRS? Gun control? Or two dozen other items on the lib agenda? Constitutionalist? I think not.

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Where on Earth did I say I was a Liberal? I'm not Conservative either.

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jbander said:

It is paid for by separate sources of funding other then taxes, doesn't matter if they put it on the general fund , it's not a burden on the tax dollar as of yet, it doesn't belong, you want it there so you can call it healthcare and welfare. Which on the chart has nothing to do with SS and medicare. Has to be pulled to give the chart any meaning at all.

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Is it spending? IT IS. So it goes in the chart as spending. It has to be pulled from the chart to give your argument meaning not for the chart to have meaning.

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jbander said:

Because your party is now the hate party. It has been moved their purposely to get a massive population that are motivated by hate talk,something that will diminish, the further we get away from the Bush/regressive recession. You remember the almost total collapse of our economy and country by doing things the regressive way. Do you want the whole list of things that your party dislikes/hates. You know the things that you and your party thinks are our problems in this country, or what Fox tells you to think. I hope this was clear enough.

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Rant, rant blah blah, partisan blah blah. FAUX!!@1! Hate party blah blah. If you dialed partisanship to 11, this is almost exactly what it sounds like.

I'm conservative, I'm not a republican. I think for myself and the only time I watch Fox is to see the election and polling coverage as they happen. I don't watch it for anything else. You are making assumptions. I have news for you, both sides are out to screw somebody, neither side has cornered altruism, and both are a lot better at protecting their power than they are at governance.

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ARealConservative said:

making our allies pay for their own defense is abandoning them?

can't liberals use the same argument. We should abandon poor people?

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We have interests to protect in the region.we are stationed. I wouldn't be opposed to scaling back a bit and cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.

No, libs cannot effectively use that argument, since conservatives far outpace libs in helping the poor out of our own pockets.

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ARealConservative said:

you should check out restrictions on standing armies in the text of that thing.

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You should join us in the dangerous world we live in today.

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Abbazorkzog said:

Where on Earth did I say I was a Liberal? I'm not Conservative either.

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You don't have to say it, it is blatantly obvious to even the casual observer. Besides, you list your lean as "LIBertarian-left", which is utterly indistinguishable from your garden variety leftist. Not to mention, oxymoronic in the extreme.

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countryboy said:

Where in the Constitution is the dept of education? EPA? IRS? Gun control? Or two dozen other items on the lib agenda? Constitutionalist? I think not.

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countryboy said:

You should join us in the dangerous world we live in today.

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So basically, you are a Constitutionalist when it suits you. Dept. of Education, bad. Standing armies, good.

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jbander said:

Because your party is now the hate party. It has been moved their purposely to get a massive population that are motivated by hate talk,something that will diminish, the further we get away from the Bush/regressive recession. You remember the almost total collapse of our economy and country by doing things the regressive way. Do you want the whole list of things that your party dislikes/hates. You know the things that you and your party thinks are our problems in this country, or what Fox tells you to think. I hope this was clear enough.

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Are you for real? The Left is filled with nothing BUT hate, or have you not seen any of the violence from the regressive left a trump rallies recently?

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Ellis_G said:

Are you for real? The Left is filled with nothing BUT hate, or have you not seen any of the violence from the regressive left a trump rallies recently?

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Do you mean those protesters who are attacking conservatives' fists with their faces?

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JohnfrmClevelan said:

Do you mean those protesters who are attacking conservatives' fists with their faces?

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You mean the fascists trying to restrict the free speech Trump has a right to, whether they agree with it or not?

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JohnfrmClevelan said:

Do you mean those protesters who are attacking conservatives' fists with their faces?

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the right is innocent of being hateful and violent, but the Left recently has been truly appalling.

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jbander said:

View attachment 67199688 With the regressives comes endless stupidity. They will destroy this country and it's values if they get their way. They have progressed from just being the other party to the party that will destroy everything of value that we have. The endless hate which is blatantly shown by who is left as their presidential candidates, who are the leaders of their party , it's one sick group of people.

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Dude, the one blinded by hate here is you. The idea that 'evil' republicans have any intention of cutting spending is laughable. They never have and never will. So all of your bile towards your political opponents amounts to little more than reductions in projected increase in spending, not cuts. You are to partisan and too blind to see it, but there is not a whole lot of difference between the two parties. Given complete control, republicans would not end or even cut a single entitlement program. But hey, don't let facts interrupt your hate.

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OpportunityCost said:

You mean the fascists trying to restrict the free speech Trump has a right to, whether they agree with it or not?

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Nobody is stopping Trump from speaking.

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JohnfrmClevelan said:

Do you mean those protesters who are attacking conservatives' fists with their faces?

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Not sure what incident you are referring to, but one pathetic liberal showed up at a Trump rally in KKK garb. A punch in the face is just what he would deserve. Let that ***** liberal show up in that costume at a MLK gathering and see if he gets a different result.

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JohnfrmClevelan said:

Nobody is stopping Trump from speaking.

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They have every intent to try to do so. They say so every time someone sticks a microphone in their idiotic faces.

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JohnfrmClevelan said:

Nobody is stopping Trump from speaking.

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You must have missed the news on the Chicago rally. Or perhaps you missed the group of professional liberal malcontents who blocked traffic in Arizona chanting 'shut it down.' What was it they were trying to shut down, do you think, if not speech?

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Ellis_G said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the right is innocent of being hateful and violent, but the Left recently has been truly appalling.

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The only violence in these elections is happening at Trump rallies. There are better ways to deal with a handful of protesters than punching or macing them.

Those Trump rallies are a whole new phenomenon, at least in America. I'm sure you have seen the clips - so many Trump supporters are just over the top. Blame is placed on immigrants and minorities and Muslims - that's just not something one does when speaking to thousands of people at a rally.

Getting crowds into a lather with hate speech is a tried and true way to garner a certain (crazy) segment's support. There are angry right-wingers all over the place - look at Europe. And they do it the same way Trump is doing it - blaming immigrants and Muslims for their troubles.

Not everybody that backs Trump is like that, of course. There are lots of people who want a change in the status quo, but they can't quite bring themselves to vote for Sanders. (I think there will be a lot of party-switching this election.) And they rightly see Trump as a guy who will fracture the Republican party; what comes next can't be any worse than Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz. But the people Trump is appealing to directly are the haters.

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Abbazorkzog said:

I'd like to add that nowhere in the Constitution does it say 'police the world'. So, as a Constitutionalist, I am against sending off other people's children to die in wars we have no business in.

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We did that and Pearl Harbor pulled us in. Did we learn from history that you can't hide your head in the sand, or do we forget it? It's not like anyone else will pick up the slack when we stop, and we know it (and they know it). Sucks, but there it is. I suspect those in the upper echelons are scared ****less of the idea of a dramatically reduced military, but I have no evidence of that. I may look, it's intriguing.

I understand that you probably don't like that much of our economy going to just defense. I do not like that most of our government spending is military either. Can we cross train them to build our infrastructure too? (at higher wages I assume)? Guaranteed job for all vets at good contract wages + overtime + ongoing government medical benefits...the usual? Libs are happy we gave out jobs, everyone is happy that military men/women get a leg up, and liberals are happy with infrastructure spending + job training + liveable wage job creation. (talking out of my ass there...)

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Fletch said:

Not sure what incident you are referring to, but one pathetic liberal showed up at a Trump rally in KKK garb. A punch in the face is just what he would deserve. Let that ***** liberal show up in that costume at a MLK gathering and see if he gets a different result.

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Yeah, there's no hate in your speech, either. :roll:

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countryboy said:

You should join us in the dangerous world we live in today.

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so the world is more dangerous today then it was in the past? what do you base this on?

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ARealConservative said:

so the world is more dangerous today then it was in the past? what do you base this on?

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Are you suggesting we should have no standing military force?

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countryboy said:

Are you suggesting we should have no standing military force?

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you first:

is the world more dangerous today then it was in the past? what do you base this on?

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JohnfrmClevelan said:

The only violence in these elections is happening at Trump rallies. There are better ways to deal with a handful of protesters than punching or macing them.

Those Trump rallies are a whole new phenomenon, at least in America. I'm sure you have seen the clips - so many Trump supporters are just over the top. Blame is placed on immigrants and minorities and Muslims - that's just not something one does when speaking to thousands of people at a rally.

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When has Trump ever blamed minorities for the problems America is facing? You think the trump supporters are really over the top? So because one person smacked another at a trump rally the trump supporters are over the top? I think the black communities have very real complaints towards immigrants as they push their wages down, causing them even more problems, Trump pointing this out isn't a bad thing, nor is Trump pointing out that there is an issue with Muslim populations in the west, with a complete and utter lack of integration, and whole areas that are no go areas of once fantastic cities. There is a real problem with immigration from Muslim countries.

JohnfrmClevelan said:

Getting crowds into a lather with hate speech is a tried and true way to garner a certain (crazy) segment's support. There are angry right-wingers all over the place - look at Europe. And they do it the same way Trump is doing it - blaming immigrants and Muslims for their troubles.

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Please show me where Trump is spouting hate speech. Yes but this just shows you completely fail to understand Europe, immigration from Muslim countries is causing serious problems in Europe, there is a rise in the right wing precisely because people feel lost and are fed up of the left ignoring their concerns and apologising for Muslims and immigrants in general. The kind of places where there is a real surge in the Right wing are places like Poland and Hungary, where their people have been fighting since the dawn of time for their own countries, they are nationalistic by nature, and it's not so long ago when there was the iron curtain, so they see such mass immigration that they deem a threat to their country, is it any wonder there is a nationalistic uprising in the right?

JohnfrmClevelan said:

Not everybody that backs Trump is like that, of course. There are lots of people who want a change in the status quo, but they can't quite bring themselves to vote for Sanders. (I think there will be a lot of party-switching this election.) And they rightly see Trump as a guy who will fracture the Republican party; what comes next can't be any worse than Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz. But the people Trump is appealing to directly are the haters.

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I think the majority of the Trump supporter base is those wanting a cultural change due to the way the left has acted for the past decade or so and people are fed up with the **** and just want to get on with life, I think people have more sense than to vote for Sanders, who would get even less done than Obama, and would be even more catastrophic.

Anyway I hope Trump does win the full election, pulls the GOP to pieces, whilst Hillary and Sanders pulls the Dem's apart, and once the dust settles the argument focuses less on the left - right paradigm, and more on the authoritarian - libertarian paradigm

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ARealConservative said:

you first:

is the world more dangerous today then it was in the past? what do you base this on?

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Weapons of mass destruction. Your turn.

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countryboy said:

Weapons of mass destruction. Your turn.

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weapons of mass destruction were used 50+ years ago. they aren't new.

so that is a huge fail.

what statistics do you have to back up your belief that the world is more dangerous today?