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Bye Bye Minimum Wage, Bye Bye Employees

I ate at both Applebee's and Chili's, and you could order and pay with a credit card with the gizmo on your table.

Exactly who am I tipping now?

I didn't like it. I gave Miss Muffet my order.
 
Australia's minimum wage is $22 AUD per hour. That's $16 USD per hour. Penalty rates for working on Sundays is time and a half.

Are Australia's fast-food restaurants automated?
 
chuckiechan said:
I ate at both Applebee's and Chili's, and you could order and pay with a credit card with the gizmo on your table.

Exactly who am I tipping now?

I didn't like it. I gave Miss Muffet my order.
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I hate those things. If you want an actual receipt you have to get the server to grab it. What if the service was louse and I want to leave a $0 tip on the card? I can't do it anonymously if I want a printed receipt.
 
Moderate Right said:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/carl-jr-ceo-predicts-future-203203237.html
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Kind of hard for him to say he can't afford to pay workers when he makes 4.5 million a year. It amounts to a huge fat bitch on welfare saying her kids are hungry she needs more foodstamps. I do not know if he is aware of this but automated restaurants have been around at least since the late 1800,they are called automats. They are not really that popular.



Restaurant CEOs Make More Money in Half a Day Than Their Employees Make in a Year | Mother Jones
Puzder—whose compensation totaled nearly $4.5 million


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An automat is a fast food restaurant where simple foods and drink are served by vending machines.
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jamesrage said:
Kind of hard for him to say he can't afford to pay workers when he makes 4.5 million a year. It amounts to a huge fat bitch on welfare saying her kids are hungry she needs more foodstamps. I do not know if he is aware of this but automated restaurants have been around at least since the late 1800,they are called automats. They are not really that popular.



Restaurant CEOs Make More Money in Half a Day Than Their Employees Make in a Year | Mother Jones
Puzder—whose compensation totaled nearly $4.5 million


[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat
An automat is a fast food restaurant where simple foods and drink are served by vending machines.
800px-StollwerckAutomatenrestaurant1896.jpg

800px-Bamn_Automat.png
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There are reactions to decisions. If the decision is to raise minimum wages by extraordinary amounts then they should consider the ramifications of those decisions.
 
Moderate Right said:
There are reactions to decisions. If the decision is to raise minimum wages by extraordinary amounts then they should consider the ramifications of those decisions.
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If you're trying to tie fast food automation to minimum wages, good luck.

My city has had a stable minimum wage for quite a few years, and the fast food industry here has still been constantly automating and cutting employees. So it's not the minimum wage.

However, do you think the following excerpt from your article may shed some light?

"They're always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there's never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case," says Puzder of swapping employees for machines."

If you're expecting human beings to work cheaper and more effectively than machines, you're going to need to find some extraordinarily cheap & precise humans beings, my friend! It ain't gonna' happen!
 
Moderate Right said:
There are reactions to decisions. If the decision is to raise minimum wages by extraordinary amounts then they should consider the ramifications of those decisions.
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Countries with higher minimum wages have not resorted to using automats in place of restaurants. If Carl's Jr was hurting then the CEO most certainly wouldn't be making 4.5 million a year. Automats are a novelty, not a replacement for workers.
 
It's amazing that people are still making doom and gloom predictions about a higher minimum wage. There are tons of countries around the world with higher minimum wage, with fast-food joints run by human beings, selling food at roughly the same price as here. It's only slightly more expensive.
 
Great...I would FAR rather go to an automated fast food joint then the opposite.

I have heard (both first and second hand) too many stories of employees urinating in various liquids, spitting in foods, etc. that I would much prefer to trust a robot then a minimum wage human who hates his/her job.

In fact, if the efficiency and prices are comparable, I would almost always rather go to a fully automated place of business.

I have never been to Japan, but I love the concept of their vending machines and the huge number of goods you can buy from them.
 
jamesrage said:
Countries with higher minimum wages have not resorted to using automats in place of restaurants. If Carl's Jr was hurting then the CEO most certainly wouldn't be making 4.5 million a year. Automats are a novelty, not a replacement for workers.
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So automation doesn't replace workers? No matter how much you want to argue, the fact is you reap what you sow. That's the bottom line. Any time you punch businesses they have a counter punch. The left thinks they can punch businesses and the businesses just have to sit there and take it. That's not reality. Example: When Obama and the Dems passed laws on banks over fees and how they charge interest on credit cards. The banks accepted the laws and instituted new fees and charges on other things. Another example: The left is constantly pushing for huge raises to the minimum wage and now places are working harder at replacing workers with automation. Those are the facts. Punch, counter punch. You shouldn't be punching businesses unless you are prepared for their counter punches.
 
Moderate Right said:
So automation doesn't replace workers? No matter how much you want to argue, the fact is you reap what you sow. That's the bottom line. Any time you punch businesses they have a counter punch. The left thinks they can punch businesses and the businesses just have to sit there and take it. That's not reality. Example: When Obama and the Dems passed laws on banks over fees and how they charge interest on credit cards. The banks accepted the laws and instituted new fees and charges on other things. Another example: The left is constantly pushing for huge raises to the minimum wage and now places are working harder at replacing workers with automation. Those are the facts. Punch, counter punch. You shouldn't be punching businesses unless you are prepared for their counter punches.
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Meanwhile, business can punch the **** out of workers and they just have to take it.
 
Critter7r said:
Meanwhile, business can punch the **** out of workers and they just have to take it.
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Learn a skill, pay a bill

If all you can do is what 500 other people can do in the same 3 mile area....you are in a world of ****

An 80 iq can learn basic skills....how to fix a dent in a car...how to use a pipe wrench

It doesn't take rocket science to earn more than minimum wage....it takes a little time, and a little effort
 
Critter7r said:
Meanwhile, business can punch the **** out of workers and they just have to take it.
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The businesses are providing jobs and, in most cases, benefits too. If a person doesn't like a particular business, such as Walmart, then they shouldn't apply to work there. They don't have to sit there and take businesses punches. This is America, they are free to go work elsewhere. I'm just providing the facts. If you punch business they will punch back.
 
Yes, i forgot, since bisinesses are the 50,000 lb trucks, they dont have to have road manners. Theyre free to offer take it or leave it jobs, but cant be bothered with providing wages that can sustain workers.
 
Critter7r said:
Yes, i forgot, since bisinesses are the 50,000 lb trucks, they dont have to have road manners. Theyre free to offer take it or leave it jobs, but cant be bothered with providing wages that can sustain workers.
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Here we go again with pipe dream liberal fantasies. Other than the minimum wage laws and written contracts, there are no laws which dictate how much businesses have to pay their employees and there never will be. You can be jealous all you want but this is America and employers are allowed to pay employees as much or as little as they want and are free to make millions or billions of dollars in profits. This is also America for employees as well as they are free to work wherever they want. The free market sets wages. If an employer like McDonalds or Walmart pays their employees $7.25 per hour then they will have trouble keeping workers. That's why McDonalds pays in the $8 - $10 per hour range and Walmart starts out with a company set minimum wage of $10 per hour.
 
Moderate Right said:
So automation doesn't replace workers? No matter how much you want to argue, the fact is you reap what you sow. That's the bottom line. Any time you punch businesses they have a counter punch. The left thinks they can punch businesses and the businesses just have to sit there and take it. That's not reality. Example: When Obama and the Dems passed laws on banks over fees and how they charge interest on credit cards. The banks accepted the laws and instituted new fees and charges on other things. Another example: The left is constantly pushing for huge raises to the minimum wage and now places are working harder at replacing workers with automation. Those are the facts. Punch, counter punch. You shouldn't be punching businesses unless you are prepared for their counter punches.
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Automation does hurt workers.But automation doesn't work for every single industry. Which is why automats have not replaced restaurants. Because most people don't go out to eat at vending machines. No says hey honey lets take the kids and go eat at a vending machine like college kids who don't know how to cook.
 
If robot can do your job it is always in the businesses best interest to replace you regardless of how much money you make. The machine is a one time expense where as the employee is a continued expense. Those automated checkout lines that you see at Walmart and some other stores for example. Each of them costs maybe about $10,000 more to install than a normal check out lane, and they work 24 hours a day. Even if the minimum wage was $1/hour at 24 hrs * 7 days * 52 weeks per year equals $8,736 per year. Meaning that in just a year and a half the ROI would make buying that machine worth it.

Furthermore there are other better jobs which are created as more and more of this automation becomes necessary. As a Software Developer I can tell you that demand for technical people is through the roof
 
Critter7r said:
Yes, i forgot, since bisinesses are the 50,000 lb trucks, they dont have to have road manners. Theyre free to offer take it or leave it jobs, but cant be bothered with providing wages that can sustain workers.
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The "safety net" helps to make that (bolded above) work out quite well. If one requires $X in order to live then they are not likely to care what portion of $X comes from their paycheck and what portion of $X is added by the "safety net". An employer is going to offer that which is required to attract and retain qualified labor - only in the land of unicorns and rainbows is an employer likely to pay a worker differently based on that worker's household size or lack of other household income.
 
This debate tends to suffer from extremes. Either people are wanting high wages or they want no increases at all. There's no reason why there should be people in this country making $5.25/hr, but at the same time expecting the whole country to make $15/hr or more is not realistic. Surely there can be a compromise? All it would take is looking at parts of the country where poverty is really endemic, and wage increases could help. Having people work 4 jobs at $5/hr represents major opportunity costs for personal advancement, education, etc.

I think in states where minimum wage is still abysmally low, there should be more educational subsidies, especially for vocations. If the right wing wants to suppress wages then they should be willing to create more programs for personal advancement. Likewise, if the left wants people to make high wages then there should be greater incentive for people to pay their own way. Or something along those lines.
 
gdgyva said:
Learn a skill, pay a bill

If all you can do is what 500 other people can do in the same 3 mile area....you are in a world of ****

An 80 iq can learn basic skills....how to fix a dent in a car...how to use a pipe wrench

It doesn't take rocket science to earn more than minimum wage....it takes a little time, and a little effort
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Minimum wage jobs in the past were largely a temporary stepping stone for the young or a wage for the elderly to supplement their retirement however this is no longer the case and many adults now rely on minimum wage jobs as their main source of income. While what you say is true it is only true because not everyone does it. If every adult that now works a minimum wage job were to try and advance only a percentage could. There simply is not enough higher paying jobs for all Americans and unfortunately many are going to simply be left at the bottom. We already have millions of over educated people in the workforce today that are having a difficult time making a suitable wage. Hard work and motivation is not as lucrative as it once was.
 
Chomsky said:
If you're trying to tie fast food automation to minimum wages, good luck.

My city has had a stable minimum wage for quite a few years, and the fast food industry here has still been constantly automating and cutting employees. So it's not the minimum wage.

However, do you think the following excerpt from your article may shed some light?

"They're always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there's never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case," says Puzder of swapping employees for machines."

If you're expecting human beings to work cheaper and more effectively than machines, you're going to need to find some extraordinarily cheap & precise humans beings, my friend! It ain't gonna' happen!
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It is ridiculous to compare automation to anything other than the costs of maintaining machines vs the wages you pay workers.
If automation is cheaper, cost effective in other ways (less scrap for example) then it is always the way to go.
Otherwise, we slow progress to a screeching halt and get stuck in the age of the wheel......ohhhhhhh wait...

Eventually, we will experience the automation bubble and then our entire system will need to be rethought.

I don't think automation and minimum wage is something that really goes hand in glove though unless you want to keep employees paid for **** in order to keep employers from replacing them with automation which is an asinine strategy to begin with.
 
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