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Bye Bye Taxes, Bye Bye California

Ok, but if you have a group of people that are making a car payment out of their income, and one person is allowed to not have that car payment removed from their check, you've given them something. IOW, you're not taking payment from them for the car they are receiving.

How would it be any different for taxes? people and businesses receive services for their taxes. If one company is not required to pay those taxes, you given them something (police and fire services, trash pickup, roads, etc) by not taking something (tax money) from them.

Yet some would say that not having to pay taxes wouldn't be considered as receiving a benefit.

Because you dont own the car (until you pay for it). You DO own your wealth. It wasnt given to you by me not taking it. Lets call it semantics or relativity.
 
Because you dont own the car (until you pay for it). You DO own your wealth. It wasnt given to you by me not taking it. Lets call it semantics or relativity.

If you owe money (taxes is money owed for services rendered by the government) and the person you owe money to says, "You know, only pay me half of what you own me."

That person is giving you money.
 
If you owe money (taxes is money owed for services rendered by the government) and the person you owe money to says, "You know, only pay me half of what you own me."

That person is giving you money.

No, I already have the money. They cant give me something I already have.
 
No, I already have the money. They cant give me something I already have.

If you owe $100.00, you are suppose to minus your total by $100.00, because that money is already slotted to pay your debt.
 
Seems to me Critter7r is more interested in increases of tax revenues and others like Fenton are interested in creating additional jobs. There lies the difference in priorities. I swear some people think so concretely. New jobs means additional jobs..

When jobs are shifted to a 'climate' more accommodating to private industries, additional new jobs are also created with the building of the new buildings and/or jobs created from the expansion of the businesses while in the favorable business climate of the new state. Like, for anther instance, the shifting of jobs from the private sector to ACA due to ACA's regulations? Are those additional or new jobs being lost to ACA?

Finally, an increase of jobs automatically creates an additional stream of tax revenue.

Great post !

To be clear, the ONLY thing posters like Critter are interested in is perpetuting their ideology no matter how destructive it is.
 
Great post !

To be clear, the ONLY thing posters like Critter are interested in is perpetuting their ideology no matter how destructive it is.

Pot, meet Kettle.

I'm interested in getting people talking about things going on in the world. I support my arguments the best I can without resorting to hyperbole and rhetoric and baiting.
 
Deftly? Lol … not so much.

I wasn’t advocating for more tax collection. I was countering his cheerleading for Texas. His point was that “CA sux, TX is great, we must be – look, Toyota moved here!”, and that jobs were created by Toyota’s move (they weren’t) and how the country is better off because of the move (it isn’t).

Then someone else jumped in saying that the tax breaks that were given to Toyota to entice them to move to Texas weren’t a “handout” because “they weren’t given anything”.

And now you know the beginning of the story.

Oh its not just Toyota. California has lost thousands of Businesses due to their commitment to destructive Progresive policies.

California lost 9,000 business HQs and expansions, mostly to Texas, seven-year study says - Dallas Business Journal

And Cali doesn't suck, its a beautiful State with amazing weather. Unfortunately its being driven into the ground by people that care more about the perpetuation of their ideology than the economic and fiscal health of their State.
 
Pot, meet Kettle.

I'm interested in getting people talking about things going on in the world. I support my arguments the best I can without resorting to hyperbole and rhetoric and baiting.

I've seen how you support your arguments. You offer up opinions backed by more opinions.
Every link I post to refute your opinions then becomes " Right Wing tabloid hyperbole "

Its your way of conceding the point but the problen is youre not learning anything
 
I've seen how you support your arguments. You offer up opinions backed by more opinions.
Every link I post to refute your opinions then becomes " Right Wing tabloid hyperbole "

Its your way of conceding the point but the problen is youre not learning anything

I'm learning that your points are always backed by links full of right wing tabloid hyperbole.
 
I've seen how you support your arguments. You offer up opinions backed by more opinions.
Every link I post to refute your opinions then becomes " Right Wing tabloid hyperbole "

Its your way of conceding the point but the problen is youre not learning anything
When you link to authors who blog on NRO, AEI, well, you are doing exactly what is complained about.
 
None of the links I've used in this thread are from NRO or AEI. Here's the last link I posted.

Census Bureau: California still has highest U.S. poverty rate | The Sacramento Bee
You once again remind me why it is so pointless to debate you...because you can't read a comment to you and comprehend the meaning of the words.

try again:

When you link to authors who blog on NRO, AEI, well, you are doing exactly what is complained about.

Does reading it a second time cause you to understand the meaning of the words? Would a 3rd...or fourth time help? Let me know if writing it slower will help you.
 
As my mom taught me when I was young......"What good is your self worth when you are giving it away for free?" There's always a price to pay. States with big corporate welfare handouts almost always have the worst education and healthcare systems among the states.

In the 50's and 60's, California ranked in the top 10 for educational performance every year.
In 2009 California ranked 49 out of 50.

Splain that disneydude.
 
I can't help but notice your almost religious obsession with Texas and California, wanting to zero in and cherry pick specific factors to argue your ideology. It's fun to watch!

Youre the one buying into crackpot monetary and economic theories, not me.

I'm just making a distinction between two isolated economies that adhere to two seperate ideological aapproaches.

Texas adheres to Supply Side initaves, which people like you claim " don't work ", and California adheres to Liberal tax and spend initiaves.

Texas's economy and their surplus has grown, Californias economy and fiscal budget are basket cases.

No cherry picking, just pointing out the facts.
 
Youre the one buying into crackpot monetary and economic theories, not me.

I'm just making a distinction between two isolated economies that adhere to two seperate ideological aapproaches.

Texas adheres to Supply Side initaves, which people like you claim " don't work ", and California adheres to Liberal tax and spend initiaves.

Texas's economy and their surplus has grown, Californias economy and fiscal budget are basket cases.

No cherry picking, just pointing out the facts.

Funny how some of the punditry disagrees with your assessment of California's economy

Best State for Business? Yes, California

There are plenty of reasons to presume that California must be a bad place to do business. The Tax Foundation says the state's tax structure is the third worst for business in the U.S. Forbes ranks California's business costs fifth highest among the 50 states and its regulatory environment the eighth most burdensome.

Why then does the market, where buyers and sellers determine relative value, show otherwise? California-based companies surpass their competitors in the U.S. by most measures of performance favored by investors.

Since January 2011, when Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr., became governor for the third time, the 63 publicly traded California companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 produced the best total return among the five states with the largest populations. California companies in the S&P 500 delivered returns of 134 percent
(. . .)
Companies domiciled in California also outperformed the S&P 500 during the past four years by a margin of 23 percent. Among the California industries making the state No. 1 in business are health care, returning 267 percent, consumer staples (302 percent), specialty pharma (235 percent), energy (30 percent) and biotech (333 percent).

Maybe high taxes and strong regulations don't daunt business leaders if well spent and well aimed.
 
Funny how some of the punditry disagrees with your assessment of California's economy

California is a economic and fiscal basket case that " creates jobs " by hiring more Govt workers.
 
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