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The GOP Fiscal Conservative Lie

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Ask anyone. They'll tell you the same BS: Republicans are fiscally conservative.

Well, I ask you. Is this "conservative"?

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Borrowing money to spend on GOP pets like the military industrial complex instead of taxing as you go is far from conservative.

So, next time you're asked who straddled your grand-kids with all this debt, hopefully you will now know the right answer.
 
calamity said:
Ask anyone. They'll tell you the same BS: Republicans are fiscally conservative.

Well, I ask you. Is this "conservative"?

US-national-debt-GDP-graph.png


Borrowing money to spend on GOP pets like the military industrial complex instead of taxing as you go is far from conservative.

So, next time you're asked who straddled your grand-kids with all this debt, hopefully you will now know the right answer.
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Who controls the "purse strings?" It isn't the President.

However, the Republicans have been anything but fiscally conservative. The Democrats are worse, but the GOP is far, far short of being without fiscal sin (to use a term the far right would understand).

Edit: To answer your question - No, it is not.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Who controls the "purse strings?" It isn't the President.

However, the Republicans have been anything but fiscally conservative. The Democrats are worse, but the GOP is far, far short of being without fiscal sin (to use a term the far right would understand).

Edit: To answer your question - No, it is not.
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It's always the Democrats fault with you guys. Isn't it?

If a D is president and debt goes down, the Republican congress did it. If an R has it while debt goes up, the Democrat congress did it. Funny though how when the debt goes up while a Democrat is president, it's all Obama's fault.
 
calamity said:
It's always the Democrats fault with you guys. Isn't it?

If a D is president and debt goes down, the Republican congress did it. If an R has it while debt goes up, the Democrat congress did it. Funny though how when the debt goes up while a Democrat is president, it's all Obama's fault.
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For those that don't understand how spending in Washington actually happens, yeah, it's Obama's fault, or Bush's fault, or whoever is President at the time or previously. Some of it is on Obama though - Obamacare - just kidding, that one is squarely on the Democrats that were in Congress at the time. The majority of the debt is because of programmatic spending that cannot be changed without major changes in "entitlement" spending, and is not even touched by sequester cuts. And, that (fundamentally changing entitlement structure, spending, and revenue) ain't gonna happen without some serious butt chapping happening to the politicians by the voters - in other words, it just ain't gonna happen.
 
Beaudreaux said:
For those that don't understand how spending in Washington actually happens, yeah, it's Obama's fault, or Bush's fault, or whoever is President at the time or previously. Some of it is on Obama though - Obamacare - just kidding, that one is squarely on the Democrats that were in Congress at the time. The majority of the debt is because of programmatic spending that cannot be changed without major changes in "entitlement" spending, and is not even touched by sequester cuts. And, that (fundamentally changing entitlement structure, spending, and revenue) ain't gonna happen without some serious butt chapping happening to the politicians by the voters - in other words, it just ain't gonna happen.
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Spending is indeed mostly fixed, except the military budget, which seems to be growing by leaps and bounds when Republicans are in office.

Presidents Reagan and Bush II, however, pushed through tax cuts. And, those drove up the debt. Clinton raised taxes and the debt went down. Funny how that worked.
 
calamity said:
Spending is indeed mostly fixed, except the military budget, which seems to be growing by leaps and bounds when Republicans are in office.

Presidents Reagan and Bush II, however, pushed through tax cuts. And, those drove up the debt. Clinton raised taxes and the debt went down. Funny how that worked.
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There's more to it than that, and you dang well know it. :2wave:
 
calamity said:
It's always the Democrats fault with you guys. Isn't it?

If a D is president and debt goes down, the Republican congress did it. If an R has it while debt goes up, the Democrat congress did it. Funny though how when the debt goes up while a Democrat is president, it's all Obama's fault.
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Greetings, calamity. :2wave:

I read that Obama just sent $500 million dollars to the UN to help combat global warming. Is this story true, and if so, what is the UN going to do with our money? :shock:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, calamity. :2wave:

I read that Obama just sent $500 million dollars to the UN to help combat global warming. Is this story true, and if so, what is the UN going to do with our money? :shock:
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Well, at least it wasn't $500 Billion. :)

My guess is they will spread the wealth around. This millionaire will get 10 million, that millionaire will get 5M, that one 3, etc.
 
calamity said:
Well, at least it wasn't $500 Billion. :)

My guess is they will spread the wealth around. This millionaire will get 10 million, that millionaire will get 5M, that one 3, etc.
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We're very fortunate that our deteriorating infrastructure - electrical grid, roads, bridges, etc - can continue to wait for updating, because there's no money to pay for that! It's nice to conjecture that if money were available, though, it could have created badly needed jobs for the unemployed in this Country, and everyone would have benefitted from money well spent! :shock:
 
polgara said:
We're very fortunate that our deteriorating infrastructure - electrical grid, roads, bridges, etc - can continue to wait for updating, because there's no money to pay for that! It's nice to conjecture that if money were available, though, it could have created badly needed jobs for the unemployed in this Country, and everyone would have benefitted from money well spent! :shock:
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I recall billions disappearing in Iraq a decade ago...I imagine the same amount is today disappearing in Afghanistan.
 
...but I do agree with your OP.


On the spending side, the best they can claim is that they slowed down the agenda of Barack 'BIG GOVERNMENT" Obama.
 
Both parties are big government, but I look at government on the scale of smart and dumb, not big and small. And a smart government doesn't give billion dollar corporations tax breaks while sending us off into perpetual war.
 
Beaudreaux said:
There's more to it than that, and you dang well know it. :2wave:
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Presidents submit and then sign the budgets passed by congress. Ignoring that the D presidents consistently borrow less than the GOP is one of those things in American politics that remains a big secret, for some reason.
 
akrunner88 said:
Both parties are big government, but I look at government on the scale of smart and dumb, not big and small. And a smart government doesn't give billion dollar corporations tax breaks while sending us off into perpetual war.
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Whether we go off somewhere or not, Radical Islam has declared a state of perpetual with us. The question is-what do we do about it.
Bush acted in big bold strokes by trying to change the political landscape in the Middle East. While it hasn't been a smashing success, the move had overwhelmimg public support at the time.
 
calamity said:
Presidents submit and then sign the budgets passed by congress. Ignoring that the D presidents consistently borrow less than the GOP is one of those things in American politics that remains a big secret, for some reason.
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The President submits a budget, that is true, but it's just a request and has nothing to do with the actual budget. What comes out of the House committees and the House as a whole is the actual budget and usually has no resemblance to what the President requested.

You do realize that the chart you put up showed the debt to GDP ratio, and not the actual amount of debt incurred? When discussing the dangers of debt to the nation, debt to GDP ratio is the number to use - when discussing who borrowed more than others, the actual dollar amount should be the number to use.

So far, we're both conflating them in this discussion.
 
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