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United States to boost massive donations to Israel[W:46]

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Questions:

a) How on earth will the US debt ever be paid?

b) Why are there not projects set to pay the debt?

c) How are projects that would further increase the debt set in place instead?

Those are very correct questions.
 
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Why should the public pay for a basically private good. That would be ignorant of economic knowledge.

Social insurance for the elderly is a vital aspect of developed economies. It dramatically reduce poverty for this demographic as much of these "transfers" end up flowing throughout the general economy (low savings rate).

As with the whole social system SS is also misconceived for today's technological level and as the rest should be totally replaced by a general minimum income.

Perhaps. But there needs to be a way of transitioning into such a system. Furthermore, it is entirely likely a guaranteed income would operate much in the way S.S. does today, but instead funded with a combination of sales, income, and excise tax proceeds.

Worse still, it is inefficient like crazy.

Since a basic income is still (at least) a decade from serious consideration, the absence of S.S. would be crazy inefficient.
 
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a) How on earth will the US debt ever be paid?

It never is paid.

The real question: can the U.S. continue to make its financial obligations?

Answer: Yes

Why are there not projects set to pay the debt?

Because that is not how sovereign debt works. If we repay the debt, money has to flow out of consumption and/or investment. It is far more efficient to outgrow debt via a combination of inflation and real economic growth.

How are projects that would further increase the debt set in place instead?

The debt will continue to grow for the foreseeable future. Anyone who tries to tell you different is either a liar, or terribly naive. The only thing that has ever mattered is for real economic growth > deficit growth. Inflation (acceptable) is just frosting.
 
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Gina, no one can respond to the op under the rules in this forum since the op specifically discusses Palestinian Authority funding, part and parcel of Israel/Palestine issues. You should move the thread to that forum.

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On the contrary, the unqualified support of Israel, especially by financing massacres in Gaza and the brutal occupation of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and vetoing criticism of the Zionists in the UN Security Council, has brought the reputation of America to rock-bottom level to fair-minded people worldwide. In such a circumstance, no Muslim country can be blamed for having no trust in Americans.

nevermind
 
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Questions:

a) How on earth will the US debt ever be paid?

b) Why are there not projects set to pay the debt?

c) How are projects that would further increase the debt set in place instead?

and never mind. Didnt notice the topic was changed from I/P to debt.
 
As the U.S. National Debt approaches $19,000,000,000,000 talks are ongoing to increase its American taxpayer charity to Israel which is already over $3,000,000,000 every year, according to Benjamin Netanyahu in an interview with CNN journalist, Fareed Zakaria.
"The American assistance to Israel is about $3.1 billion [annually]. Here we’re talking about a bigger package. I hope we’ll reach a successful conclusion [to the talks] in the coming months. And it’s a sign of how strong the American-Israeli alliance is."
Israel 'enables' PA economy to curb radicals, Netanyahu says | The Times of Israel
It cannot be denied that the Americans will give a true friend the shirts off their backs.

OP, please request movement of this topic to IP forum.
 
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Cutting Social Security would undermine the system by creating the type of citizen backlash (remember, there have been people paying into S.S. for years) that ushers a monumental shift to extremes. While i believe your heart is in the right place... your proposal just isn't feasible.

If the citizens haven't backlashed already from government actions then I see no reason to be concerned of it happening if SS was cut. The government has undermined the peoples rights at every turn and somehow we are concerned about people standing up if SS was cut? I don't believe it.

As for the topic, I see no reason to continue to support Israel.
 
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Those are very correct questions.

Paying off the nation debt would not be a good idea as most of that debt is held by US companies and private citizens. Paying it down is not a bad idea though.
 
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Social insurance for the elderly is a vital aspect of developed economies. It dramatically reduce poverty for this demographic as much of these "transfers" end up flowing throughout the general economy (low savings rate).



Perhaps. But there needs to be a way of transitioning into such a system. Furthermore, it is entirely likely a guaranteed income would operate much in the way S.S. does today, but instead funded with a combination of sales, income, and excise tax proceeds.



Since a basic income is still (at least) a decade from serious consideration, the absence of S.S. would be crazy inefficient.

All fine and good. But these things need preparation and the Swiss and Finns are looking at different variants of guaranteed income and we have some experience in negative taxation. It will come. Better sooner than later. But with good preparation. Not like aca.
 
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given the warning, i will amend the thread title to post a non-offensive reply:
United States to boost massive donations to 'some other nation'
USA government policy regarding the distribution of national assets to those of another people should be based upon consistent, sound public policy principles
the outcome of that distribution should benefit the recipient people without disgracing the American government

for example, we should positively contemplate financial assistance where the result is housing for the benefit of the recipient population
however, we should refuse to provide funds where they are to be used to subsidize the construction of housing upon the lands owned by another people. that would bring disgrace upon our nation

this practice should be followed no matter whether we are contemplating providing financial assistance to brazil, georgia, vietnam, nepal, somalia, or indonesia
 
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Paying off the nation debt would not be a good idea as most of that debt is held by US companies and private citizens. Paying it down is not a bad idea though.

That is absolutely right as far as making a distinction between paying it down and back in full. There is, in fact, an optimum level of debt a government should have.
 
how the hell can israel afford to build more settlements on Palestinian lands if we don't increase our subsidy of those illegal actions

This...so sad
 
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how the hell can israel afford to build more settlements on Palestinian lands if we don't increase our subsidy of those illegal actions

Maybe.............. because it was their land to begin with?

History didn't begin in 1949.
 
As the U.S. National Debt approaches $19,000,000,000,000 talks are ongoing to increase its American taxpayer charity to Israel which is already over $3,000,000,000 every year, according to Benjamin Netanyahu in an interview with CNN journalist, Fareed Zakaria.
"The American assistance to Israel is about $3.1 billion [annually]. Here we’re talking about a bigger package. I hope we’ll reach a successful conclusion [to the talks] in the coming months. And it’s a sign of how strong the American-Israeli alliance is."
Israel 'enables' PA economy to curb radicals, Netanyahu says | The Times of Israel
It cannot be denied that the Americans will give a true friend the shirts off their backs.

US gives about 4.5 billion to Afghanistan and as far as money per capita the usa gives more to Palestinians than israelis'
 
In a way I wish Trump becomes president. Then Mexico Israel China SA Russia etc will write checks to us instead of the reverse.
 
In a way I wish Trump becomes president. Then Mexico Israel China SA Russia etc will write checks to us instead of the reverse.

I would vote for anyone who ran on this platform.
 
As the U.S. National Debt approaches $19,000,000,000,000 talks are ongoing to increase its American taxpayer charity to Israel which is already over $3,000,000,000 every year, according to Benjamin Netanyahu in an interview with CNN journalist, Fareed Zakaria.
"The American assistance to Israel is about $3.1 billion [annually]. Here we’re talking about a bigger package. I hope we’ll reach a successful conclusion [to the talks] in the coming months. And it’s a sign of how strong the American-Israeli alliance is."
Israel 'enables' PA economy to curb radicals, Netanyahu says | The Times of Israel
It cannot be denied that the Americans will give a true friend the shirts off their backs.

That's not a good idea in my view. The Middle East is already getting too much money and Israel really doesn't put too much into solving their part of the problem that they've created and as such WE have to suffer the outrages of slings and arrows form giving them money in the first place.
 
Hi guys, can I ask a stupid question?- Why has the US been propping up Israel for so many years with super-duper weaponry and truckloads of cash?
Don't get me wrong, I generally like jews and find them warm friendly people, for example I've worked at two jewish family firms and got on great with them, and I regularly vote Jerry Lewis's 'The Nutty Professor' as the funniest film of all time in polls..:)
Churchill once said- "In war, one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests", so I'm simply wondering what exactly are the interests that our western governments have in Israel?
 
Hi guys, can I ask a stupid question?- Why has the US been propping up Israel for so many years with super-duper weaponry and truckloads of cash?
Don't get me wrong, I generally like jews and find them warm friendly people, for example I've worked at two jewish family firms and got on great with them, and I regularly vote Jerry Lewis's 'The Nutty Professor' as the funniest film of all time in polls..:)
Churchill once said- "In war, one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests", so I'm simply wondering what exactly are the interests that our western governments have in Israel?

It's all political. The idea of a Jewish State in not a new one, and considering the history "of peoples", an idea whose time had certainly come.

The problem is sectarianism and the US has essentially been playing big brother the way we have for any of the underdogs.
 
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Maybe.............. because it was their land to begin with?

History didn't begin in 1949.

There was no "our land". There were always territories that people have traditionally lived on. There was no state of Palestine following WWI either. So when Israel was created, the Israelis thought they took precedents, and the rest is history. I don't think that Israel has played tit very smart, and the US and our allies have only bowed to the oil reserves of Arab countries which has done nothing but exacerbate the problem. We should have leaned real hard on said countries right from the beginning if we were going to be involved at all.
 
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