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Which states are Biggest the Net Takers of Federal Tax dollars?

TurtleDude said:
LOL, how do we know? polls! one thing we don't know is how many net tax payers vote Dem vs GOP and Net tax consumers

but we do know that the DEMS pander to net tax consumers while the GOP mainly pitches its message of less taxes to NET TAX PAYERS

we assume each party is smart enough to know which groups support said party
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You're right, the GOP panders to the super rich to buy votes while the democrats rely on the appeal of their common sense policies. What a bunch of saps.
 
Absentglare said:
You're right, the GOP panders to the super rich to buy votes while the democrats rely on the appeal of their common sense policies. What a bunch of saps.
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great hackery in distorting my point. actually the super rich are usually big fans of the Democrats because the super rich feel they own the government and the Democrats make the government bigger and stronger
 
TurtleDude said:
great hackery in distorting my point. actually the super rich are usually big fans of the Democrats because the super rich feel they own the government and the Democrats make the government bigger and stronger
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Not really.

Republicans appeal to the richest of the rich and the lower classes who aspire to be the rich and tend to live in rural areas. To do this, they sell the wealth-pandering with an appeal to individualism. They assume that the wealthy rightly deserve every dollar.

Democrats appeal heavily to the upper middle class and the working class. The upper middle class consists of highly skilled employees, but generally not the employers themselves. These are smart people, like professors, doctors, engineers, and journalists. Smart professionals. They don't stand to gain from tax hikes and increased social programs. They still support them because they appreciate what they have, and want to share in success, rather than have a selfish need to inflate their personal compensation wayyy out of proportion to their economic contribution.
 
Absentglare said:
Not really.

Republicans appeal to the richest of the rich and the lower classes who aspire to be the rich and tend to live in rural areas. To do this, they sell the wealth-pandering with an appeal to individualism. They assume that the wealthy rightly deserve every dollar.

Democrats appeal heavily to the upper middle class and the working class. The upper middle class consists of highly skilled employees, but generally not the employers themselves. These are smart people, like professors, doctors, engineers, and journalists. Smart professionals. They don't stand to gain from tax hikes and increased social programs. They still support them because they appreciate what they have, and want to share in success, rather than have a selfish need to inflate their personal compensation wayyy out of proportion to their economic contribution.
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do you think more doctors vote Dem or GOP? your GUESS as to why say Journalists vote for higher taxes is purely speculation and I deny your claim
 
Absentglare said:
You're right, the GOP panders to the super rich to buy votes while the democrats rely on the appeal of their common sense policies. What a bunch of saps.
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This isn't true. I think you'll probably find that Wall Street, bankers, attorneys, etc, almost universally vote Dem today. If they're not placating the party, they're unemployed.
 
TurtleDude said:
lets look at groups of voters rather than states
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Fine with me.
Tell 'Texas' Fenton.

TurtleDude said:
blacks vote Democrat higher than any other group
higher than whites, higher than Asians, higher than Jews, Higher than hispanics
which group has the most-per capita-on the dole?
hmmm
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You won't get Any argument from me!
You know I've posted things like the exponentially higher Black Crime stats many times.
It's almost certainly true about [other] Social spending to.
'Lord knows' I'm not religious, but Slavery was kind of 'Original Sin': we're still paying for it after 150 years, and will for centuries more.
 
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TurtleDude said:
do you think more doctors vote Dem or GOP? your GUESS as to why say Journalists vote for higher taxes is purely speculation and I deny your claim
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Democrats appeal more to the upper middle class.

The upper middle class consists of skilled professionals.

Any trend you speculate on the specific examples i cited is not terribly relevant. My claim was about the upper middle class. My examples were simply defining the general group to which the claim applied.
 
betuadollar said:
This isn't true. I think you'll probably find that Wall Street, bankers, attorneys, etc, almost universally vote Dem today. If they're not placating the party, they're unemployed.
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Warren Buffet is famous for his views, but then again so are the Koch brothers.
 
Absentglare said:
Democrats appeal more to the upper middle class.

The upper middle class consists of skilled professionals.

Any trend you speculate on the specific examples i cited is not terribly relevant. My claim was about the upper middle class. My examples were simply defining the general group to which the claim applied.
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Like Doctors? Democrats appeal to cubicle bunnies who are somewhat educated and think they should be paid more. They appeal to those who are dependent on government money like teachers, professors, researchers and many government workers.
 
Absentglare said:
You're right, the GOP panders to the super rich to buy votes while the democrats rely on the appeal of their common sense policies. What a bunch of saps.
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From my investigations the super rich fund both parties and win as long as we are stupid enough to vote for either of their candidates.:lamo:lamo
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
From my investigations the super rich fund both parties and win as long as we are stupid enough to vote for either of their candidates.:lamo:lamo
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Super rich individuals are more likely to vote republican since republicans are more in favor of tax cuts to wealthy individuals.

Democrats are funded by various special interest groups such as unions but also specific industries that tend to vary per politician.

If you're just a generic super rich person, you're generally more incentivized to vote republican.

But you're right that both sides of the aisle tend to represent interests other than the people.
 
Absentglare said:
Super rich individuals are more likely to vote republican since republicans are more in favor of tax cuts to wealthy individuals.

Democrats are funded by various special interest groups such as unions but also specific industries that tend to vary per politician.

If you're just a generic super rich person, you're generally more incentivized to vote republican.

But you're right that both sides of the aisle tend to represent interests other than the people.
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I think the super rich want more government because they think that gives them more power. Those of us who are rich but not warren Buffett level tend to want less taxes, less interference and oppose the death tax. we aren't looking to run government
 
The state of Greed.

Followed closely by the state of Corruption.
 
Absentglare said:
Oh, it's because of defense spending that they collect more welfare yet supply less tax revenue? Yeah, that doesn't make a lick of sense.
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I'm not surprised you are unable to understand the facts.

The data is a measure of Federal Dollars received, versus federal taxes paid. With so few tax paying residents, and three major, and numerous minor, military bases, along with other Federal supporting infrastructures, it's rather simple to understand why so much Federal Dollars are sent to SC, versus how much is sent to the Feds by taxpayers.

That's what makes these lame charts so useless to all but the minions who have been told they mean something.

I guess it's easy to see where some people fit.

If you do take a moment to consider these facts, you might avoid drawing the wrong conclusions over and over.
 
Think of how much waste, corruption and debt we could save if it were illegal for the federal government to send money to the states. It would also help restore states rights.
 
ocean515 said:
I'm not surprised you are unable to understand the facts.

The data is a measure of Federal Dollars received, versus federal taxes paid. With so few tax paying residents, and three major, and numerous minor, military bases, along with other Federal supporting infrastructures, it's rather simple to understand why so much Federal Dollars are sent to SC, versus how much is sent to the Feds by taxpayers.

That's what makes these lame charts so useless to all but the minions who have been told they mean something.

I guess it's easy to see where some people fit.

If you do take a moment to consider these facts, you might avoid drawing the wrong conclusions over and over.
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Found it!
The charts are from The Atlantic.
I thought maybe they were from a different manipulator of data for charts, Mother Jones, but no, it was in The Atlantic.
By someone named John Tierney who is, judging from his Twitters, an unreconstructed Lefty former Professor.
His piece gave his reasons for the differences in the graph but, curiously enough, the military wasn't mentioned.
Which States Are Givers and Which Are Takers? - The Atlantic
 
Kobie said:
Any evidence your claim is true? Any at all?
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Hey, which county do you live in. I want to make sure you "blue" people are bundled together. :lol:
 
bubbabgone said:
Found it!
The charts are from The Atlantic.
I thought maybe they were from a different manipulator of data for charts, Mother Jones, but no, it was in The Atlantic.
By someone named John Tierney who is, judging from his Twitters, an unreconstructed Lefty former Professor.
His piece gave his reasons for the differences in the graph but, curiously enough, the military wasn't mentioned.
Which States Are Givers and Which Are Takers? - The Atlantic
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Consider this quote from Tierney's essay:


During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly Democratic, its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate, enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees, which they used to send federal dollars back to their home states in the form of contracts, projects, installations.​

So, "in the form of...installations". Yes, installations like the three major military bases. Imagine the costs of operating three major bases, against a tax base in a state with 4.6 million people.

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ocean515 said:
Consider this quote from Tierney's essay:


During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly Democratic, its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate, enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees, which they used to send federal dollars back to their home states in the form of contracts, projects, installations.​

So, "in the form of...installations". Yes, installations like the three major military bases. Imagine the costs of operating three major bases, against a tax base in a state with 4.6 million people.

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Yeah I saw that and got a chuckle. Couldn't bring himself to even say the word. Besides, it didn't fit the meme.
 
bubbabgone said:
Yeah I saw that and got a chuckle. Couldn't bring himself to even say the word. Besides, it didn't fit the meme.
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military expenditures are 3 billion per year in south carolina, south carolina receives 59 billion per year in federal taxes, and only pays 17 billion in taxes

For the 2014 fiscal year, federal agencies sent $59.4 billion to South Carolina, the 11th highest total in the nation, according to USASpending.gov, a government website that tracks federal spending.

That total is almost nine times greater than the state's annual General Fund budget.

"We don't dislike government in South Carolina," said Chip Felkel, a Greenville GOP political consultant. "We can preach about it. We can talk about it. But the majority of people don't vote that way."

The largest share of federal spending in the state - $34.9 billion - is spent on Medicare and Medicaid, according to the website.

Another $14.4 billion comes from Social Security, while $2.1 billion comes from Veterans Affairs, $2 billion from the Department of Energy for its Savannah River Site operations and $1 billion from the U.S. Department of Education.
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SC does better than most in receiving federal dollars
 
ocean515 said:
I'm not surprised you are unable to understand the facts.

The data is a measure of Federal Dollars received, versus federal taxes paid. With so few tax paying residents, and three major, and numerous minor, military bases, along with other Federal supporting infrastructures, it's rather simple to understand why so much Federal Dollars are sent to SC, versus how much is sent to the Feds by taxpayers.

That's what makes these lame charts so useless to all but the minions who have been told they mean something.

I guess it's easy to see where some people fit.

If you do take a moment to consider these facts, you might avoid drawing the wrong conclusions over and over.
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Are you suggesting there are no military bases in blue states?

I can't believe how convoluted this explanation is. It's bizarre.
 
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