CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending

Defunding Planned Parrenthood cost more than leaving it alone.:lamo

pbrauer said:

Defunding Planned Parrenthood cost more than leaving it alone.:lamo

CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending | TheHill
Permanently defunding Planned Parenthood would end up increasing government spending by $130 million over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).


The CBO, Congress’s nonpartisan scorekeeper, projects that defunding Planned Parenthood would actually end up increasing government spending, because it would result in more unplanned births as women lost access to services such as contraception. Medicaid would have to pay for some of those births, and some of the children themselves would then end up qualifying for Medicaid and other government programs.
So while CBO estimates that cutting off federal funds to Planned Parenthood would reduce spending by $520 million 10 ten years, it would also increase spending by $650 million over that period. The net effect is an increase in spending of $130 million.

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It's not all about the cost, it's mainly about finding out if they use legal and ethical practices.

pbrauer said:

Defunding Planned Parrenthood cost more than leaving it alone.:lamo

CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending | TheHill
Permanently defunding Planned Parenthood would end up increasing government spending by $130 million over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).


The CBO, Congress’s nonpartisan scorekeeper, projects that defunding Planned Parenthood would actually end up increasing government spending, because it would result in more unplanned births as women lost access to services such as contraception. Medicaid would have to pay for some of those births, and some of the children themselves would then end up qualifying for Medicaid and other government programs.
So while CBO estimates that cutting off federal funds to Planned Parenthood would reduce spending by $520 million 10 ten years, it would also increase spending by $650 million over that period. The net effect is an increase in spending of $130 million.

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It is amazing how abortionists pretend as though planned parenthood is the only group out there that does non-abortion related services.

pbrauer said:

Defunding Planned Parrenthood cost more than leaving it alone.:lamo

CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending | TheHill
Permanently defunding Planned Parenthood would end up increasing government spending by $130 million over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).


The CBO, Congress’s nonpartisan scorekeeper, projects that defunding Planned Parenthood would actually end up increasing government spending, because it would result in more unplanned births as women lost access to services such as contraception. Medicaid would have to pay for some of those births, and some of the children themselves would then end up qualifying for Medicaid and other government programs.
So while CBO estimates that cutting off federal funds to Planned Parenthood would reduce spending by $520 million 10 ten years, it would also increase spending by $650 million over that period. The net effect is an increase in spending of $130 million.

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Bringing up children will always cost money. We all did. Now we pay taxes.

jamesrage said:

It is amazing how abortionists pretend as though planned parenthood is the only group out there that does non-abortion related services.

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Unlike the anti-choicers who, realizing that there are many who perform both abortion and non-abortion related services, are trying to defund all of them:roll:

sangha said:

Unlike the anti-choicers who, realizing that there are many who perform both abortion and non-abortion related services, are trying to defund all of them:roll:

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The only ones pro-lifers are trying to stop tax dollars from going to are organizations that perform abortions.Planned parenthood does abortionists.It doesn't matter what health services they do on the side or refer to on the side.There are plenty of organizations out there that do not do any abortions. You abortionists would be still screaming bloody murder if those tax dollars that Planned Parenthood is receiving went to organizations that do not do any abortions.

jamesrage said:

The only ones pro-lifers are trying to stop tax dollars from going to are organizations that perform abortions.Planned parenthood does abortionists.

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There are plenty of clinics and hospitals that perform abortions and recieve tax dollars and the anti-choicers are doing nothing about it.

sangha said:

There are plenty of clinics and hospitals that perform abortions and recieve tax dollars and the anti-choicers are doing nothing about it.

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And I am sure that once planned Parenthood is de-funded of tax dollars then the pro-lifers will go after the other organizations that perform elective abortions.

jamesrage said:

And I am sure that once planned Parenthood is de-funded of tax dollars then the pro-lifers will go after the other organizations that perform elective abortions.

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"Always certain; Rarely right"

WCH said:

It's not all about the cost, it's mainly about finding out if they use legal and ethical practices.

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Defunding Planned Parenthood doesn't answer the question either which way.

So today the 'nonpartisan scorekeeper" CBO says something to agree with, but when it comes to other topics...

Some things are more important than money.

Plus, this also vividly demonstrates why we need massive entitlement reform. Thanks Pete.

pbrauer said:

Defunding Planned Parrenthood cost more than leaving it alone.:lamo

CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending | TheHill
Permanently defunding Planned Parenthood would end up increasing government spending by $130 million over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).


The CBO, Congress’s nonpartisan scorekeeper, projects that defunding Planned Parenthood would actually end up increasing government spending, because it would result in more unplanned births as women lost access to services such as contraception. Medicaid would have to pay for some of those births, and some of the children themselves would then end up qualifying for Medicaid and other government programs.
So while CBO estimates that cutting off federal funds to Planned Parenthood would reduce spending by $520 million 10 ten years, it would also increase spending by $650 million over that period. The net effect is an increase in spending of $130 million.

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1. I don't advocate defunding Planned Parenthood...but I do advocate cracking down hard on their procedures for distributing fetal body parts.

2. If Planned Parenthood WERE permanently defunded, I don't agree that women would lose access to services such as contraception. Let's face it, PP isn't the only tool in the shed.

3. If such permanent defunding DID result in increases in Medicaid and other government programs, maybe those government programs should be adjusted to eliminate such increases.

Beaudreaux said:

Some things are more important than money.

Plus, this also vividly demonstrates why we need massive entitlement reform. Thanks Pete.

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wait
without pregnancy prevention there will be more unwanted pregnancies
that will result in more abortions
and also more unwanted kids
hell of a time to think about reducing welfare benefits to those unwanted children

I'm not a pro-lifer, so maybe that explains my ambivalence toward PP either way.

However, it seems to me that research and other legal objectives using fetal parts that originate from a legal abortion should also be legal. To me, it's about the same as me donating my organs and/or tissue after dying in a car wreck caused by someone else.

So eliminate "Medicaid and other social programs."

Problem solved.

justabubba said:

wait
without pregnancy prevention there will be more unwanted pregnancies
that will result in more abortions
and also more unwanted kids
hell of a time to think about reducing welfare benefits to those unwanted children

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Let's sell unborn unwanted baby parts so we can prevent more unwanted babies? Nice.

Seriously though - Planned Parenthood is not the only outlet for these women to get medical care. If it were, then I would be right there with you... but it isn't, and they have been doing some things that are not only illegal, but just damned horrific to think about.

I've been on record here numerous times advocating fetal stem cell research and use. I am also on record here numerous times opposing the selling of fetal tissue by abortion clinics, even if that fee is to only cover "the costs" of shipping or whatever they say it's for.

Some things are more important than money.

Beaudreaux said:

Some things are more important than money.

Plus, this also vividly demonstrates why we need massive entitlement reform. Thanks Pete.

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Only about 3% of PP resources goes to abortion services and I assume most are performed on women in the first trimester.

pbrauer said:

Only about 3% of PP resources goes to abortion services

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Jesus Haploid Christ...

I guess sometimes it just isn't enough for Pinnochio's nose to be extending, his pants have to be on fire, too?

You know, that's not very nice to a wooden boy.

pbrauer said:

Only about 3% of PP resources goes to abortion services and I assume most are performed on women in the first trimester.

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Pete, you should know that I am not anti-abortion. Telling me what PP reports as their allocation of funds to abortion makes no difference to what I said. I see no reason, now that we have ObamaCare, to give PP any money.

Between Medicaid and ObamaCare, PP should be able to get paid for every single cost they have that is reasonable for women's care given to the poor. Why do we have to give them even more money? Are they more deserving than any other medical provider that has to get by on what Medicaid or ObamaCare policies pay?

Look, it's obvious that certain PP clinics were charging fees for aborted fetal tissue - even if it was only to cover the "costs" it was charging a fee. That, I have a problem with. They should be donating the tissue to universities and other legitimate research groups for fetal tissue stem cell research and other medical advances. That, I would not have a problem with.

I don't have a problem with PP providing abortions. Or any other services for that matter. Abortion is legal and they are a private organization that can provide any legal service they want.

However, the Hyde Amendment makes it illegal to use federal tax dollars to pay for abortions. All money is fungible. When money is given to anyone, there is no way to determine exactly what that money went toward. Federal tax dollars given to Planned Parenthood cannot be proven to have not been used to pay for the costs associated with abortions, because again... all money is fungible.

I try not to make assumptions with this subject. I look at the facts as presented and the counter facts presented by the opposing side. All facts, so far, point to the truth as I wrote it above. Whether you or I personally like it or not.

jamesrage said:

It is amazing how abortionists pretend as though planned parenthood is the only group out there that does non-abortion related services.

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That's true, but it would've been just as easy to pass a bill which earmarked government funding for non-abortion services only. Instead, they pulled all funding, which puts health services at risk. Very little of PP's operational spending goes to abortion services, something like 5-7%. The rest is family planning, counseling, and OBGYN services.

PP may not be the only one, but it's one of the most influential and established health services all over the country. They have quality control and a well known name which people trust... vs. many other private clinics.

The bill was based on attacking political enemies, nothing more. It's not fair to punish all PP patients because the political-right has a problem with one aspect of its services.

The political attacks on women in this country lately are just mind boggling.

Northern Light said:

That's true, but it would've been just as easy to pass a bill which earmarked government funding for non-abortion services only. Instead, they pulled all funding, which puts health services at risk. Very little of PP's operational spending goes to abortion services, something like 5-7%. The rest is family planning, counseling, and OBGYN services.

PP may not be the only one, but it's one of the most influential and established health services all over the country. They have quality control and a well known name which people trust... vs. many other private clinics.

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Giving tax dollars to planned parenthood amounts to giving a crack head money to buy food. Sure the crack will buy food, but at the same time you freed up more his money that would have went to paying for food to buy more crack, so indirectly you are paying for the crackhead's crack just as we are indirectly paying for abortions with tax dollars.As for the 5-7% number that a load of horse **** since women coming in abortions often get other services along with those abortions and those other services are counted as separate services.Using this sort of logic one could argue that since major league baseball teams sell millions of hotdogs, pizza,hamburgers, soda,beer,souvenirs and other things at their games then baseball only makes up a tiny percentage of their business.

The bill was based on attacking political enemies, nothing more. It's not fair to punish all PP patients because the political-right has a problem with one aspect of its services.

The political attacks on women in this country lately are just mind boggling

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Again there are other organizations that do not perform elective abortions that pass out free condoms, birth control pills, do breast exams and so on.Those PP patients can go to organizations that do not do elective abortions.

Northern Light said:

That's true, but it would've been just as easy to pass a bill which earmarked government funding for non-abortion services only. Instead, they pulled all funding, which puts health services at risk. Very little of PP's operational spending goes to abortion services, something like 5-7%. The rest is family planning, counseling, and OBGYN services..

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Funny, I thought Obamacare was supposed to cover that. :roll:

jamesrage said:

It is amazing how abortionists pretend as though planned parenthood is the only group out there that does non-abortion related services.

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They do so in a cost effective manner - in addition they are accessible and available. If you have Medicaid or are"to rich for Medicaid and too poor for insurance....they will give you sliding scale. I have a family member in the pubic health system. He has serious health issues and has to go three cities down to get care. If he needs a "short appointment" (same week) he will likely go to ER. In general, for a scheduled appointment he waits 3 hours. "Luckily" he does not work time to wait. The working poor have no such time to waste. Planned Parenthood has accessible and available appointments.

It depends on the city you are in. So are not as overburdened as others.

jmotivator said:

Funny, I thought Obamacare was supposed to cover that. :roll:

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Obamacare is not Universal Health Care. Good grief. Many are still uninsured. On top of that, many states did not opt in for Medicaid expansion.....it makes the easy to schedule visits and pricing structure (sliding scale) more important.