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CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending

MTAtech said:
That's not an unbiased source. As evidence, it uses the phrase, "the Washington Post reports." No, the Washington Post didn't report. The link was an opinion piece that just happened to be published in the Washington Post.
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Why don't you just admit that you've been duped PP and the abortion lobby.

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https://www.raconline.org/
 
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WCH said:
Why don't you just admit that you've duped PP and the abortion lobby.
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The title of the thread is CBO: defunding planned parenthood increases government spending. That is indeed true, unless someone can counter the CBO's figures.

You countered with (paraphrasing) 'we really don't need PP anyway, because whatever they do will be done by others.' That viewpoint is contrary to how markets work. A) there may very well not be an alternate within a reasonable distance. B) the argument is like saying, we don't need WalMart, because people can shop somewhere else. Yet, WalMart seems to attract billions in sales for some reason.

For many reasons, women choose to go to PP for services. Are there other placed that might provide these services? Maybe. But for some reason (cost, convenience, location, etc.) women are going to Planned Parenthood and the CBO says that cutting off PP will cost the government money.

Why don't you just admit that you just want to defund Planned Parenthood for ideological reasons, and you will use any spurious argument to reach that end?
 
nota bene said:
Why don't you take a look at this list? Dallas, TX Free Clinics | Affordable Medical and Dental Clinics in Dallas County

Were Planned Parenthood to be defunded, that money could go toward strengthening the support of free/sliding scale/low-cost clinics that served all.
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What you are suggesting is for the government to redirect money that would have gone to Planned Parenthood, to other providers of clinic services. In other words, it doesn't save any money but it takes away money from Planned Parenthood, who conservatives hate. Apart from there mantra about 'picking winners and losers,' I guess conservatives really don't mind picking winners and losers, as long as the losers are organizations they hate.

It's also dubious and presumptive that those clinics provide the range of services women need. Look at your own list in Dallas, several were churches -- who I doubt provide contraceptive services. Others didn't mention gynecological services. The woman that I linked tried those alternative FQHC’s and reports that the services and waiting required was unacceptable.

From the post I am responding to, it's clear that the hard-right just as a hard-on for Planned Parenthood.
 
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MTAtech said:
What you are suggesting is for the government to redirect money that would have gone to Planned Parenthood, to other providers of clinic services. In other words, it doesn't save any money but it takes away money from Planned Parenthood, who conservatives hate. Apart from there mantra about 'picking winners and losers,' I guess conservatives really don't mind picking winners and losers, as long as the losers are organizations they hate.

It's also dubious and presumptive that those clinics provide the range of services women need. Look at your own list in Dallas, several were churches -- who I doubt provide contraceptive services. Others didn't mention gynecological services. The woman that I linked tried those alternative FQHC’s and reports that the services and waiting required was unacceptable.

From the post I am responding to, it's clear that the hard-right just as a hard-on for Planned Parenthood.
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I hate that Planned Parenthood performs elective abortions for any reason at all. That doesn't give me a hard-on; it fills me with disgust and horror.
 
nota bene said:
I hate that Planned Parenthood performs elective abortions for any reason at all. That doesn't give me a hard-on; it fills me with disgust and horror.
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So, you hate Planned Parenthood because they perform LEGAL elective abortions and are willing to punish women, who get very important services from them, in order to punish Planned Parenthood.
 
MTAtech said:
So, you hate Planned Parenthood because they perform LEGAL elective abortions and are willing to punish women, who get very important services from them, in order to punish Planned Parenthood.
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Please don't put words in my mouth. I said that I hate that PP performs elective abortions. I did not say that I wish to punish women, and I don't appreciate your dishonesty here.
 
nota bene said:
Please don't put words in my mouth. I said that I hate that PP performs elective abortions. I did not say that I wish to punish women, and I don't appreciate your dishonesty here.
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That is effectively what would be done if PP is defunded.
 
MTAtech said:
That is effectively what would be done if PP is defunded.
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You don't have the gift of prophecy anymore than I do. And that doesn't excuse your deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
 
MTAtech said:
That is effectively what would be done if PP is defunded.
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That is stupid and wrong.

You have to be very far down the rabbit hole of leftism before not buying someone a service on the taxpayer's dime becomes a "punishment."
 
WCH said:
Why don't you just admit that you've been duped PP and the abortion lobby.

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https://www.raconline.org/
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I have a family that has to go to through the community health system. He has to 3 major cities down (same county)and about 30 miles away. He has a car so it is somewhat do-able. Unfortunately in the health centers you speak of, they are amazingly understaffed with poor resources. ER is unfortunately his best option if he needs an appointment in the next month/

So pardon me if the pretty picture of all "Health Centers" leaves me flat.

An infusion of extra resources would likely help the existing customers who are currently poorly/inefficiently served.
 
sangha said:
There are plenty of clinics and hospitals that perform abortions and recieve tax dollars and the anti-choicers are doing nothing about it.
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I am pro-choice but don't want tax dollars spent. Always found it kinda unsettling that the Government gave money to the right to end life for a fetus but the right to end life at anytime after that is frowned upon.
 
justabubba said:
wait
without pregnancy prevention there will be more unwanted pregnancies
that will result in more abortions
and also more unwanted kids
hell of a time to think about reducing welfare benefits to those unwanted children
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No! No! Flat out bs being spread by PP supporters.. here are some facts.

Obamacare now requires insurance companies to carry the same damn services as Planned Parenthood. Then if you want the abortion "option" you can get it for $1 a month.. So $12 a year.

So think about that for a second.. we have ACA requiring the same services being provided as PP but requires those with the insurance to pay an extra $12 a year (which is pennies on the dollar). But tax payers are paying for both. Isn't that by nature make one of those two redundant?
 
Northern Light said:
That's true, but it would've been just as easy to pass a bill which earmarked government funding for non-abortion services only. Instead, they pulled all funding, which puts health services at risk. Very little of PP's operational spending goes to abortion services, something like 5-7%. The rest is family planning, counseling, and OBGYN services.

PP may not be the only one, but it's one of the most influential and established health services all over the country. They have quality control and a well known name which people trust... vs. many other private clinics.

The bill was based on attacking political enemies, nothing more. It's not fair to punish all PP patients because the political-right has a problem with one aspect of its services.

The political attacks on women in this country lately are just mind boggling.
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No, Northern Light...

ACA requires these services to be provided as well and under Federal law we all are REQUIRED to have health insurance. So you either get kicked on Medicaid or buy your own (with Government help).. PP is redundant now since under ACA, all of these services are in fact available to women. For example.. in most states if you are a women you can buy the same insurance as anybody else (have help paying for it) and kick in $12 a year of your own money and be fully covered for abortions.
 
MTAtech said:
'Switching to a private plan' means buying health insurance that a poor person may not be able to afford. That's why we have expanded Medicaid and those states that refuse to provide it are doing a disservice to their citizens for ideological reasons.
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LOL! People get Government subsidizes for this. They still pay very little.
 
year2late said:
I have a family that has to go to through the community health system. He has to 3 major cities down (same county)and about 30 miles away. He has a car so it is somewhat do-able. Unfortunately in the health centers you speak of, they are amazingly understaffed with poor resources. ER is unfortunately his best option if he needs an appointment in the next month/

So pardon me if the pretty picture of all "Health Centers" leaves me flat.

An infusion of extra resources would likely help the existing customers who are currently poorly/inefficiently served.
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Wait, What? So you are saying that the Federally funded FQHC have horrible healthcare? Who wouldn't have thought!?!?!?!?!
 
austrianecon said:
Wait, What? So you are saying that the Federally funded FQHC have horrible healthcare? Who wouldn't have thought!?!?!?!?!
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They are strapped.

Closing down Planned Parenthood would decrease the level of care for the women and men who use their services. Longer waits, longer transit times....

On top of that many of the states did not opt in to expanded Medicaid so the working poor - too rich for Medicaid - too poor for insurance are really screwed.

Defunding Planned Parenthood is a fool's errand.
 
jamesrage said:
It is amazing how abortionists pretend as though planned parenthood is the only group out there that does non-abortion related services.
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Carly Fiorina talks about that all the time.
 
pbrauer said:
Defunding Planned Parrenthood cost more than leaving it alone.:lamo

CBO: Defunding Planned Parenthood increases government spending | TheHill
Permanently defunding Planned Parenthood would end up increasing government spending by $130 million over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).


The CBO, Congress’s nonpartisan scorekeeper, projects that defunding Planned Parenthood would actually end up increasing government spending, because it would result in more unplanned births as women lost access to services such as contraception. Medicaid would have to pay for some of those births, and some of the children themselves would then end up qualifying for Medicaid and other government programs.
So while CBO estimates that cutting off federal funds to Planned Parenthood would reduce spending by $520 million 10 ten years, it would also increase spending by $650 million over that period. The net effect is an increase in spending of $130 million.

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It is not about the money. It is about saving children and punishing a barbaric institution.
 
year2late said:
They are strapped.

Closing down Planned Parenthood would decrease the level of care for the women and men who use their services. Longer waits, longer transit times....

On top of that many of the states did not opt in to expanded Medicaid so the working poor - too rich for Medicaid - too poor for insurance are really screwed.

Defunding Planned Parenthood is a fool's errand.
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Yes. We should fund PP's violent and extreme abortion practices so poor Mary and John don't have to wait an extra 30 minutes at the doctor. Good trade off.
 
year2late said:
Obamacare is not Universal Health Care. Good grief. Many are still uninsured. On top of that, many states did not opt in for Medicaid expansion.....it makes the easy to schedule visits and pricing structure (sliding scale) more important.
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So a federal law was created that fines individuals for not participating, and then tries to force costs on to states. This is called an unfunded mandate. Last I checked we are still free to move around the country, why not move to a state that supports your health care goals? I left Illinois for the sake of my family, a state that has artificially inflated cost of living based on union wages. It in effect punishes people who do not want to be in the union. So we left. We are seeing people and businesses flee California because their taxes are too high and their laws are restrictive. So if your state will not pay for your health insurance, move to a different one. It really is that simple. In the mean time, where is all that money from the fines going? Is it paying for health care?

ACA was jammed down our throats with the majority of the people against it, entirely written and passed by one party, built with provisions that push off costs to states that didn't want it and could not afford it, who were then blamed for it not working "as intended". I an sick of people and politicians complaining the failings are the problems of the state. I refuse to pretend that the current state of the federal government is due to unforseen circumstances. While we consider politicians idiots when their plans don't play out, I don't think it is fair to assume that with all of the people and money involved that they are that inept. I think we end up with what was intended, and the finger pointing is all part of it for political expedience. Politicians are much more interested in maintaining their own power by intentionally short sheeting the opposition rather than making laws that work for all.
 
MTAtech said:
The title of the thread is CBO: defunding planned parenthood increases government spending. That is indeed true, unless someone can counter the CBO's figures.

You countered with (paraphrasing) 'we really don't need PP anyway, because whatever they do will be done by others.' That viewpoint is contrary to how markets work. A) there may very well not be an alternate within a reasonable distance. B) the argument is like saying, we don't need WalMart, because people can shop somewhere else. Yet, WalMart seems to attract billions in sales for some reason.

For many reasons, women choose to go to PP for services. Are there other placed that might provide these services? Maybe. But for some reason (cost, convenience, location, etc.) women are going to Planned Parenthood and the CBO says that cutting off PP will cost the government money.

Why don't you just admit that you just want to defund Planned Parenthood for ideological reasons, and you will use any spurious argument to reach that end?
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OK, one of the reason I would like to see PP defunded is their unethical, unholy, Nazi-like procedures and practices.

Regardless, there are only 600+ PP locations and most are not in rural America. They are in urban area to maximize the potential for abortions for minorities. (i. e. eugenics).
 
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