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According to FactCheck.org here are Obama's numbers through 2nd quarter 2015. Remember, no number tells the whole story...

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I'm never going to go along with claim all success number benchmarks but ignore all negative number benchmarks when it comes to "fact checking." Worse, too many people think any President can claim direct influence and responsibility for these numbers telling us how uninformed the general population really is.
 
Those are not 2nd Quarter numbers, simply for the past 3 months. They are perhaps numbers since Jan, 2009 when we were in the midst of the greatest recession since the Great Depression. One would hope economic numbers would improve from that outlier start.
 
Captain America said:
According to FactCheck.org here are Obama's numbers through 2nd quarter 2015. Remember, no number tells the whole story...

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I suppose if Obama is to blame for all of the economic crises we've had, then it follows that he's responsible for the good news as well.

So, how much power does the presidency actually have?
 
I don't know what the numbers in the OP show - I'm far too old to be able to read the insert and I'm not searching out a magnifying glass.

That said, the 2015 numbers are not good for many countries, including my own, where in Canada we've seen four straight months of negative growth - very minor downturns, but down nonetheless - largely related to the halving of the price of oil. But those reductions in oil prices, while hard on a resource based economy such as Canada's, can also be good for manufacturing and other sectors in the economy. Much of Europe is in similar situation and a lot of Asia is even worse off.

Whatever the numbers posted refer to, one hopes that the American economy will finally start to heat up because whether we here in Canada and elsewhere like it or not, when America sneezes, we catch cold.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't know what the numbers in the OP show - I'm far too old to be able to read the insert and I'm not searching out a magnifying glass.

That said, the 2015 numbers are not good for many countries, including my own, where in Canada we've seen four straight months of negative growth - very minor downturns, but down nonetheless - largely related to the halving of the price of oil. But those reductions in oil prices, while hard on a resource based economy such as Canada's, can also be good for manufacturing and other sectors in the economy. Much of Europe is in similar situation and a lot of Asia is even worse off.

Whatever the numbers posted refer to, one hopes that the American economy will finally start to heat up because whether we here in Canada and elsewhere like it or not, when America sneezes, we catch cold.
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I hear ya! And that Canadian wildfire smoke is causing us sinus problems here in WI. LOL!

I wish the attachment was bigger too. I feel your pain.

Sounds like Canada needs to find an Obama of their own! LOL!

But as another poster mentioned, to the righty, Obama only gets blamed when numbers go down. When they go up, somebody, most likely right wing, gets the credit.

Humans are a peculiar species, no?
 
Dittohead not! said:
I suppose if Obama is to blame for all of the economic crises we've had, then it follows that he's responsible for the good news as well.

So, how much power does the presidency actually have?
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only enough to be responsible for all the bad numbers for republicans
and enough to be responsible for only the good numbers for democrats
 
Captain America said:
I hear ya! And that Canadian wildfire smoke is causing us sinus problems here in WI. LOL!

I wish the attachment was bigger too. I feel your pain.

Sounds like Canada needs to find an Obama of their own! LOL!

But as another poster mentioned, to the righty, Obama only gets blamed when numbers go down. When they go up, somebody, most likely right wing, gets the credit.

Humans are a peculiar species, no?
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We've had our share of Obama-likes here in Canada in our past and we don't need one right now. Fortunately, our Conservative federal government has been good fiscal managers and after all the stimulus spending and other incentives to help recover from the 2007/2008 fiscal mess that was none of our doing, we're now poised for budget surpluses starting next year. At the Provincial level, our Liberal government through over a decade of fiscal mismanagement has seen another credit rating cut just today and the debt just keeps piling up.

But you're right - we tend to discount the good done by those on the other side of the ideological scale. This conservative, however, had nothing but good things to say about a former Liberal federal government here back in the late 1990s who worked austerity magic to recoup our triple A credit rating and save us from unmanageable debt and deficits - they did a great job and many on the left hated them for it.

I try to credit/criticize policies, not where they come from, although I generally favour conservative politicians because at least they try to be fiscally responsible even though they sometimes fail.
 
For those in need of magnification.

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Some of those numbers are misleading while others are pretty sad.

The numbers that would benefit those who Obama promised to help are not there.
 
CanadaJohn said:
We've had our share of Obama-likes here in Canada in our past and we don't need one right now. Fortunately, our Conservative federal government has been good fiscal managers and after all the stimulus spending and other incentives to help recover from the 2007/2008 fiscal mess that was none of our doing, we're now poised for budget surpluses starting next year. At the Provincial level, our Liberal government through over a decade of fiscal mismanagement has seen another credit rating cut just today and the debt just keeps piling up.

But you're right - we tend to discount the good done by those on the other side of the ideological scale. This conservative, however, had nothing but good things to say about a former Liberal federal government here back in the late 1990s who worked austerity magic to recoup our triple A credit rating and save us from unmanageable debt and deficits - they did a great job and many on the left hated them for it.

I try to credit/criticize policies, not where they come from, although I generally favour conservative politicians because at least they try to be fiscally responsible even though they sometimes fail.
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Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

As a matter of curiosity, what policies did they implement that should result in budget surpluses next year? For instance, did each department have to cut costs by a certain percentage; were some programs eliminated or merged with others; were there tax increases; and so forth. Did the public agree or were they miserable for a while, even knowing that it was in their best interest? Our politicians could use a few good ideas, and not some wacky throw-outs just to look like they're doing something, IMO. And also very important will be the perception that everyone is pulling together, so it looks like it's being done equitably!

Watching what is happening to Greece and Puerto Rico, and probably some of the other countries in Southern Europe and other places, too, is sad, and should be a wake-up call for us, because it looks like debt is slowly strangling them. We owe more money than all of them put together, and we are not exempt from the law of economics!

We had thunderstorms yesterday, and it looks like more of the same for today and the next four days! Getting weary of rain, but at least it's warm outside - it could be worse...it could be snow! :shock:
 
CanadaJohn said:
We've had our share of Obama-likes here in Canada in our past and we don't need one right now. Fortunately, our Conservative federal government has been good fiscal managers and after all the stimulus spending and other incentives to help recover from the 2007/2008 fiscal mess that was none of our doing, we're now poised for budget surpluses starting next year. At the Provincial level, our Liberal government through over a decade of fiscal mismanagement has seen another credit rating cut just today and the debt just keeps piling up.

But you're right - we tend to discount the good done by those on the other side of the ideological scale. This conservative, however, had nothing but good things to say about a former Liberal federal government here back in the late 1990s who worked austerity magic to recoup our triple A credit rating and save us from unmanageable debt and deficits - they did a great job and many on the left hated them for it.

I try to credit/criticize policies, not where they come from, although I generally favour conservative politicians because at least they try to be fiscally responsible even though they sometimes fail.
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I whole-heartily support a conservative fiscal approach myself. What gets under my skin are the extreme social-conservatives. A piece of work, they are.

I, more or less, tend to agree with Dwight D. Eisenhower when he said that all matters dealing with the people should be liberal. Be human. In all matters dealing with the people's money or the government's, people should be conservative. So that leaves me stuck here in the middle of today's political interpretations.

It's lonesome being me.....
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

As a matter of curiosity, what policies did they implement that should result in budget surpluses next year? For instance, did each department have to cut costs by a certain percentage; were some programs eliminated or merged with others; were there tax increases; and so forth. Did the public agree or were they miserable for a while, even knowing that it was in their best interest? Our politicians could use a few good ideas, and not some wacky throw-outs just to look like they're doing something, IMO. And also very important will be the perception that everyone is pulling together, so it looks like it's being done equitably!

Watching what is happening to Greece and Puerto Rico, and probably some of the other countries in Southern Europe and other places, too, is sad, and should be a wake-up call for us, because it looks like debt is slowly strangling them. We owe more money than all of them put together, and we are not exempt from the law of economics!

We had thunderstorms yesterday, and it looks like more of the same for today and the next four days! Getting weary of rain, but at least it's warm outside - it could be worse...it could be snow! :shock:
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Good afternoon Lady P - hope all is well with you. We've had a little bit of rain this afternoon, but it's been hot and humid the past few days so a little rain to break that up won't hurt.

Well, Canada was somewhat unique during the financial crisis and the aftermath in that our banking system is the best in the world, properly regulated, and wasn't harmed to nearly as badly as those in the US and Europe. In addition, Canada's development of the oilsands and other resource sectors was very productive both in creating jobs, with the resulting tax revenue that brought, as well as with royalties from those sectors. In addition, our stimulus during/after the financial crisis was far more limited than that it other jurisdictions and was reigned in faster. Our government also limited expenditures pretty much across the board and in some areas that conservatives don't normally go, such as military spending. But we did reduce spending or increases in spending against inflation in public sector employment and in transfer payments to the Provinces and reduced corporate taxation marginally.

As a result of all of the above, Canada's economy grew faster in the last 7 years or so than any other country in the G7 and most if not all of the G20 which allowed our government to benefit from circumstances as well as good governance. However, we have a federal election coming up in October and both the left and far left leaning parties are trying to bribe the Canadian public with promises to increase spending and it will be interesting to see if the Canadian public keeps the steady hands of the Conservatives in power or succumbs to the temptations. Since Canada's economy is suffering some now due to the drop in the price of oil and other resources, this is not the time to go on social spending sprees.
 
Captain America said:
I whole-heartily support a conservative fiscal approach myself. What gets under my skin are the extreme social-conservatives. A piece of work, they are.

I, more or less, tend to agree with Dwight D. Eisenhower when he said that all matters dealing with the people should be liberal. Be human. In all matters dealing with the people's money or the government's, people should be conservative. So that leaves me stuck here in the middle of today's political interpretations.

It's lonesome being me.....
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You'd basically be a Canadian Conservative - our motto is keep the government out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms. In effect, keep a close eye on the dollars and the economy and get out of our private, personal lives. It's a good philosophy and if American Conservatives would be more like that, they could be very successful.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You'd basically be a Canadian Conservative - our motto is keep the government out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms. In effect, keep a close eye on the dollars and the economy and get out of our private, personal lives. It's a good philosophy and if American Conservatives would be more like that, they could be very successful.
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That's how we USED to be before the wingnut's hijacked the identity.
 
Captain America said:
That's how we USED to be before the wingnut's hijacked the identity.
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I think it's gradually being won back. The stridently social religious right is a pretty spent force these days and will not be influential this time around.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good afternoon Lady P - hope all is well with you. We've had a little bit of rain this afternoon, but it's been hot and humid the past few days so a little rain to break that up won't hurt.

Well, Canada was somewhat unique during the financial crisis and the aftermath in that our banking system is the best in the world, properly regulated, and wasn't harmed to nearly as badly as those in the US and Europe. In addition, Canada's development of the oilsands and other resource sectors was very productive both in creating jobs, with the resulting tax revenue that brought, as well as with royalties from those sectors. In addition, our stimulus during/after the financial crisis was far more limited than that it other jurisdictions and was reigned in faster. Our government also limited expenditures pretty much across the board and in some areas that conservatives don't normally go, such as military spending. But we did reduce spending or increases in spending against inflation in public sector employment and in transfer payments to the Provinces and reduced corporate taxation marginally.

As a result of all of the above, Canada's economy grew faster in the last 7 years or so than any other country in the G7 and most if not all of the G20 which allowed our government to benefit from circumstances as well as good governance. However, we have a federal election coming up in October and both the left and far left leaning parties are trying to bribe the Canadian public with promises to increase spending and it will be interesting to see if the Canadian public keeps the steady hands of the Conservatives in power or succumbs to the temptations. Since Canada's economy is suffering some now due to the drop in the price of oil and other resources, this is not the time to go on social spending sprees.
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All agreed, but it is centrist and far left party sir!

And it should be noted that our banking system was reinforced under the Liberals where many of the right here wanted the regs opened like the US.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, as our American friends would say, there's centrists, liberals and far leftists here in Canada, and no conservatives.
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By some of their standards you're a commie.

Harper's Conservatives are small 'c', and credit to the Alberta boy he has found the right [sorry for the pun] balance of fiscal conservatism and social conscience. By world standards he is pretty moderate as a conservative, rather liberal in fact. '


Some of his goons though? My MLA sits as a Liberal in Victoria and is scary. You might know Sam Sullivan as the Vancouver mayor who's three year term produced a 20 second video of him twirling the flag in his wheel chair in Turin. He's bad news scary not even most of his colleagues like him. So with him and Hedy Fry as my reps, I either work for and vote Conservative or kill myself eating crushed glass, anything but vote for either...
 
Fearandloathing said:
By some of their standards you're a commie.

Harper's Conservatives are small 'c', and credit to the Alberta boy he has found the right [sorry for the pun] balance of fiscal conservatism and social conscience. By world standards he is pretty moderate as a conservative, rather liberal in fact. '


Some of his goons though? My MLA sits as a Liberal in Victoria and is scary. You might know Sam Sullivan as the Vancouver mayor who's three year term produced a 20 second video of him twirling the flag in his wheel chair in Turin. He's bad news scary not even most of his colleagues like him. So with him and Hedy Fry as my reps, I either work for and vote Conservative or kill myself eating crushed glass, anything but vote for either...
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Well, that is the wild and wacky world of British Columbia. Something happens to the air as it crosses the Rockies, I guess. Although 21st century Ontario is turning out to be a nightmare all its own.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I think it's gradually being won back. The stridently social religious right is a pretty spent force these days and will not be influential this time around.
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I hope not. But there is no shortage of that wingnut rhetoric flying around out there by these yahoo's trying to get elected. Gawd I hate political cycles. Prez gets elected every 4 years and people start their smack two years before the election and bitch and moan the two years following the election. We need a break.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, that is the wild and wacky world of British Columbia. Something happens to the air as it crosses the Rockies, I guess. Although 21st century Ontario is turning out to be a nightmare all its own.
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I think the problem is that the air doesn't cross the Rockies, it comes in off the Pacific and stays.


From what you tell me, I'd rather be here with all its faults than there.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I'm never going to go along with claim all success number benchmarks but ignore all negative number benchmarks when it comes to "fact checking." Worse, too many people think any President can claim direct influence and responsibility for these numbers telling us how uninformed the general population really is.
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Admittedly, the president realistically has very limited power to steer the economy of an entire country.

Just try and make sure you deny giving any credit or blame to either side of the aisle if you take that route.
 
Absentglare said:
Admittedly, the president realistically has very limited power to steer the economy of an entire country.

Just try and make sure you deny giving any credit or blame to either side of the aisle if you take that route.
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Nonsense..

If the economy was booming leftist hacks everywhere would be bragging about the success of Obama's economic policies.

But its not booming. Its, after 7 years and Trillions of new debt on life support.

Obama has no clue how to grow a Free market economy. He sure knows how to destroy one though.

He's ideologically opposed to Free market principles, and supply side economics, so hes clueless when it comes to things like creating new jobs.

The best he can do, and the best the left has to offer, is the ridiculous and debunked idea that one can grow a economy through increased Goverment spending.

Of-course thats nonsense.
 
Fenton said:
Nonsense..

If the economy was booming leftist hacks everywhere would be bragging about the success of Obama's economic policies.
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Correct, and furthermore, if the president were a Republican, then rightist hacks would be doing the same. The fact of the matter remains that the president has little control over the economy.
 
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