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Black America Regressing Under Obama; Prospered Under Reagan

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By James Agresti
March 25, 2015

The Washington Post recently published two opinion pieces in which the authors claimed that the economic policies of President Ronald Reagan—called Reaganomics—wreaked financial havoc on African Americans. To the contrary, the incomes of black households and families broadly rose during the Reagan administration, while in contrast, they have generally fallen during the current economic recovery.

In a March 1st column, Courtland Milloy showered praise on a playwright named August Wilson while wondering aloud if "there was a way for black boys in our public schools to benefit from Wilson's potentially life-changing insights." Milloy then proposed creating a school for "boys of color" in which Wilson's works would help the boys "understand the world around them." Milloy singled out one of Wilson's plays entitled King Hedley, which "represents the tumultuous 1980s, when Reaganomics and crack cocaine inflicted damages from which many black communities never recovered."

Relatedly, in a March 6th op-ed, poet and former model Jewel Allison joined a growing group of women who have stepped forward to accuse Bill Cosby of raping them. Allison stated that Cosby assaulted her in the late 1980s, but she waited more than two decades to reveal this because he was "one of the African American community's most celebrated and admired icons," and she did not want to damage his reputation for fear that this would harm other black Americans. "In the 1980s, when The Cosby Show aired," she explained, "African Americans were suffering more than most from the combined scourge of Reaganomics, AIDS and the crack epidemic."

Despite the very real harm caused by the transmission of HIV and use of crack cocaine, the claim that black Americans financially regressed during the presidency of Ronald Reagan is at odds with reality. Like President Obama, Reagan entered office under the specter of a major recession that ended early in his 8-year tenure (1981-1989). In the ensuing recovery, which began in 1982 and lasted through Reagan's second term, the Census Bureau records that the inflation-adjusted median cash income of black households rose by 12% or $3,306.

For a point of comparison, during the four years of available data on the most recent economic recovery (2010-2013), the median income of black households fell by 2.2% or $793.

(Excerpt)

Read more:
Black America Regressing Under Obama; Prospered Under Reagan | CNS News

I once heard a candidate claim that the present president at that time in 2008 was divisive and derisive and downright Un-American. In the passing eight years since the winner of two presidential elections has done more to destroy the core economy of America and derisively reduced the employment of Americans, especially those of color. The question must be posed as to why Obama has divisively raised racial bias and encouraged division of races whether black, brown or white. Was this the pledge of Obama to "Fundamentally Transform America"? After 7 years all indications seem to point to Obama's promise as meant to hurt not heal America.
 
Both Obama and GW Bush before him were pursuing similar avenues of 'recovery'. Big government (Bush bailed out the auto companies and instigated TARP), big government spending and giant Fed intervention.

That these have not worked for almost anyone but the rich is not Obama's fault in particular...it is the fact that Keynesian-style recovery economics is BIG in Washington at this point in history. Whomever would have been in the WH would have done almost the same thing (outside of someone like Ron Paul - but he had no chance).
 
Blacks now vote "correctly" so there is no problem as far as Obama is concerned. Obama is more concerned with securing the Hispanic and youth vote as of late.
 
The economy President Obama inherited was in the toilet, placed there by policies that deregulated the financial sector. Which party advocates for those?

When the economy goes in the toilet, those at the bottom are hurt the most. Which racial group is at the bottom of the ladder? Republican economic policies benefit the wealthy. Which racial group dominates that group?

Obama did indeed intend to fundamentally transform America, but he's been too busy cleaning up the mess created by those who have blind faith in largely unregulated capitalism.

Here's a study from a highly respected institution you may benefit from examining: Partisan Politics and the U.S. Income Distribution. It's not from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, but from the generally conservative Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton, which has alumni like Ted Cruz, Bill Frist, Kit Bond, Samuel Alito, George Schultz, Mitch Daniels, and David Petraeus. It analyzes data through 2004.
 
Both Obama and GW Bush before him were pursuing similar avenues of 'recovery'. Big government (Bush bailed out the auto companies and instigated TARP), big government spending and giant Fed intervention.

That these have not worked for almost anyone but the rich is not Obama's fault in particular...it is the fact that Keynesian-style recovery economics is BIG in Washington at this point in history. Whomever would have been in the WH would have done almost the same thing (outside of someone like Ron Paul - but he had no chance).

No one is debating that Bush created TARP to bail out the banks in December 2008. It was up to Obama as of January 2009 to judicially administer to the program, something he did not do.
 
The economy President Obama inherited was in the toilet, placed there by policies that deregulated the financial sector. Which party advocates for those?

When the economy goes in the toilet, those at the bottom are hurt the most. Which racial group is at the bottom of the ladder? Republican economic policies benefit the wealthy. Which racial group dominates that group?

Obama did indeed intend to fundamentally transform America, but he's been too busy cleaning up the mess created by those who have blind faith in largely unregulated capitalism.

Here's a study from a highly respected institution you may benefit from examining: Partisan Politics and the U.S. Income Distribution. It's not from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, but from the generally conservative Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton, which has alumni like Ted Cruz, Bill Frist, Kit Bond, Samuel Alito, George Schultz, Mitch Daniels, and David Petraeus. It analyzes data through 2004.

The economy is still in the toilet...
 
The economy President Obama inherited was in the toilet, placed there by policies that deregulated the financial sector. Which party advocates for those?

When the economy goes in the toilet, those at the bottom are hurt the most. Which racial group is at the bottom of the ladder? Republican economic policies benefit the wealthy. Which racial group dominates that group?

Obama did indeed intend to fundamentally transform America, but he's been too busy cleaning up the mess created by those who have blind faith in largely unregulated capitalism.

Here's a study from a highly respected institution you may benefit from examining: Partisan Politics and the U.S. Income Distribution. It's not from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, but from the generally conservative Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton, which has alumni like Ted Cruz, Bill Frist, Kit Bond, Samuel Alito, George Schultz, Mitch Daniels, and David Petraeus. It analyzes data through 2004.
Conditions have gotten better...for pretty much everyone BUT blacks in America. For them they are ever increasingly and steadily getting worse.
 
The economy President Obama inherited was in the toilet, placed there by policies that deregulated the financial sector. Which party advocates for those?

When the economy goes in the toilet, those at the bottom are hurt the most. Which racial group is at the bottom of the ladder? Republican economic policies benefit the wealthy. Which racial group dominates that group?

Obama did indeed intend to fundamentally transform America, but he's been too busy cleaning up the mess created by those who have blind faith in largely unregulated capitalism.

Here's a study from a highly respected institution you may benefit from examining: Partisan Politics and the U.S. Income Distribution. It's not from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, but from the generally conservative Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton, which has alumni like Ted Cruz, Bill Frist, Kit Bond, Samuel Alito, George Schultz, Mitch Daniels, and David Petraeus. It analyzes data through 2004.
In other words...dems controlled the house and senate from 2006 til 2012, the house, senate and WH from 2008-2012 and the senate and WH from 2006 to 2014...but its all George Bush and the republicans fault.

:lamo
 
Conditions have gotten better...for pretty much everyone BUT blacks in America. For them they are ever increasingly and steadily getting worse.

It doesn't hurt that they shoot themselves in both feet with their illegitimacy rate, either.
 
It doesn't hurt that they shoot themselves in both feet with their illegitimacy rate, either.
60 years of blind devotion to the democrat party and living under democrat governments in most major cities across the country have certainly taken a toll on the American black community. But they have a few holdiays on the books, some streets named after civil rights leaders...so obviously...democrats 'care'.

Malcolm X pointed all of this out in the 60s. Its as true today as it was then.
 
dems controlled the house and senate from 2006 til 2012

Republicans took over the House in Jan 2011. Democrats were in control of all three from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011.

>>but its all George Bush and the republicans fault.

I did not mention Mr. Bush.

Bush bailed out the auto companies and instigated TARP
It was up to Obama as of January 2009 to judicially administer [TARP], something he did not do.

Overall, the auto bailout was the one big money loser for TARP. Even with the Ally sale, taxpayers lost about $9.2 billion.

But opting not to bail out the auto industry likely would have proven far more costly, since GM, Chrysler and many car dealers likely would have gone out of business without the government's help.

If GM and Chrysler had gone under, it would have cost an estimated $39 billion to $105 billion in lost tax revenues as well as assistance to the unemployed, according to a study from the Center for Auto Research. And the government also would have been on the hook for billions in promised pension payments to autoworkers. — U.S. ends TARP with $15.3 billion profit, money.cnn.com, Dec 19, 2014​

>>big government spending

Federal spending fell 2.3% to $3.45 trillion in fiscal 2013 after dropping 1.8% in 2012. It was the largest annual decline in federal spending since 1955, and the first time spending had fallen two years in a row since 1954-55, at the end of the Korean War.

In the four years since 2009, the final budget year under President George W. Bush, federal spending has fallen by $63 billion, or 0.45%. It’s the first decline in federal spending over a four-year presidential term since Harry Truman sat in the Oval Office just after World War II. — I was right: Under Obama, spending has been flat, Market Watch, Nov 6, 2013​

That article includes a chart of the percentage increase in federal spending in each term since Reagan. The author notes that "[t]he figures have been adjusted to attribute all of the 2009 stimulus to Obama, and exclude TARP and the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." But since we now show a $32 billion and growing profit on those expenditures, it turns out they were not such a bad idea after all.

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The economy is still in the toilet...

Twelve million private-sector jobs added in the last five years

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Public-sector jobs down by 600,000

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Deficits

As a share of the economy, the deficit will be the lowest since 2007 and close to the average over the past 50 years. The 2.6 per cent prediction for this year compares with a deficit of 9.8 per cent in 2009. — US budget deficit to shrink to 2.6% of GDP, Financial Times, Jan 26, 2015​
 
Republicans took over the House in Jan 2011. Democrats were in control of all three from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011.

>>but its all George Bush and the republicans fault.

I did not mention Mr. Bush.


Overall, the auto bailout was the one big money loser for TARP. Even with the Ally sale, taxpayers lost about $9.2 billion.

But opting not to bail out the auto industry likely would have proven far more costly, since GM, Chrysler and many car dealers likely would have gone out of business without the government's help.

If GM and Chrysler had gone under, it would have cost an estimated $39 billion to $105 billion in lost tax revenues as well as assistance to the unemployed, according to a study from the Center for Auto Research. And the government also would have been on the hook for billions in promised pension payments to autoworkers. — U.S. ends TARP with $15.3 billion profit, money.cnn.com, Dec 19, 2014​

>>big government spending
Federal spending fell 2.3% to $3.45 trillion in fiscal 2013 after dropping 1.8% in 2012. It was the largest annual decline in federal spending since 1955, and the first time spending had fallen two years in a row since 1954-55, at the end of the Korean War.

In the four years since 2009, the final budget year under President George W. Bush, federal spending has fallen by $63 billion, or 0.45%. It’s the first decline in federal spending over a four-year presidential term since Harry Truman sat in the Oval Office just after World War II. — I was right: Under Obama, spending has been flat, Market Watch, Nov 6, 2013​

That article includes a chart of the percentage increase in federal spending in each term since Reagan. The author notes that "[t]he figures have been adjusted to attribute all of the 2009 stimulus to Obama, and exclude TARP and the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." But since we now show a $32 billion and growing profit on those expenditures, it turns out they were not such a bad idea after all.

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Twelve million private-sector jobs added in the last five years

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Public-sector jobs down by 600,000

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Deficits
As a share of the economy, the deficit will be the lowest since 2007 and close to the average over the past 50 years. The 2.6 per cent prediction for this year compares with a deficit of 9.8 per cent in 2009. — US budget deficit to shrink to 2.6% of GDP, Financial Times, Jan 26, 2015​
What has happened to the black community under the 6 years of the Obama presidency?



Bob and swallow. Bob and swallow.
 
When the average African/Mestizo kids role models are men wearing pants that don't fit singing songs such as this how can anyone truly be surprised? Those kids are cheated in life the second they turn on their favorite radio station. It's hard to deny.

 
Blacks now vote "correctly" so there is no problem as far as Obama is concerned. Obama is more concerned with securing the Hispanic and youth vote as of late.

The GOP doesn't have to worry about the white southern bible belt vote, either How come they don't vote democrat like they used to? Did the southern whites switch parties before or after blacks overwhelming became democrats?
 
By James Agresti
March 25, 2015

The Washington Post recently published two opinion pieces in which the authors claimed that the economic policies of President Ronald Reagan—called Reaganomics—wreaked financial havoc on African Americans. To the contrary, the incomes of black households and families broadly rose during the Reagan administration, while in contrast, they have generally fallen during the current economic recovery.

In a March 1st column, Courtland Milloy showered praise on a playwright named August Wilson while wondering aloud if "there was a way for black boys in our public schools to benefit from Wilson's potentially life-changing insights." Milloy then proposed creating a school for "boys of color" in which Wilson's works would help the boys "understand the world around them." Milloy singled out one of Wilson's plays entitled King Hedley, which "represents the tumultuous 1980s, when Reaganomics and crack cocaine inflicted damages from which many black communities never recovered."

Relatedly, in a March 6th op-ed, poet and former model Jewel Allison joined a growing group of women who have stepped forward to accuse Bill Cosby of raping them. Allison stated that Cosby assaulted her in the late 1980s, but she waited more than two decades to reveal this because he was "one of the African American community's most celebrated and admired icons," and she did not want to damage his reputation for fear that this would harm other black Americans. "In the 1980s, when The Cosby Show aired," she explained, "African Americans were suffering more than most from the combined scourge of Reaganomics, AIDS and the crack epidemic."

Despite the very real harm caused by the transmission of HIV and use of crack cocaine, the claim that black Americans financially regressed during the presidency of Ronald Reagan is at odds with reality. Like President Obama, Reagan entered office under the specter of a major recession that ended early in his 8-year tenure (1981-1989). In the ensuing recovery, which began in 1982 and lasted through Reagan's second term, the Census Bureau records that the inflation-adjusted median cash income of black households rose by 12% or $3,306.

For a point of comparison, during the four years of available data on the most recent economic recovery (2010-2013), the median income of black households fell by 2.2% or $793.


(Excerpt)

Read more:
Black America Regressing Under Obama; Prospered Under Reagan | CNS News

I once heard a candidate claim that the present president at that time in 2008 was divisive and derisive and downright Un-American. In the passing eight years since the winner of two presidential elections has done more to destroy the core economy of America and derisively reduced the employment of Americans, especially those of color. The question must be posed as to why Obama has divisively raised racial bias and encouraged division of races whether black, brown or white. Was this the pledge of Obama to "Fundamentally Transform America"? After 7 years all indications seem to point to Obama's promise as meant to hurt not heal America.
Whats up Doc___I think you might get yourself tagged a "racist" here!

Political Correctness strictly forbids comparing a successful white presidency;(Reagan) with the total failure of the first black presidency!(Obama)_

Especially when your facts report the terrible damage obamanomics has inflicted on its number one hardest hit victims!(black america)
 
What has happened to the black community under the 6 years of the Obama presidency?

I like yer sources: RT, a state-funded propaganda outlet of the Russian government similar to Fux Noise, and Not-so-bright Fart, which may still be trying to figure out exactly who has been nominated to be the next Attorney General. The RT video is a few years old. It lists black unemployment at 15.9%; it's now down to 10.4%. It has black teenage unemployment at 41.4%, now at 30%.

>>Bob and swallow. Bob and swallow.

Vulgarity I'm not familiar with. Don't bother to explain.

Political Correctness strictly forbids comparing a successful white presidency;(Reagan) with the total failure of the first black presidency!(Obama)

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing, Forbes, Sept 5, 2014

>>Especially when your facts report the terrible damage obamanomics has inflicted on its number one hardest hit victims!(black america)

Facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you over the head.

The concern for the African-American community displayed by mindless right-wing parrots is truly touching.
 
I like yer sources: RT, a state-funded propaganda outlet of the Russian government similar to Fux Noise, and Not-so-bright Fart, which may still be trying to figure out exactly who has been nominated to be the next Attorney General. The RT video is a few years old. It lists black unemployment at 15.9%; it's now down to 10.4%. It has black teenage unemployment at 41.4%, now at 30%.

>>Bob and swallow. Bob and swallow.

Vulgarity I'm not familiar with. Don't bother to explain.



Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing, Forbes, Sept 5, 2014

>>Especially when your facts report the terrible damage obamanomics has inflicted on its number one hardest hit victims!(black america)

Facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you over the head.

The concern for the African-American community displayed by mindless right-wing parrots is truly touching.

:lamo

Weak minded response...attack the source.

Breitbart didnt put the words in their mouths and nothing alters the facts. Unemployment rates (yes...even the ones that still count just the people remaining eleigible for services) are still across the board higher in the black communities. The black communities REMAIN devastated. And your big defense is to attack the source that bothers to actually put the video up.

Whats the matter? Confined to attacking a web site...are you too gutless to attack the PEOPLE in the video?
 
Unemployment rates … are still across the board higher in the black communities. The black communities REMAIN devastated.

Yes, and the African-American community knows which party and what policies will continue to be effective in mitigating that disparity and suffering. And they will vote accordingly. Sophomoric stunts and highly edited videos may go a long way in leading some to believe that they can turn that around, but those tactics will go absolutely nowhere.

Jeb Bush is the only Republican with a chance of being elected POTUS in 2016. Right-wing morons will likely deny him the nomination. If he does make it to the White House, I'm confident he will be a great disappointment to teabuggers.
 
Yes, and the African-American community knows which party and what policies will continue to be effective in mitigating that disparity and suffering. And they will vote accordingly. Sophomoric stunts and highly edited videos may go a long way in leading some to believe that they can turn that around, but those tactics will go absolutely nowhere.

Jeb Bush is the only Republican with a chance of being elected POTUS in 2016. Right-wing morons will likely deny him the nomination. If he does make it to the White House, I'm confident he will be a great disappointment to teabuggers.

:lamo

Black Americans have been blindly giving their loyalty to the democrats for decades. The results speak for themselves. But really...none of this is anything new.

 
Both Obama and GW Bush before him were pursuing similar avenues of 'recovery'. Big government (Bush bailed out the auto companies and instigated TARP), big government spending and giant Fed intervention.

That these have not worked for almost anyone but the rich is not Obama's fault in particular...it is the fact that Keynesian-style recovery economics is BIG in Washington at this point in history. Whomever would have been in the WH would have done almost the same thing (outside of someone like Ron Paul - but he had no chance).

So basically you're here to say.......it's Bush's fault, and not Obama. Thank you for your worthless, and unsurprising post.
 
The economy President Obama inherited was in the toilet, placed there by policies that deregulated the financial sector. Which party advocates for those?

When the economy goes in the toilet, those at the bottom are hurt the most. Which racial group is at the bottom of the ladder? Republican economic policies benefit the wealthy. Which racial group dominates that group?

Obama did indeed intend to fundamentally transform America, but he's been too busy cleaning up the mess created by those who have blind faith in largely unregulated capitalism.

Here's a study from a highly respected institution you may benefit from examining: Partisan Politics and the U.S. Income Distribution. It's not from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, but from the generally conservative Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton, which has alumni like Ted Cruz, Bill Frist, Kit Bond, Samuel Alito, George Schultz, Mitch Daniels, and David Petraeus. It analyzes data through 2004.



Wow!

Your whole post is directly out of the Democrat Manual.

It's also completely free of any real world knowledge.

Simplistic, divisive and biased: the perfect Democrat presentation. Is that you, Valerie? Susan? I can't determine exactly the "who", but the "what" is easy.
 
Conditions have gotten better...for pretty much everyone BUT blacks in America. For them they are ever increasingly and steadily getting worse.



As long as their lives are in the toilet, they will vote Democrat.

Stockholm Syndrom?
 
As long as their lives are in the toilet, they will vote Democrat.

Stockholm Syndrom?
No. They are just political chumps. They have been lied to and they have bought into the lie.
 
Black Americans have been blindly giving their loyalty to the democrats for decades.

No, they do it with their eyes wide open.

>>The results speak for themselves.

Yes they do.

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Note the steep decline in African-American poverty between 1966 and 1970 (Johnson), and again between 1992 and 2000 (Clinton). Contrast that with the increases of 1980-83 (Reagan) and 2001-2009 (Bush 43).

The poverty rate in America has indeed remained stubbornly high in recent years. In 2013, it was 27.2% for African-Americans. In 2007, when President Obama decided to make a run for the White House, it was his intention to continue the work of LBJ and WJC in bringing the American dream to minority communities. Instead, he was forced by the near-collapse of the economy's financial sector to focus simply on preventing a worldwide Depression. The enactment of the ACA has delivered healthcare to many working class Americans, and his prudent management of the economy has fostered the creation of twelve million jobs, but income growth has been disappointing. Republicans continue to call for large cuts in federal spending on education and programs that work to alleviate poverty. That's why African-Americans will continue to vote for Democrats.

Here are a couple more reasons, from teabugger rallies:

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Your whole post is directly out of the Democrat Manual. It's also completely free of any real world knowledge. Simplistic, divisive and biased

Yer post is of course 100% worthless rhetoric and a big zero on any semblance of refutation.

So you right-wingers are now gonna line up and support the policies advocated by Malcolm X?
 
No, they do it with their eyes wide open.

>>The results speak for themselves.

Yes they do.

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Note the steep decline in African-American poverty between 1966 and 1970 (Johnson), and again between 1992 and 2000 (Clinton). Contrast that with the increases of 1980-83 (Reagan) and 2001-2009 (Bush 43).

The poverty rate in America has indeed remained stubbornly high in recent years. In 2013, it was 27.2% for African-Americans. In 2007, when President Obama decided to make a run for the White House, it was his intention to continue the work of LBJ and WJC in bringing the American dream to minority communities. Instead, he was forced by the near-collapse of the economy's financial sector to focus simply on preventing a worldwide Depression. The enactment of the ACA has delivered healthcare to many working class Americans, and his prudent management of the economy has fostered the creation of twelve million jobs, but income growth has been disappointing. Republicans continue to call for large cuts in federal spending on education and programs that work to alleviate poverty. That's why African-Americans will continue to vote for Democrats.

Here are a couple more reasons, from teabugger rallies:

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Yer post is of course 100% worthless rhetoric and a big zero on any semblance of refutation.
So you right-wingers are now gonna line up and support the policies advocated by Malcolm X?
Is your contention that there are some racists out there? Of COURSE there are. No one would deny that. Is your contention some politicians are racist? Again...

Of course...

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Byrd and the democrats never changed their stripes. They just found a more effective way to **** them over and keep them on the plantation.
 
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