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Detroit: Who is to blame?

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As we all know, the bunghole of America has been spewing all over Windsor. Detroit is currently bankrupt, destroyed, and looking worse than Saddam in the Hague. So many issues and they're so hard to solve, may as well look for a scapegoat. To my beliefs, there is many reasons as to why the Pistons are bad. First is my party, socialism. When we gave them welfare, insurance, and other things they used it corruptively. They burnt houses to receive money, they sat on their backs while the government payed them to do that, and so then they became lazy. Houses started to become run-down and people, literally, got also. Sadly, this is so prevalent in all the predominantly black communities in the U.S. The second reason is capitalism. Capitalism is pretty much another word for mass business. With business, jobs are created. When jobs are created, people make money. When people make money, they can do whatever they want. The huge employers in Detroit, the car businesses, started moving out. Obama saved them from leaving, but it was futile. People lost jobs and couldn't make money. They resorted to government-offered payment plans. Some resorted to stealing and killing. Why did they leave? Simply because business wasn't too good there. There was no way for anyone to save the businesses from leaving. It simply collapsed from the inside out.

We can equate the suffrage to both of these political systems, but if we don't find a solution soon, Detroit will start looking like Dhaka.

How do you guys think Detroit should be saved?
 
Evacuate and nuke the site from orbit.
 
There is no singular reason for its failure, but rather a perfect storm of reasons. I think the biggest factors though are debt, unions, public pensions, and corrupt leaders.

10 reasons for Detroit's historic failures « Watchdog.org

There's no magical way to "save" Detroit. It's already lost. The best thing for it would be to allow it to recycle. Give a lot of property back to the Earth, eventually do some reevaluating and new planning and rezoning, and be patient. The place will eventually reinvent itself. In the grand scheme of things, just as cities grow up out of nowhere, they die and again become nowhere. As a former Michigander, it's not that sad to me that the city failed. What's sad is that people cling to some hope that it can succeed if we just employ more of the same failed liberal and pro-union strategies and ideas.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
There is no singular reason for its failure, but rather a perfect storm of reasons. I think the biggest factors though are debt, unions, public pensions, and corrupt leaders.

10 reasons for Detroit's historic failures « Watchdog.org
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I think you are right. Especially corrupt leaders. Then there was the spending and more spending and more spending. One has to wonder if our leaders penchant for spending in Washington is going to cause the United States to look like Detroit in the future. But Washington can do something Detroit couldn't, print money.

Then I wonder how many more cities are staring at the possibility of becoming another Detroit. Where people once they get enough money and can move out of the city do so. Thus leaving only the poor behind or those who can't afford to move out. Perhaps Detroit is just the first major city of many to come.
 
Perotista said:
I think you are right. Especially corrupt leaders. Then there was the spending and more spending and more spending. One has to wonder if our leaders penchant for spending in Washington is going to cause the United States to look like Detroit in the future. But Washington can do something Detroit couldn't, print money.
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The U.S. is also a country with a very robust economy, that is kind of a big thing too.
 
It is a city spread over a large area that was built around one industry. As the American auto industry lost marketshare to Japan, Europe, and later Korea, and as mechanization lead to higher manufacturing productivity levels, there were layoffs, peopled moved away, and the the city depopulated. Its pretty much that simple. Corruption is certainly a problem as well, but with a strong local economy you can ignore a lot of public sector corruption. This notion that Detroit is all the fault of Democrats is crap. Practically all major cites are ran by Democrats. Some are booming, some are not doing so well. Besides, there isn't that much of a difference between the two parties at the local level anyway.

If we all of a sudden found a ton of oil just outside of Detroit, in 20 years it would be another Houston.
 
50yrs of liberal democrat control, that's whats happened to Detroit. Plus a big heaping of running whitey out town starting with Mayor Coleman Young.

I could take anyone to places down there outside of Hart Plaza area and drop you off, and you would be lucky to make it out alive.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
It is a city spread over a large area that was built around one industry. As the American auto industry lost marketshare to Japan, Europe, and later Korea, and as mechanization lead to higher manufacturing productivity levels, there were layoffs, peopled moved away, and the the city depopulated. Its pretty much that simple. Corruption is certainly a problem as well, but with a strong local economy you can ignore a lot of public sector corruption. This notion that Detroit is all the fault of Democrats is crap. Practically all major cites are ran by Democrats. Some are booming, some are not doing so well. Besides, there isn't that much of a difference between the two parties at the local level anyway.

If we all of a sudden found a ton of oil just outside of Detroit, in 20 years it would be another Houston.
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Ha! That's funny
 
Gringo allstar said:
50yrs of liberal democrat control, that's whats happened to Detroit. Plus a big heaping of running whitey out town starting with Mayor Coleman Young.

I could take anyone to places down there outside of Hart Plaza area and drop you off, and you would be lucky to make it out alive.
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Ah yes, the ONLY problem in Detroit was "liberal Democrat control." Which explains why every single city in the country that has been run by Democrats has gone bankrupt. :roll:

I'm sure the decline of the U.S. auto industry, rampant corruption (which is not limited to liberal Democrats, despite numerous asinine assertions to the contrary), serious depopulation that led to massive revenue shortfalls, state budget cuts and bad investments had nothing to do with it.


Gringo allstar said:
Ha! That's funny
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Sweet rebuttal, bruh.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Ha! That's funny
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Right, so why is Minneapolis such a success then? Why is Denver such a boomtown then? Why is Austin a boomtown? Why is Houston booming? They are all ran by Democrats. Why is Mississippi like a third world country despite the fact its ran by Republicans?

There are corrupt Democrats and corrupt Republicans. At the local level there is not much difference between having a Republican mayor or a Democrat one because local issues require pragmatism over ideology. Any city built around one industry is bound to fail sooner or later. Detroits problem is that its a rust belt town that was built around one industry, the industry declined and anyone with the means to move out did. Corruption is just the result of decades of economic decline.
 
Kobie said:
Ah yes, the ONLY problem in Detroit was "liberal Democrat control." Which explains why every single city in the country that has been run by Democrats has gone bankrupt. :roll:

I'm sure the decline of the U.S. auto industry, rampant corruption (which is not limited to liberal Democrats, despite numerous asinine assertions to the contrary), serious depopulation that led to massive revenue shortfalls, state budget cuts and bad investments had nothing to do with it.
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Right, so why is Minneapolis such a success then? Why is Denver such a boomtown then? Why is Austin a boomtown? Why is Houston booming? They are all ran by Democrats. Why is Mississippi like a third world country despite the fact its ran by Republicans?

There are corrupt Democrats and corrupt Republicans. At the local level there is not much difference between having a Republican mayor or a Democrat one because local issues require pragmatism over ideology. Any city built around one industry is bound to fail sooner or later. Detroits problem is that its a rust belt town that was built around one industry, the industry declined and anyone with the means to move out did. Corruption is just the result of decades of economic decline.
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The role of unions, public pensions and unreasonably expensive benefits in the demise of Detroit was integral, and these were most strongly supported by liberal Democrats. There's no getting around that one. They are not the only factor, as there are unions and public pensions in basically every other city, but the city could have reinvented itself sooner had it not been so in love with unions and entitlement to benefit packages the city could not support. Republicans were less supportive of the union mentality with which Detroit was overrun for generations, but they were never elected. The voters never turned against the unions or the Democrats they bought and installed, never attacked the pension promises or benefit packages, or any other thing. They brought it upon themselves.
 
Kobie said:
Ah yes, the ONLY problem in Detroit was "liberal Democrat control." Which explains why every single city in the country that has been run by Democrats has gone bankrupt. :roll:

I'm sure the decline of the U.S. auto industry, rampant corruption (which is not limited to liberal Democrats, despite numerous asinine assertions to the contrary), serious depopulation that led to massive revenue shortfalls, state budget cuts and bad investments had nothing to do with it.




Sweet rebuttal, bruh.
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You're right it must have been my imagination that the city I've spent my whole life living in and around was run by liberal democrats. You're such a genius.
 
Gringo allstar said:
You're right it must have been my imagination that the city I've spent my whole life living in and around was run by liberal democrats. You're such a genius.
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I don't think you could have missed the point more if you tried. For all I know, you DID try.

My point isn't that Detroit wasn't run by Democrats. My point is that other factors besides the letter after the politicians' names entered into the equation. I know hacks will deny that, but that's why they're hacks.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Right, so why is Minneapolis such a success then? Why is Denver such a boomtown then? Why is Austin a boomtown? Why is Houston booming? They are all ran by Democrats. Why is Mississippi like a third world country despite the fact its ran by Republicans?

There are corrupt Democrats and corrupt Republicans. At the local level there is not much difference between having a Republican mayor or a Democrat one because local issues require pragmatism over ideology. Any city built around one industry is bound to fail sooner or later. Detroits problem is that its a rust belt town that was built around one industry, the industry declined and anyone with the means to move out did. Corruption is just the result of decades of economic decline.
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I had no idea that there was corruption in the Republican AND the Democrat party? Wow thanks for the insight. So all the corruption and mismanagement is because of the auto industry being in decline? Yet the industry is actually doing really well right now and I know many people in the industry with good paying jobs who getting out as fast as they can.. Why is that?? Because they are sick of the crime/corruption and mismanagement. If you live in the city you are lucky to get a police officer to show up within an hour of calling 911.
 
Gringo allstar said:
I had no idea that there was corruption in the Republican AND the Democrat party? Wow thanks for the insight. So all the corruption and mismanagement is because of the auto industry being in decline? Yet the industry is actually doing really well right now and I know many people in the industry with good paying jobs who getting out as fast as they can.. Why is that?? Because they are sick of the crime/corruption and mismanagement. If you live in the city you are lucky to get a police officer to show up within an hour of calling 911.
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Its a chicken and egg problem. The city has been declining for decades now. Its declining because the the auto industry there doesn't employ nearly as many people as it once did. They can talk about reinventing the city all they want, but no way is an IT professional going to give up a job in North Carolina, Austin, or the Bay Area to live in Detroit. As to the corruption, have you ever known a sh**hole that wasn't a hotbed of corruption and incompetence? I doubt our nation's best and brightest are looking to run a city like Detroit.

The Onion called it 8 years ago: Detroit Sold For Scrap | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
 
Free market, NAFTA, trickle down economics, and neoliberalism. Its not only destroying Detroit, it destroyed American manufacturing as a whole.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Free market, NAFTA, trickle down economics, and neoliberalism. Its not only destroying Detroit, it destroyed American manufacturing as a whole.
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On the topic of Detroit, this is pure denial. The primary contributory factors pointed to by any objective comprehensive analysis are excessive debt, union anti-competitiveness, public pensions, and corrupt leadership.
 
Niko said:
As we all know, the bunghole of America has been spewing all over Windsor. Detroit is currently bankrupt, destroyed, and looking worse than Saddam in the Hague. So many issues and they're so hard to solve, may as well look for a scapegoat. To my beliefs, there is many reasons as to why the Pistons are bad. First is my party, socialism. When we gave them welfare, insurance, and other things they used it corruptively. They burnt houses to receive money, they sat on their backs while the government payed them to do that, and so then they became lazy. Houses started to become run-down and people, literally, got also. Sadly, this is so prevalent in all the predominantly black communities in the U.S. The second reason is capitalism. Capitalism is pretty much another word for mass business. With business, jobs are created. When jobs are created, people make money. When people make money, they can do whatever they want. The huge employers in Detroit, the car businesses, started moving out. Obama saved them from leaving, but it was futile. People lost jobs and couldn't make money. They resorted to government-offered payment plans. Some resorted to stealing and killing. Why did they leave? Simply because business wasn't too good there. There was no way for anyone to save the businesses from leaving. It simply collapsed from the inside out.

We can equate the suffrage to both of these political systems, but if we don't find a solution soon, Detroit will start looking like Dhaka.

How do you guys think Detroit should be saved?
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Personally I think:

Abolish the minimum wage- allowing the overwhelmingly low skilled populous to enter the labor market and gain experience.

Give the people with creative minds the ability to open a business and work for themselves without having to hire lawyers and accountants no start up can afford, by repealing all non OSHA regulations.

End the war on drugs- Al Capone would not have been the killer violent degenerate he was today because his product is sold on a market with competitors and disputes are not dealt with via shootings. The incarceration of their citizens raises the cost of labor, lowers productivity, increases crime, and takes parents away from their kids who become criminals.
 
Keithknight13 said:
Personally I think:

Abolish the minimum wage- allowing the overwhelmingly low skilled populous to enter the labor market and gain experience.

Give the people with creative minds the ability to open a business and work for themselves without having to hire lawyers and accountants no start up can afford, by repealing all non OSHA regulations.

End the war on drugs- Al Capone would not have been the killer violent degenerate he was today because his product is sold on a market with competitors and disputes are not dealt with via shootings. The incarceration of their citizens raises the cost of labor, lowers productivity, increases crime, and takes parents away from their kids who become criminals.
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Jesus, " end the war on drugs " ??

Wow...
 
Fenton said:
Jesus, " end the war on drugs " ??

Wow...
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You saying a hippie's name, then quoting me, them saying wow, is a pathetic attempt to belittle a position without actually addressing it. Either rebut the claim, or keep scrolling Conservative Ignoramus.
 
Neomalthusian said:
On the topic of Detroit, this is pure denial. The primary contributory factors pointed to by any objective comprehensive analysis are excessive debt, union anti-competitiveness, public pensions, and corrupt leadership.
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In other words, your "objective comprehensive analysis" is "the leftists, the leftists, the leftists, the leftists."

:rolleyes:
 
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