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    Americans Want Less Spending, More Independents in Congress in 2014

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    Three-quarters of Americans disapprove of the job Congress is doing and 57 percent say the country is headed in the wrong direction. With so much dissatisfaction, the new Reason-Rupe poll finds 38 percent of Americans would like to see more independent and third-party candidates win congressional seats in the 2014 midterms, 31 percent prefer more Democrats and 23 percent of Americans would like more Republicans elected next year.

    No matter who is elected to Congress, Reason-Rupe finds 54 percent of Americans want the federal government to spend less money next year, 23 percent favor spending the same amount as this year and 16 percent would like to increase federal spending next year.

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    Americans Want Less Spending, More Independents in Congress in 2014 - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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    Re: Americans Want Less Spending, More Independents in Congress in 2014

    My goodness! Reason.com found a poll to support the exact platform that they endorse! Say it ain't so!

    Seriously, what are we supposed to debate here? Most everyone wants less partisanship and less wasteful spending. How about we stop electing people whose sole platform is "stop the other side", and stop electing people who want to give big tax breaks and subsidies to big corporations and support war? That will accomplish a lot of those goals. How about we put federal money into better preventative care, rather than curative, and save a lot of money on medicare, since we'll all actually be healthier? It's easy to support slogans, but when it comes to actually doing the things necessary, Americans tend to fold pretty quickly.
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    Re: Americans Want Less Spending, More Independents in Congress in 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    My goodness! Reason.com found a poll to support the exact platform that they endorse! Say it ain't so!

    Seriously, what are we supposed to debate here? Most everyone wants less partisanship and less wasteful spending. How about we stop electing people whose sole platform is "stop the other side", and stop electing people who want to give big tax breaks and subsidies to big corporations and support war? That will accomplish a lot of those goals. How about we put federal money into better preventative care, rather than curative, and save a lot of money on medicare, since we'll all actually be healthier? It's easy to support slogans, but when it comes to actually doing the things necessary, Americans tend to fold pretty quickly.
    Exactly!! An anonymous poll is one thing, stick that person in a voting booth, staring at names they don't really know, and they are going to vote down party lines, just as they always do. Polls have been saying American's want more independent candidates for years, and yet traction for them rarely gets any further then your poll.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Americans Want Less Spending, More Independents in Congress in 2014

    I think the key point here is that Americans are starting to realize that voting for the two party one agenda system no longer works.
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    Re: Americans Want Less Spending, More Independents in Congress in 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    I think the key point here is that Americans are starting to realize that voting for the two party one agenda system no longer works.
    Good. If only they realized that a century ago. How about we try to adopt instant runoff voting so that it's much easier to support third parties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Good. If only they realized that a century ago. How about we try to adopt instant runoff voting so that it's much easier to support third parties?
    The best way to give third parties a chance would be to stop the media from posting election polls. All elections should be done blind.

    That and give all candidates equal time.
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    The best way to give third parties a chance would be to stop the media from posting election polls. All elections should be done blind.

    That and give all candidates equal time.
    So, crippling the press is the best way? You think people would stop primarily voting for first party candidates merely because they don't know that everyone else plans to? And you think that people will just forget each new election that the main parties got most of the votes last time?

    And all candidates? Even Vermin Supreme? How about Stephen Colbert? All candidates means equal time for every single person who declares that they are running.

    How are these changes better than instant runoff voting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, crippling the press is the best way? You think people would stop primarily voting for first party candidates merely because they don't know that everyone else plans to? And you think that people will just forget each new election that the main parties got most of the votes last time?

    And all candidates? Even Vermin Supreme? How about Stephen Colbert? All candidates means equal time for every single person who declares that they are running.

    How are these changes better than instant runoff voting?
    People vote for who ever is winning not who is best for the country and the media putting out results like it does is the reason why voting for anyone other than the two candidates they have vetted is just throwing your vote away. As long as it is done this way there will never be a break from the two party, one agenda system.

    Yes all candidates, they all got the signatures needed to run did they not? If the pool is too large up the signature requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    People vote for who ever is winning not who is best for the country and the media putting out results like it does is the reason why voting for anyone other than the two candidates they have vetted is just throwing your vote away. As long as it is done this way there will never be a break from the two party, one agenda system.

    Yes all candidates, they all got the signatures needed to run did they not? If the pool is too large up the signature requirements.
    Okay, so all candidates that can appear on the ballot. That might be doable.

    I think you are grossly mistaken with the notion that "people just vote for whoever is winning." If people think that an election is a done deal, they tend to either stay home or vote third party in protest. It is the ability to vote for other candidates without the fear of harming the major candidate that is closer to your position that will serve to get people to vote third party. In a race between a centrist Democrat that only kinda supports things I want and a hardline Tea Partier, even if there is a perfect socialist candidate, I risk the Tea Partier winning if I don't support the Democrat. No part of that decision has anything to do with who I think is winning, but rather if it seems close. Now, why should I be denied that information? I would be making a less informed decision and hurting my own political interests. The result of this blindness is that those who are more willing to deviate from the main candidates will be punished and the hardline partisans who wouldn't ever consider deviating will get their way even more. Having to blindly guess whether or not voting for your preferred third party will help the other first party candidate only harms those who would want to vote third party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Okay, so all candidates that can appear on the ballot. That might be doable.

    I think you are grossly mistaken with the notion that "people just vote for whoever is winning." If people think that an election is a done deal, they tend to either stay home or vote third party in protest. It is the ability to vote for other candidates without the fear of harming the major candidate that is closer to your position that will serve to get people to vote third party. In a race between a centrist Democrat that only kinda supports things I want and a hardline Tea Partier, even if there is a perfect socialist candidate, I risk the Tea Partier winning if I don't support the Democrat. No part of that decision has anything to do with who I think is winning, but rather if it seems close. Now, why should I be denied that information? I would be making a less informed decision and hurting my own political interests. The result of this blindness is that those who are more willing to deviate from the main candidates will be punished and the hardline partisans who wouldn't ever consider deviating will get their way even more. Having to blindly guess whether or not voting for your preferred third party will help the other first party candidate only harms those who would want to vote third party.
    I get what your saying, what I am trying to do is get people to vote for who they believe is the best person for the job rather than using their vote to ensure the lesser of two evils gets elected and a blind vote is the only real way to do that.
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