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Taking bets! Feds vs States

Joe Steel said:
No.
The People are sovereign.
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Apparently you missed the part where I said:
These issue here is state v federal sovereignty (see: thread title)
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As has been proven, the states are sovereign.

But please, continue to be a "slippery spinner", doing whatever you can to (yet again) avoid having to admit that you are wrong.
 
Goobieman said:
Apparently you missed the part where I said:

As has been proven, the states are sovereign.

But please, continue to be a "slippery spinner", doing whatever you can to (yet again) avoid having to admit that you are wrong.
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No, the People are sovereign. The United States and the States are their creatures and to their bidding.
 
Joe Steel said:
No, the People are sovereign. The United States and the States are their creatures and to their bidding.
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But please, continue to be a "slippery spinner", doing whatever you can to (yet again) avoid having to admit that you are wrong.
 
Joe Steel said:
No, the People are sovereign. The United States and the States are their creatures and to their bidding.
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Fine, but it is still the state legislatures that would pursue a course to annull the Constitution, even if it was at the behest of the people.
 
wbreese91 said:
Fine, but it is still the state legislatures that would pursue a course to annull the Constitution, even if it was at the behest of the people.
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That's right. While I think the idea is bizarre, that's the way it would be. The People of the several States, probably over the course of a few election cycles, would choose legislatures which favored annulment. The legislatures would petition Congress for a convention to propose amendments, including the annulment amendment.

However, the States really just would be middlemen. The People, if they really wanted to dissolve the United States, could just elect a Congress which could create its own Amendment. There's no need to get the States involved, except, of course, for ratification.
 
Joe Steel said:
There's no need to get the States involved, except, of course, for ratification.
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Why are you still pushing this? This is what you're arguing about, and you admit that the states have power.
 
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