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Audit the Fed

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Now, I know every time someone tends to mention Ron Paul around here there are a group of people who will simply dismiss him out of hand whether the ideas are good or not. Sometimes, people forget that Ron Paul is, after all, a knowledgeable and competent congressman (a rarity indeed), a published author, a graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine, and a former flight surgeon in the Air Force, so it strikes me as odd when people flippantly refer to him as "crazy" or summarily ignore the substance of his arguments.

Yes, we all understand that Ron Paul looks and sounds kind of awkward which means he can never be President (an excellent criteria to have for elected officials), but he is extremely well-versed in matters of government and has a disproportionately large amount of accurate predictions when compared to our government (they have zero). So, keeping this in mind, let us discuss the merits of his latest bill: The Federal Reserve Transparency Act.

Paul says:

Since its inception, the Federal Reserve has always operated in the shadows, without sufficient scrutiny or oversight of its operations.

...

The Federal Reserve has, on the one hand, many of the privileges of government agencies, while retaining benefits of private organizations, such as being insulated from Freedom of Information Act requests.

The Federal Reserve can enter into agreements with foreign central banks and foreign governments, and the GAO is prohibited from auditing or even seeing these agreements.


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The Fed’s funding facilities and its agreements with the Treasury should be reviewed. The Treasury’s supplementary financing accounts that fund Fed facilities allow the Treasury to funnel money to Wall Street without GAO or Congressional oversight. Additional funding facilities, such as the Primary Dealer Credit Facility and the Term Securities Lending Facility, allow the Fed to keep financial asset prices artificially inflated and subsidize poorly performing financial firms [1].

From the bill:

(A) REQUIRED- A report on the audit shall be submitted by the Comptroller General to the Congress before the end of the 90-day period beginning on the date on which such audit is completed and made available to the Speaker of the House, the majority and minority leaders of the House of Representatives, the majority and minority leaders of the Senate, the Chairman and Ranking Member of the committee and each subcommittee of jurisdiction in the House of Representatives and the Senate, and any other Member of Congress who requests it.

(B) CONTENTS- The report shall include a detailed description of the findings and conclusion of the Comptroller General with respect to the audit that is the subject of the report, together with such recommendations for legislative or administrative action as the Comptroller General may determine to be appropriate [2].


This bill represents accountability and transparency in government; our country is dire need of both. Currently, the bill is in committee and has a good chance of getting through - a vocal and insistent populace can ensure that it does. So, instead of just standing around and talking about "change" in government let's actually do something to that effect. Contact the members of the House Committee on Financial Services along with your representative and demand that they bring accountability to our financial system.

[1] - Audit the Federal Reserve (HR 1207) | Ron Paul .com

[2] - GovTrack: H.R. 1207: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House

Contact Elected Officials: USA.gov
 
You can be both smart, and mad as a hatter.
 
You can be both smart, and mad as a hatter.

More substanceless ad hominem. America asked for change, Ron Paul is taking up your offer; all you need to do is write a letter or make a phone call.
 
Now, I know every time someone tends to mention Ron Paul around here there are a group of people who will simply dismiss him out of hand whether the ideas are good or not. Sometimes, people forget that Ron Paul is, after all, a knowledgeable and competent congressman (a rarity indeed), a published author, a graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine, and a former flight surgeon in the Air Force, so it strikes me as odd when people flippantly refer to him as "crazy" or summarily ignore the substance of his arguments.

Yes, we all understand that Ron Paul looks and sounds kind of awkward which means he can never be President (an excellent criteria to have for elected officials), but he is extremely well-versed in matters of government and has a disproportionately large amount of accurate predictions when compared to our government (they have zero). So, keeping this in mind, let us discuss the merits of his latest bill: The Federal Reserve Transparency Act.

Paul says:

Since its inception, the Federal Reserve has always operated in the shadows, without sufficient scrutiny or oversight of its operations.

...

The Federal Reserve has, on the one hand, many of the privileges of government agencies, while retaining benefits of private organizations, such as being insulated from Freedom of Information Act requests.

The Federal Reserve can enter into agreements with foreign central banks and foreign governments, and the GAO is prohibited from auditing or even seeing these agreements.


...

The Fed’s funding facilities and its agreements with the Treasury should be reviewed. The Treasury’s supplementary financing accounts that fund Fed facilities allow the Treasury to funnel money to Wall Street without GAO or Congressional oversight. Additional funding facilities, such as the Primary Dealer Credit Facility and the Term Securities Lending Facility, allow the Fed to keep financial asset prices artificially inflated and subsidize poorly performing financial firms [1].

From the bill:

(A) REQUIRED- A report on the audit shall be submitted by the Comptroller General to the Congress before the end of the 90-day period beginning on the date on which such audit is completed and made available to the Speaker of the House, the majority and minority leaders of the House of Representatives, the majority and minority leaders of the Senate, the Chairman and Ranking Member of the committee and each subcommittee of jurisdiction in the House of Representatives and the Senate, and any other Member of Congress who requests it.

(B) CONTENTS- The report shall include a detailed description of the findings and conclusion of the Comptroller General with respect to the audit that is the subject of the report, together with such recommendations for legislative or administrative action as the Comptroller General may determine to be appropriate [2].


This bill represents accountability and transparency in government; our country is dire need of both. Currently, the bill is in committee and has a good chance of getting through - a vocal and insistent populace can ensure that it does. So, instead of just standing around and talking about "change" in government let's actually do something to that effect. Contact the members of the House Committee on Financial Services along with your representative and demand that they bring accountability to our financial system.

[1] - Audit the Federal Reserve (HR 1207) | Ron Paul .com

[2] - GovTrack: H.R. 1207: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House

Contact Elected Officials: USA.gov

Yay! Audit the corrupt fed!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8"]YouTube - Is Anyone Minding the Store at the Federal Reserve?[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1FN91dwmA"]YouTube - Ron Paul Questions Ben Bernanke - 5/5/2009[/ame]
 
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One word against all who go against the almighty glory of the great Rue Paul... I mean Ron Paul. The propaganda is strong in the powers against Ron Paul.

Oh ya the one word. Propaganda.
 
Curious. Why isn't anyone discussing this? If this bill passes it will represent a fundamental change to our entire financial system and government. It has more far-reaching consequences than any policy decision being made right now, yet it hasn't garnered much attention from anyone. I just find it strange.
 
I'm not an econ genius by any stretch of the imagination, but it bothers me that there hasn't been an audit of the federal reserve in the first place. I just kind of assumed they did( I know I know, the acronym for assume).

Ethreal, do you think it will pass?
 
I'm not an econ genius by any stretch of the imagination, but it bothers me that there hasn't been an audit of the federal reserve in the first place. I just kind of assumed they did( I know I know, the acronym for assume).

As it stands, the Federal Reserve is self-regulating and self-policing. It has internal checks and balances but this is hardly re-assuring, especially when one considers the kind of power they wield in regards to setting monetary policy.

Ethreal, do you think it will pass?

Currently, the bill is up for review by the House Committee on Financial Services. It stands a very good chance of making it to the floor of the House where it will be debated and voted upon. Theoretically speaking, the bill has 176 votes (Ron Paul and his 175 co-sponsors) but a simple majority (218-House, 26-Senate) is needed for it to reach the President's desk. The Senate version of the bill has yet to garner any co-sponsors but I'm sure that will change once sufficient discussion has occurred within the House.

Personally, I feel the bill has a moderate chance of being enacted into law. In order for this to happen the American people would need to become sufficiently engaged within the process itself. President Obama would most likely veto the bill in the absence of popular pressure because he has no intention of bringing accountability or transparency to Washington. Americans need to appreciate the importance of monetary policy and they need to become increasingly vocal if this bill is to pass.
 
President Obama would most likely veto the bill in the absence of popular pressure because he has no intention of bringing accountability or transparency to Washington. .

Obama would veto because it is not in the best interest in the private owners of the federal reserve. Priority #1 is to look out for them. Look how he used his honeymoon time. Ramrodding payouts for banks.
 
As it stands, the Federal Reserve is self-regulating and self-policing. It has internal checks and balances but this is hardly re-assuring, especially when one considers the kind of power they wield in regards to setting monetary policy.



Currently, the bill is up for review by the House Committee on Financial Services. It stands a very good chance of making it to the floor of the House where it will be debated and voted upon. Theoretically speaking, the bill has 176 votes (Ron Paul and his 175 co-sponsors) but a simple majority (218-House, 26-Senate) is needed for it to reach the President's desk. The Senate version of the bill has yet to garner any co-sponsors but I'm sure that will change once sufficient discussion has occurred within the House.

Personally, I feel the bill has a moderate chance of being enacted into law. In order for this to happen the American people would need to become sufficiently engaged within the process itself. President Obama would most likely veto the bill in the absence of popular pressure because he has no intention of bringing accountability or transparency to Washington. Americans need to appreciate the importance of monetary policy and they need to become increasingly vocal if this bill is to pass.
That ain't gonna happen. Reruns of Idol, Dancing w/the Stars, etc, etc are about to begin and good citizens of the US will be too busy to worry about a little thing like this.


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Curious. Why isn't anyone discussing this? If this bill passes it will represent a fundamental change to our entire financial system and government. It has more far-reaching consequences than any policy decision being made right now, yet it hasn't garnered much attention from anyone. I just find it strange.

Because this:

Currently, the bill is in committee and has a good chance of getting through

Is completely untrue.

Furthermore, I don't see how it would have any actual consequences even if it were to pass. It requests an "audit" without actually explaining what it seeks to include. The entire bill is two damn paragraphs. They would do an "audit," and that would be that.
 
Because this:

Is completely untrue.

In the last two days his bill has obtained four new co-sponsors; up from 175 to 179. If the American people can place more pressure on the Congress, this bill has a good chance of making it out of committee.

Furthermore, I don't see how it would have any actual consequences even if it were to pass. It requests an "audit" without actually explaining what it seeks to include. The entire bill is two damn paragraphs. They would do an "audit," and that would be that.

We can't conceivably fix something if we don't know what's broken - the audit will help us understand what needs fixing, if indeed there is anything which needs to be fixed. We are talking about trillions of dollars that are unaccounted for. I'd like to know what's happening to it, wouldn't you?
 
In the last two days his bill has obtained four new co-sponsors; up from 175 to 179. If the American people can place more pressure on the Congress, this bill has a good chance of making it out of committee.

Nothing is making it through the House, much less the Senate, unless it's on Obama's priority list. This is not.

We can't conceivably fix something if we don't know what's broken - the audit will help us understand what needs fixing, if indeed there is anything which needs to be fixed. We are talking about trillions of dollars that are unaccounted for. I'd like to know what's happening to it, wouldn't you?

Explain exactly how trillions of dollars are unaccounted for.
 
Nothing is making it through the House, much less the Senate, unless it's on Obama's priority list. This is not.

I see your point. I think a vocal and insistent populace could change this, but monetary policy puts most Americans to sleep so I suppose I'll retract my earlier statement.

Explain exactly how trillions of dollars are unaccounted for.

The Federal Reserve controls monetary policy. They can create trillions of dollars (using open market operations) without telling anyone and they transact with foreign banking institutions with zero oversight. The Fed wields unparalleled power within our government and they are beholden only to themselves. An institution which basically controls our economy should not exist independent of government oversight.
 
The Federal Reserve controls monetary policy. They can create trillions of dollars (using open market operations) without telling anyone and they transact with foreign banking institutions with zero oversight. The Fed wields unparalleled power within our government and they are beholden only to themselves. An institution which basically controls our economy should not exist independent of government oversight.

Originally, I believe the purpose behind this lack of oversight was to secure an independence from US politics. I mean, the whole thinking behind the 14 year term is because they wanted the Board of Governors to last longer than the president so that the decision making power isn't affected by the change in power in the Presidency in every election.

What are you thoughts on this?
 
Originally, I believe the purpose behind this lack of oversight was to secure an independence from US politics. I mean, the whole thinking behind the 14 year term is because they wanted the Board of Governors to last longer than the president so that the decision making power is affected by the change in power in the Presidency.

What are you thoughts on this?

I do not believe the Fed should exist in its current form so the justifications for said existence are not particularly important to me. The Federal Reserve is arguably the most powerful domestic institution in the world; it must be subject to Congressional oversight.
 
I do not believe the Fed should exist in its current form so the justifications for said existence are not particularly important to me. The Federal Reserve is arguably the most powerful domestic institution in the world; it must be subject to Congressional oversight.

But with it comes the weaknesses of having it being under government control.

Every 2 years we may have a different congress. Every 4 years we may have a different president. This constant change, and therefore a likely change in policy, will be reflected in the health of the economy.

Economic plans that span over 10 years may not span over 10 years as planned. Economic stability will be hard to achieve if political influence is introduced. This is why I'm asking you.

You don't think politics will be crucial in ****ing up our economy? I mean, we hear both sides arguing the politics about how each side ****ed up the economy. Both sides are trying to implement their own ideology to "fix" the economy. But that fix is partisan driven.

This will be a problem, no?
 
The Federal Reserve controls monetary policy. They can create trillions of dollars (using open market operations) without telling anyone and they transact with foreign banking institutions with zero oversight. The Fed wields unparalleled power within our government and they are beholden only to themselves. An institution which basically controls our economy should not exist independent of government oversight.

Where are you getting the idea that the Fed exists independent of government oversight?

The Board of Governors is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The FOMC, which sets monetary policy, is controlled by the Board of Governors.

Congress created the Fed, defines its authority, and could abolish it tomorrow if it wished. The idea that the Fed is some "shadowy" institution is absurd.
 
The FED needs to go, period.
 
Anyone that gains some traction on this gets shot in the head anyway.


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John F. Kennedy
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The Federal Reserve
 
Anyone that gains some traction on this gets shot in the head anyway.


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John F. Kennedy
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The Federal Reserve

loooooooooooooool

Yea, the biggest enemy to the fed of all time was JFK. So dangerous, in fact, that they pulled off the biggest conspiracy of all time.

Please tell me you don't actually believe this crap.
 
loooooooooooooool

Yea, the biggest enemy to the fed of all time was JFK. So dangerous, in fact, that they pulled off the biggest conspiracy of all time.

Please tell me you don't actually believe this crap.

What is the purpose of paying the privately owned federal reserve interest when you have your own silver backed interest free notes?
 
What is the purpose of paying the privately owned federal reserve interest when you have your own silver backed interest free notes?

Who owns the Federal Reserve?

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

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The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

Yea, 6% yearly dividends on highly restricted stock are definitely worth killing the president over.

FRB: FAQs: Federal Reserve System
 
Where are you getting the idea that the Fed exists independent of government oversight?

Aside from being appointed by the government, the Federal Reserve exists largely outside its authority. It is under no legal obligation to subject their methods to outside scrutiny or modification. The Federal Reserve controls money with impunity. Don't you think American citizens should, at the very least, be allowed to scrutinize the government's monetary policy?

The Board of Governors is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The FOMC, which sets monetary policy, is controlled by the Board of Governors.

Congress created the Fed, defines its authority, and could abolish it tomorrow if it wished. The idea that the Fed is some "shadowy" institution is absurd.

Yes, there exists a legislative check, which some people are trying exercise, but our government, it seems, is not interested in subjecting monetary policy to public scrutiny.
 
Aside from being appointed by the government, the Federal Reserve exists largely outside its authority. It is under no legal obligation to subject their methods to outside scrutiny or modification. The Federal Reserve controls money with impunity. Don't you think American citizens should, at the very least, be allowed to scrutinize the government's monetary policy?

What makes you say that the Fed operates any more secretly than any other government institution? Do you know the inner details on how the CIA works? Homeland Security?

There's nothing stopping your congressman from making this information more accessible or from changing any of those rules. Don't blame the Fed for Congress's inaction.

Yes, there exists a legislative check, which some people are trying exercise, but our government, it seems, is not interested in subjecting monetary policy to public scrutiny.

The fact that Congress doesn't care enough to exercise that authority doesn't mean that it's part of some shadowy conspiracy to kill JFK and control the world.
 
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