argexpat

Do you believe President Bush has the power to spy on you without a warrant, imprison you indefinitely without access to due process, and subject you to "enhanced interrogation" techniques such as waterboarding?

If you answered yes, then you should rejoice, because that's exactly what President Bush has not only claimed, but actually exercised (see Yasser Esam Hamdi, Jose Padilla, Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri).

And if you answered yes, do you also believe a President Obama should have this power, or President Hillary, or President Kerry, or President Gore, or President Dukakis?

And if you answered yes, what would keep President Bush from spying on his political opponents, except his own retarded morality?

And if you answered yes, what is the difference between President Bush and every two-bit tin-pot dictator we denounce and claim moral superiority over?

And if you answered yes, how do you reconcile this with your supposed belief in "small government" and "freedom."

And if you answered yes, what's more important to you, your right to bear arms, or your right to due process, or your protection against illegal searches and seizures?

Because right now, the only thing protecting your civil liberties (remember those?) is your gun.

Watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do, when President Bush comes for you...

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Democrat4life

Its sad but true. But I believe in taking away the guns, it will help reduce the crime and murder rate.

DarkWizard12

Dear all democrats:

I am a republican(I only say this because my vote usually goes republican most of the time. I'm not afraid to vote democrat if I like him)

I classify myself VERY conservative.

and I answered no, no, no, no, no.

DeeJayH

too bad there is no poll

and you are a few years too late
he is out of office shortly
moving on is a healthy part of life
try it for once

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argexpat

That's your response, move on? You're right, an authoritarian jackass president claims dictatorial powers, breaks the law repeatedly, and violates your civil liberties and mine, and we should all just quit our belly aching and get over it, because the authoritarian jackass president is leaving office in a few months. Whew, I feel so much better now!

How about answering the question you conveniently avoided:

Do you believe the president should have the power to spy on you without a warrant, imprison you indefinitely without access to due process, and subject you to "enhanced interrogation" techniques such as waterboarding?

DeeJayH

might want to look at the fact that this silly thread has been up for a week
and nobody cares

moving on

argexpat

It's a silly thread, yet you took the time twice to respond to it. Why don't you humor my silly thread and answer the question, yes or no?

galenrox

There's more reason to believe in Santa Claus.

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bhkad

Yes, he has the power. And he has the right. And he does so with a majority of America's approval. Unfortunately, John McCain doesn't believe in enhanced interrogation. But, on the bright side, both McCain AND Obama both approve of the need for the government to be able to listen to terrorist exchanges.

My advice to you? Don't talk to terrorists.

I don't believe there should be a President Barack Obama. But if there is one, I do believe he should have this power. (And it's not that HE would have this power, really, but as you are propagandizing in big broad strokes I will not quibble too much.)

But, strangely, I WILL agree with you here on what is a very subtle point. I don't believe that Michael Dukakis should have had the power to engage in warrantless eavesdropping because at the time when he would have served as President there was no need for such tools. Islamism had not proven itself to be a direct threat to the United States in 1988. That changed in 1993 with the first World Trade Center attack. Ever since then we have had a need to know what bad guys are talking about in our country. Warrantless wiretaps were FINALLY made a well employed tool of law enforcement during the G.W. Bush administration when technology progressed to the point where the bad guys had the edge over the good guys. And make no mistake about it, the American people expect the Government to use the powers we give them to keep us safe from bad guys, as much as possible.

There was no need for this in 1988 when Dukakis ran for President. But the threat DID exist in 2000 when Gore ran and in 2004 when Kerry ran.

Including Hillary in the list was just your effort to impress us with your knowledge and preparation, right?

And I AM impressed! I'm impressed at how much you have studied American political history in order to try to blend in here. The average poster would not be able to list the past Democratic nominees as you have so nicely done. (I'm also wondering how well you might have prepared yourself in studying the Holy Bible in order to achieve immediate credibility in a discussion of Christianity.)

That's one of the things that makes recruitment and preparation to join the ranks of the internet vanguards against the USA such an exciting endeavor. The political climate is always changing. Bush has 6 months left in office. And only 100 days left before the election to determine who the NEXT president will be.

The only thing that would POSSIBLY cause Bush to continue on as President might be if the enemies of freedom were to plan a massive attack on the USA around the time of the election or afterwards. And if he HAD to stay on a little bit longer I can understand how his enemies might wish to continue building up the hatred toward him.

Do you know something we don't?

Should the FBI be reading this thread?

Bush is going to retire and a new President will be chosen on Nov. 4th. So, ease up on W. He has kept us safe and kept the enemies of freedom on the defensive and hurt them all over the world. He deserves our gratitude and admiration. If you love freedom you should thank him and include him in your prayers. No matter who you might pray to.

This.



He supports and defends the Constitution which allows freedom of expression. He has a sense of humor about himself which is endearing. And he is going to retire from public service in 6 months.

THAT is what separates him from tin-horned (you need to study your idioms more) dictators.

Oh, and one more thing, he kept the whole world from exploding into war while keeping the American people safe for 8 years. No one can deny that.
At least no knowledgeable person.

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. Lincoln and FDR, just to name two, also expanded their use of tools which are made available to the Commander in Chief during times of War because he NEEDS to maintain law, order and stability at home in order to successfully prosecute the war.

When elephants are in the wire some people start bitczing about pissants in the cupboard. Please grow a better sense of priorities.






Here's my advice for anyone who thinks your post has any merit.

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obvious Child

Unless it's black market guns.

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