Bodhisattva

Spying on the people is not in the Bill of Rights... they can pass any law that they want to in that regard, and we can exercise our power to change it back if need be. Democracy... maybe you should look into what it is all about.

Since we have due process:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Fifth Amendment



Any "law" or action to the contrary is expressly forbidden. It is up to the people to hound their elected officials if they want action taken. When there is an apathetic populace, then the leaders will do as they see fit, and if that violates law, then that is just how it goes...

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Jim Profit

I'm not a republican, but.. I like them a whole lot more then democrats, so why the hell not?

No. That is to say, I don't believe it's right. Buuuut, as long as it's not done to me.. I don't really care.. if it was done to a prochoicer I'd applaud and support the president/government. Ain't cause I think it's right, I know it isn't right. I just don't care and figure my enemy's enemy is my friend right?

Hurp-durp! You'd have to live under a rock not to know about the wiretappings and toture.. But to be fair, they even do it to eachother. Jesse Jackson bitched about it and writes how they tapped his phone in his book. I didn't read it, I simply saw him on Hannity&Colmes. I wouldn't buy a choicetard's book..

No, cause that increases the likelyhood they'd wiretap me! George Bush might spare me as I'm right-wing.. Obama not so much..

Nothing. Who says the government isn't working against itself? It would explain why it's so incompetent and messed up now wouldn't it? But hey, better they gnipping at eachother's hells then your's right?

Not a whole lot. You've got to know when to hold'em and now when to fold'em. Pick your battles I say.. As long as abortions banned and I can get my girlfriend to the states. I wouldn't care if we lived in a dictatorship or libertarian state.

Apathy.
Misanthropy.
Sadism.

I could be a libertarian, but still do the exact opposite because of how I emotionally handle the situation. Which is sortof how it is..

Right to due process. More then anything I've defended people's right to a fair trial. By judge, jury, and with a state provided lawyer if need be. Yes, even for babykilling prochoicers. It's one of my core values. If you can find it inbetween all the hatred and angst..

That's really ever the only thing dude. Noone is going to help you, noone gives a **** about you. That's why I became a libertarian-leaning indi in the first place.

Government was not going to provide for me.
People are inheritly selfish and stupid.
Santa Claus isn't real, so why would I just put a different name on him such as compassionate conservatism or democratic socialism?

"Don't kill me! I got a wife on the internet and two kids that are actually dogs!
Kill the prochoicer down the street instead!"

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LennyD

Jim

First I have to ask if everything is OK?

I did not quote it all, but that stuff was concerning.

Anyhow the idea is to be protecting what is most important, and as a country and people upholding the constitution and protecting all our or every American citizens rights should be of the utmost importance.

Saying you believe something not to be right, but allowing yourself to accept it through denial due to it not currently or previously happening to you is just well WRONG. If we do not stand up for what we know to be right, and continue to allow things to deteriorate as we have just what will we end up with, and will anyone be happy with it?

If we continue to allow our leaders no matter their party affiliation to continue to strip us of our liberties just what will we have in the end?

I really believe it is time to cut all the BS and for everyone who honestly loves and believes in this country and our freedoms to get off their lazy azzes and be a part of making it great again as it once was.

We have for way too long looked to others to take care of everything for us, and it seems for many this is a loss of desire to take of care of things for ones self, and this is a large part of our problems today and must change.

I also find it odd that someone who seemingly hates what you call "prochoicers" so much for basically taking away the rights or choice of the unborn to so willing allow his own choices and rights to be compromised.

I treasure my rights, and am willing to fight for them, and hope you do as well.

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TheForgiven

On the note of dont talk to terrorists i have to say dont vote for one either barack hussein obama is a terrorist and he will end our country. Guns are the only way for me to protect myself from his retarded rule if it occures so Please give me guns.

LennyD

You know there has been so much information on this whole connection with Islam fundamentalists and his causes for changing his name from Barry, and even the connections with friends from his time in school etc that really beg to be investigated.

I wish I had more information or answers on this, but it is looking only lots and lots of questions.

One thing I do know for sure is that those who are backing him seem not to care if there was a connection with Osama himself, and that really scares me.

Is there any truth to any of this thinking?

BmanMcfly

That is false. If you are against guns, would you be willing to put a sign on your front step : "We do not believe in gun ownership."??

In Sweden, there is a mandatory gun ownership for all citizens over the age of 21. And guess what, they also have the LOWEST crime rate.

Fact of the matter is, if you wanted to say rob a bank, and you knew that 15 of 20 potential hostages are going to be armed, would YOU rethink your plan??

Ready for a like minded a-hole to take his place... and will take full advantage of the laws that Bush took so long to get created.

A fair trial for the culprits, their familes, and their close affiliates. The assets seized and socialized to pay for their crimes, and a conviction by a jury of their peers.

Let's differentiate between public and private :
- In public, sidewalks, streets, government buildings, etc are all public places where your rights and freedoms should be guaranteed 100% . No EXCEPTIONS!!! The idea of 'Free speach' rights wasn't to guarantee popular speach; but rather to protect UNPOPULAR speech.

- An airport, highschool, university, bowling alley, coffee shop, etc is PRIVATE property. While this does not exempt these places from 'breaking laws'; it DOES allow them to decide on what level of freedom you're allowed. In an airport, it's the AIRPORTS responsibility to guarantee security of all passengers. Since they are liable they are allowed to take whatever security steps they deem fit...

This is really OVER-simplified, but is an important distinction on what, where and how the constitution protects us.

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Bonnie1988

That doesn't work anymore. Once Obama had the nomination secured, he reversed himself and voted for FISA. Other than ranting against rich CEOs, after voting to give rich CEOs $150 billion in tax exemptions and $700 billion in free money, Obama is exactly Bush. So is McCain. You lost this issue however you vote.

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Bonnie1988

Voidwar

You try to take MY guns and you will increase the murder rate. By one.

BmanMcfly

It's this attitude that is boosting gun and ammo sales in the US... in the face of a new president that has already announced his anti-gun plan.