Oklahoma Declares Soveriegnty? - Page 2

Democrat4life · 07-22-08, 06:26 PM

The government wouldnt allow a state to succeed, they would proably start another civil war. But we also have to note that the US is very connected, even among all the diversity. I think the Cherokees are trying to create a nation state within Oklahoma, or at least that what it sounds like.

=/ But I still dont know. I dont think it would happen anyway.

DeeJayH · 07-22-08, 06:39 PM

it is secede people

normally i ma not a grammar nazi, but two in a row
something had to be said

danarhea · 07-22-08, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeJayH

it is secede people

normally i ma not a grammar nazi, but two in a row
something had to be said

Actually, Oklahoma DID succeed in creating demand, based on Constitutional principles. I will give those who misspelled the word "secede" a break. Even though unintentional, it turns out that they were right about what happened.

Hatuey · 07-23-08, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

I don't think they are suceeding. I think they are just saying hey.. get off our back in response to something the feds did on Oklahoma's illegal alien issue or something. Bush wants the illegal aliens to stay and oklahoma doesn't or somfin. I think it has something to do with the Federal ID also.

How do you declare sovereignty without seceding?

Kernel Sanders · 07-23-08, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

How do you declare sovereignty without seceding?

From the bill

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A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and directing distribution.

They are not seceding, from the sound of things they are smacking the federal gov for overstepping their authority in some matter.

**EDIT**

Looks like it's immigration

Source [ Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me | WorldNetDaily]

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Oklahoma's immigration statute, known as the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007, originated as House Bill 1804 (co-authored, incidentally, by Key). It has been characterized by USA Today as "arguably the nation's toughest state law targeting illegal immigration."

The statute prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving tax-supported services and makes it a state crime to transport or harbor illegal immigrants. It also mandates that businesses take measures to verify the work eligibility of employees and independent contractors.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and individual chambers of commerce in Oklahoma challenged the latter mandates, set to go into effect July 1, in court.

On June 4th, U.S. District Judge Robin J. Cauthron issued an injunction against enforcing the July 1 mandates.

"We've just had a federal judge say that our immigration law's employer provisions are unconstitutional, claiming it as federal government territory," said Key in response. "That goes right to the issue of (Resolution 1089). The federal government doesn't have the right to have sole domain over that issue or many of the issues it has spilled over into."

dirtpoorchris · 09-17-08, 12:08 PM

YouTube - Lakota Nation Secedes Due to New World Order (Part 1)

YouTube - Lakota Nation Secedes Due to New World Order (Part 2)

I've never heard of this. If **** hits the fan. Lets all go Lokota.

American · 09-18-08, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Do most people in Oklahoma even know what sovereignty means? Did they not see what happened to 'The South'? They learned their lesson and it was like a bunch of states. Does Oklahoma not get that the North ain't putting up with this type of BS?

Does this scare you; you know it does. A state acting like a state, OMG....please say it ain't so. Wahahahahahaa! You condescending post is sickening to me.

American · 09-18-08, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

Only Texas can declare this. !!!!

That's a myth.

RightOfCenter · 09-18-08, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

I dunno. I cant find much other than this.

STATE OF OKLAHOMA
2nd Session of the 51st Legislature (2008)
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1089

By: Key
AS INTRODUCED

A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and directing distribution.

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows:

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and

WHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

WHEREAS, today, in 2008, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

WHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE OF THE 2ND SESSION OF THE 51ST OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

THAT this serves as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.

THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state’s legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation.

Oklahoma State House of Representatives - House Votes

http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/20...JR1089_int.rtf

This isn't secession. It is a demand, probably mostly ceremonial, that the Federal government stay out of Oklahoma's god damned business. It could be applied to education, roads, law enforcement etc. This isn't 1861 part deux.

RightOfCenter · 09-18-08, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by American

Does this scare you; you know it does. A state acting like a state, OMG....please say it ain't so. Wahahahahahaa! You condescending post is sickening to me.

I think it's more likely he misunderstood what the bill was actually for.

In the end it will come to nothing. If the Oklahoma decides to, say, lower the drinking age to 18 the federal government will just cut its highway funding.