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I agree with this video entirely, but since my nutty views are always the minority I wonder if anyone has any criticisms against the logic presented in this video.
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Lean: Centrist Gender:  | Re: The Philosophy of Liberty Let me start by asking to both of you:
1. Do you believe the U.S. is such an ethical society/government?
2. Do you have a reasonable amount of choice in being able to leave the U.S. and break all obligations to the society there?
3. If so, what are the philosophical implications relevant to the idealistic presentation that was made?
Less-related to the chain of questions above:
4. If your life is your present/future, are you willing to trade your
present/future for your ideals, or are your ideals lacking of they cannot preserve your present/future in reality? Which has primacy?
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Current Mood: | Re: The Philosophy of Liberty At 4:20, the video states that leaders cannot be imposed onto others who did not select them. Does this imply that the common political system of a majority vote is unethical?
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Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways At 4:20, the video states that leaders cannot be imposed onto others who did not select them. Does this imply that the common political system of a majority vote is unethical? | To Big "L" libertarians it is. Its why Big "L" libertarianism is nothing but a utopian notion. I cant thing of anywhere in the world where it has even it so much as been tried, much less succeeded.
That said, I do agree with the basic premises of the video.
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Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat To Big "L" libertarians it is. Its why Big "L" libertarianism is nothing but a utopian notion. I cant thing of anywhere in the world where it has even it so much as been tried, much less succeeded.
That said, I do agree with the basic premises of the video. | I thought Big L libertarianism are supposed to be against any utopia. Thats why they pretty much want anarchy; a lack of any utopia. |
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Current Mood: | Re: The Philosophy of Liberty Its a nice video but its of a world i dont recognize.Its like if everyone was a pacifist there would be too much of a human instinct for me to pick up a big stick and get my own way faster.Im more optimistic of the idea of world peace than most but a crimeless world noway.
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To Big "L" libertarians it is. Its why Big "L" libertarianism is nothing but a utopian notion. I cant thing of anywhere in the world where it has even it so much as been tried, much less succeeded.
| I'm not sure it's quite that simple. I believe what the video was driving at, given the context, is that so long as my actions do not infringe on your life, liberty, or justly aquired property, you have no business asking others to forcefully dictate the manner in which I behave or act. |
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Originally Posted by Ethereal I'm not sure it's quite that simple. I believe what the video was driving at, given the context, is that so long as my actions do not infringe on your life, liberty, or justly aquired property, you have no business asking others to forcefully dictate the manner in which I behave or act. | Which is a principle that in and of itself, both libertarians, moderates, and liberals would agree with. The problem is that it’s like fundamentalist religion for libertarians and thus pragmatism is cast aside even when reason calls for it. For example, taken to the extreme, such a philosophy prevents any sort of effective environmental protection. In fact, the only environmental protection it would allow for would be when the environmental damage is so several that an adjacent property owner could sue for damage to their property. It also precludes popular soverenity a principle necessary in any democracy. So yes, while everyone other than social and authoritarian conservatives would agree with the basic principle that your right to live your life the way you choose to extends so far as to not impede another individuals ability to do the same, most people (other than hard core libertarians) would also recognize that there is such a thing as a “commons”. |
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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 I thought Big L libertarianism are supposed to be against any utopia. Thats why they pretty much want anarchy; a lack of any utopia. | Their notion that society and the individual would be far better off without any form of government and or popular soverenity, is their notion of utopia. |
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