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Old 06-04-08, 11:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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For the sake of encouraging a would-be ideological ally I sure want to say I agree with you but there is still some ambiguity in your post. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult here.
Maybe it's confusing because I'm trying to argue a point I disagree with in order to exploit its flaws, lol. I'll put it simply.

Islam, the way it is written, denigrates promiscuity, right? Some people think that democracy leads to promiscuity. Their reasoning is that America has a promiscuous culture, and America is a democracy (this is obviously the fallacy of confusing correlation and causation). Therefore, these people will fallaciously come to the conclusion that Islam is not compatible with democracy.

I disagree. I think Islam IS compatible with democracy because I know that democracy is NOT A CULTURE. Democracy DOES NOT lead to promiscuity. Therefore, I can see no reason why Muslims could not be democratic.

HOWEVER, like I said, even if they were democratic, nothing is stopping them from electing tyrants. Therefore, I believe there is no American interest in Islamic countries adopting democracy since it will not change their culture. Their culture is what is dangerous and is what needs to be changed.
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Maybe it's confusing because I'm trying to argue a point I disagree with in order to exploit its flaws, lol. I'll put it simply.

Islam, the way it is written, denigrates promiscuity, right? Some people think that democracy leads to promiscuity. Their reasoning is that America has a promiscuous culture, and America is a democracy (this is obviously the fallacy of confusing correlation and causation). Therefore, these people will fallaciously come to the conclusion that Islam is not compatible with democracy.

I disagree. I think Islam IS compatible with democracy because I know that democracy is NOT A CULTURE. Democracy DOES NOT lead to promiscuity. Therefore, I can see no reason why Muslims could not be democratic.

HOWEVER, like I said, even if they were democratic, nothing is stopping them from electing tyrants. Therefore, I believe there is no American interest in Islamic countries adopting democracy since it will not change their culture. Their culture is what is dangerous and is what needs to be changed.
Thanks so much for helping me out!

I don't care for our society's increasing permissiveness, either!

Did you read the first part of the Peter Hammond excerpt I quoted?

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The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
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I believe that if the legal, political, economic and military components are separated from the religion of Islam then everyone will be able to practice the religion as they wish. Devoutly and literally and fundamentally or more tolerantly or in name only or not at all.

But there are some who say that if the legal, political, economic and military components are removed or separated from the religion it is no longer Islam.

And with that understanding I say that Islam and Democracy are incompatible.

Only with a depoliticized Islam will the world be safe to adopt the forms of governments of their choice.

The only choices that the USA has a problem with are those that will prove to be problems down the road. Dictatorships and radical Islamist governments.
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I say they most certainly are. Democracy is thrown around in such an irresponsible fashion that many people have a skewed perception of its actual intent.
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I say they most certainly are. Democracy is thrown around in such an irresponsible fashion that many people have a skewed perception of its actual intent.
Its actual intent?

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Thanks so much for helping me out!

I don't care for our society's increasing permissiveness, either!

Did you read the first part of the Peter Hammond excerpt I quoted?


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I believe that if the legal, political, economic and military components are separated from the religion of Islam then everyone will be able to practice the religion as they wish. Devoutly and literally and fundamentally or more tolerantly or in name only or not at all.

But there are some who say that if the legal, political, economic and military components are removed or separated from the religion it is no longer Islam.

And with that understanding I say that Islam and Democracy are incompatible.
Why? How do those things specifically restrict them from practicing democracy?
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Why? How do those things specifically restrict them from practicing democracy?
If anything, they would be close allies.

Majority rule = democracy (although im sure you are quite aware of this )

It is why our form of government (in regards to its actual intent) is superior to all other forms.

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My signature should say it all.
Boy, you sure make it difficult don't you?

Okay. Here's your sig.

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I say they most certainly are. Democracy is thrown around in such an irresponsible fashion that many people have a skewed perception of its actual intent.
So, you think Islam is compatible with ANY form of government other than an Islamic government?

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Boy, you sure make it difficult don't you?

Okay. Here's your sig.

So, let me change the question.

Do you think Islam is compatible with ANY form of government other than an Islamic government?
Democracy (as i have said before) is in many ways used as a tool to force "popular agenda". Democracy will most certainly lead to elective despotism.
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If you realize they are not compatible, then why do you support a permanent occupation?

I believe we will reach a point of semi stability in Iraq, regardless of who we elect.
But does McCain's plan not guarantee further terrorism and allow the real enemy to point to our occupation and use it as a recruiting tool?
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