Are Democracy & Islam Compatible? - Page 11

Vader · 06-17-08, 10:14 PM

In my view islam is the opposite of democracy. Of course, that may change and then this whole question will be moot!

PeteEU · 06-19-08, 07:40 AM

No Islam and Democracy are not incompatible.

True classic Conservatism and democracy are incompatible and since many Islamic states live in the dark ages where true classic conservatism rules supreme, then Democracy is near impossible.

When a people believe more in religious dogma, than the rule of law and logic, then democracy is impossible, period.

jallman · 06-19-08, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

No Islam and Democracy are not incompatible.

True classic Conservatism and democracy are incompatible and since many Islamic states live in the dark ages where true classic conservatism rules supreme, then Democracy is near impossible.

When a people believe more in religious dogma, than the rule of law and logic, then democracy is impossible, period.

You obviously have no understanding of what Conservativism actually is. When you learn the difference between Conservativism and Fundamentalism, come back and let us know.

GySgt · 06-19-08, 01:18 PM

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You obviously have no understanding of what Conservativism actually is. When you learn the difference between Conservativism and Fundamentalism, come back and let us know.

It's best to accept that his posts will always have an anti-American theme and ignore them.

PeteEU · 06-19-08, 01:23 PM

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You obviously have no understanding of what Conservativism actually is. When you learn the difference between Conservativism and Fundamentalism, come back and let us know.

Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favour tradition, where tradition refers to various religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs. It is difficult to define the term precisely because different cultures have different established values and, in consequence, conservatives in different cultures have differing goals. (Some conservatives seek to preserve the status quo or to reform society slowly, while others seek to return to the values of an earlier time, the status quo ante).

conservatism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

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1capitalized a: the principles and policies of a Conservative party b: the Conservative party2 a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

Encyclopedia - Britannica Online Encyclopedia

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Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

Seems you don't know what the word means, not me.

jallman · 06-19-08, 01:24 PM

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Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

conservatism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Encyclopedia - Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Seems you don't know what the word means, not me.

Seems you can't even read your own sources through your anti-American blinders. Gunny is right; this isn't worth it.

PeteEU · 06-19-08, 01:33 PM

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Seems you can't even read your own sources through your anti-American blinders. Gunny is right; this isn't worth it.

What anti americanism? Where have I even mentioned America?! '

All I am pointing out that conservatism in Islam is the reason that democracy is incompatible. And my links backs my claim up. That you cant accept it, is not my problem.

Conservatism is tradition in civil, religious and political lines and you can not tell me that Iran, Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic state is stuck in traditions founded 1400+ years ago. You cant tell me that the Islamic world is bustling in change in law, social order and what not. The conservative religious fanatics have the power and are fighting any change whatsoever.

The links say it plainly.

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Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favour tradition, where tradition refers to various religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs.

jallman · 06-19-08, 01:50 PM

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What anti americanism? Where have I even mentioned America?! '

All I am pointing out that conservatism in Islam is the reason that democracy is incompatible. And my links backs my claim up. That you cant accept it, is not my problem.

Conservatism is tradition in civil, religious and political lines and you can not tell me that Iran, Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic state is stuck in traditions founded 1400+ years ago. You cant tell me that the Islamic world is bustling in change in law, social order and what not. The conservative religious fanatics have the power and are fighting any change whatsoever.

The links say it plainly.

Except that there is a more appropriate term for the Middle East; Fundamentalism. But then, you already knew that and only wanted to make a slight against American conservatives. You are transparent and unimaginative in both your agenda and your rhetoric. You don't fool anyone. At all.

tfox_60 · 06-19-08, 04:14 PM

Islam is both belief and legislation which organizes all the relationships of man. Belief is the basis of the code of laws and the code of laws is the result of belief, for legislation without belief is a building without a foundation -- and belief without a code of laws to put it into effect would be merely theoretical and ineffective. Thus, in Islam there is an intimate interrelation between belief and the code of laws governing all conduct, and those who deny this can by no means be considered to be Muslims...
Islamic law has clearly stated the obligations of the Muslims in all areas of life and the penalties to be inflicted for offenses and irregularities...
Thus in Islam we find no distinction in community life between that which is called religious and that which is outside religion. In Islam religion is concerned with faith and worship, and also with the upbringing, education, and guidance of the people, and with all economic and social dealings as to those which are legitimate and illegitimate, sound or corrupt; and religion is concerned with the government of the people and the administration of state machinery, with the operation of all the functions of the community or nation.
Islam -- The Straight Path: Islam Interpreted by Muslims

Doc Howl · 06-19-08, 11:47 PM

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Except that there is a more appropriate term for the Middle East; Fundamentalism.

That term applies to plenty of conservatives, too.