For those who are afraid of guns - Page 22

scourge99 · 06-06-08, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmilesAndFrowns

What does being square have to do with anything?

Are you square for following the law?

This website has interesting insight InfoFacts - Marijuana

Marijuana Use - Heavy Marijuana Use Affects Learning, Social Skills

Both of these sight express how weed as a negative impact on the smokers mental and physical well being. To say, cancer, and self esteem issues. They also say out of the people who are employed users they have more accidents and are more likely to be tardy and to preform under the norm.

You claim that more pot smokers of jobs as a whole, well, someone has to work at Burger King. Honestly, just because you have a job doesnt really mean anything. Because if you work at BK as a cook, then you really arent proving that weed isnt hurting you ability to contribute. I guess if it shows anything, it shows the lack of drive, and proves by most peoples standards of being a "failure." But, any job is better then no job. Im really interested in the support for your claim of the Job claim.

When I get to a computer I'll fact check these sources. From the article it says heavy use is smoking 27 out of 30 days but does NOT say what quantity is smoked.

Additionally, NO ****! Anyone who smokes, drinks, lifts weights, watches TV, etc "heavily" is going to be retarded.
Before you reference errant and ambiguous articles why don't you post the RELEVANT details next time?

SmilesAndFrowns · 06-06-08, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge99

When I get to a computer I'll fact check these sources. From the article it says heavy use is smoking 27 out of 30 days but does NOT say what quantity is smoked.

Additionally, NO ****! Anyone who smokes, drinks, lifts weights, watches TV, etc "heavily" is going to be retarded.
Before you reference errant and ambiguous articles why don't you post the RELEVANT details next time?

Only one states that, and that is an extreme and it also so extreme results. The other just states there is a link between smoking weed and cancer, mental destress, etc.

I post entire articles, the whole of both articles and good information. All is relevant to the debate. Both articles discribe cause and effect of weed use in different aspects of someones give life. Honestly, you are attacking me for posting articles with linkings to other articles. Or are you going to say it bias? I cant say I have ever seen one single pro weed article that presents the opposit of what the one i posted stated. The only thing I have ever seen to give weed an application of use is for pain. I personally think thats crap, mainly because of the abundances of legal pain medications on the market.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 06-07-08, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

Well, remember, that the "citizenry at large" in cludes a huge lump of minors, and also a huge chunk of seniors, both of whom do not regularly work.

I recall reading a study that said pot smokers were employed more but I cannot "refind" it as fast as I had hoped.

Oh well, who gives a **** what squares say about pot anyway ?

I probably wouldn't buy the claims made by square researchers anyway, as they have a vested interest in portraying it as bad, while they slurp on the tit of a government makin money hand over fist on tobacco and alcohol taxes.

You can root for Rosco all you want, I'm on uncle Jesse's side.

My personal experience with potsmokers is that they almost always have jobs, so why would I listen to some square with a political axe to grind ??

"squares"?

Voidwar · 06-07-08, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SmilesAndFrowns

What does being square have to do with anything?

Are you square for following the law?

Yes, just like teetotallers were square during prohibition.

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Originally Posted by SmilesAndFrowns

Both of these sight express

Considering who they are, what else WOULD they tell me ?

They are anti drug and anti weed from the get go, so lets just say I'll need an extra large grain of salt with their conclusions.

scourge99 · 06-07-08, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiles and Frowns

Only one states that, and that is an extreme and it also so extreme results. The other just states there is a link between smoking weed and cancer, mental destress, etc.

I post entire articles, the whole of both articles and good information. All is relevant to the debate. Both articles discribe cause and effect of weed use in different aspects of someones give life. Honestly, you are attacking me for posting articles with linkings to other articles. Or are you going to say it bias? I cant say I have ever seen one single pro weed article that presents the opposit of what the one i posted stated. The only thing I have ever seen to give weed an application of use is for pain. I personally think thats crap, mainly because of the abundances of legal pain medications on the market.

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Originally Posted by scourge99

When I get to a computer I'll fact check these sources.

Ok, I did a little fact checking and I 'll start with your first link... InfoFacts - Marijuana

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Originally Posted by InfoFacts - Marijuana

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off. 2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.

So I looked up the article it references and guess what it says?Arch Gen Psychiatry -- Neuropsychological Performance in Long-term Cannabis Users, October 2001, Pope et al. 58 (10): 909

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In summary, our findings do not support the hypothesis that long-term heavy cannabis use causes irreversible cognitive deficits, at least at the level detectable with our test instruments and our sample size. However, in agreement with previous reports, we found evidence that heavy users exhibit some cognitive deficits lasting for many days, and possibly for weeks, after discontinuing cannabis use.

GO look up long term cognitive effects of alcohol. You may be surprised.

Now for the next paragraph.

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Addictive Potential
Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite its known harmful effects upon social functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2–3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation. 5

This says nothing if value. Marijuana is addicting?? Really... thats amazing who would of thought that something people do for recreation use is addicting.... the abstract of the article says:

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Individual symptom severity ratings were also of similar magnitude, except craving and sweating were slightly higher for tobacco.

So it appears marijuana in respects to addiction is actually less severe than smoking.

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Effects on the Heart
One study found that an abuser’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana. 7 The researchers suggest that such an outcome might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate (it increases both) and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

So the source says...
Triggering Myocardial Infarction by Marijuana -- Mittleman et al. 103 (23): 2805 -- Circulation

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Conclusions—Smoking marijuana is a rare trigger of acute myocardial infarction. Understanding the mechanism through which marijuana causes infarction may provide insight into the triggering of myocardial infarction by this and other, more common stressors.

How much more should I look into??? EVERY article shows the risks are extremely insignificant and less traumatic and addicting then currently LEGAL substances. Every source shows that your article is OVERSTATING what scientific research has concluded!r

The real question is why SHOULD marijuana be illegal? The question is NOT why should it be legal. Our liberty and rights that are not stated in the constitution are protected UNLESS a state or federal government can show some sort of compelling interest why they should be revoked or restricted. Given that alcohol and tobacco are legal and given that marijuana pales in comparisons to the longterm and short term negative effects of tobacco and alcohol and given that marijuana has NOT or ever will cause economic and social problems similar to opium use in China, I see no reason why it should be illegal.

Anything can be bad for you when it is used in excess. Such an argument for marijuana is not compelling given that its addictive qualities are nothing remotely close to heroin or opium. The negative effects of marijuana are drastically overstated.

NOTE: I spent about 10 minutes fact checking these sources. I ask that next time before you post links to paraphrased scientific research you take the time to fact check it yourself.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 06-07-08, 02:35 PM

This thread is about guns, not weed.

Personally I could care less what you do with your self. if you want to smoke that crap all the more to ya.

Same should be said about me owning evil black rifles.

scourge99 · 06-07-08, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

This thread is about guns, not weed.

Personally I could care less what you do with your self. if you want to smoke that crap all the more to ya.

Same should be said about me owning evil black rifles.

True, but the thread was dead by the time weed was mentioned.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 06-07-08, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge99

True, but the thread was dead by the time weed was mentioned.

That is because the idea of "gun control" is a morally bankrupt ideal.

TurtleDude · 06-08-08, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Sometimes a bigger hammer is needed.

Besides the facts:

1. they are fun

2. they are nothing but cosmetically different than non "assault weapons" not functionally.

Let's start there.

Because 100s local, state and federal goverment agencies have determined that "assault weapons" are useful to the point of issuing them to their CIVILIAN employees so that these civilians employees may protect themselves from criminals in an urban or municipal environment

Since our wise leaders have already stated that such weapons are proper for the protection of CIVILIAN employees in an urban environment I follow their lead and I arm myself with high capacity semi automatic handguns, shotguns and Armaliite M4 and Arsenal 5.56mm "assault weapons" to protect myself from the same thugs civilian law enforcement agents worry about.